Moderation (moved from zone)

Rufus · #1 10-14-2008, 01:31 AM

I just took a glance at the staff groups and as I don't really visit this section of the forum (like most) and I didn't notice until now that there are five moderators for this one section. I'm either confused or missing something here, I didn't think this area was that popular?

Nataxo · #2 10-14-2008, 01:40 AM

we're hard to deal with...

and yup, Zone is dam popular, i <3 its originality.

jkool666 · #3 10-14-2008, 01:41 AM

Vulcan never moderates anything really lol.
Dante/Dan are admins, they should have moderation rights.
I use mine mostly for sticking and unsticking threads related to events. I myself just hate having to ask and wait for someone else to do something simple like stick and close a thread. I moderate things when its obvious they need be moderated.
Supernanny does most of the actual moderation of peoples posts, making sure no one breaks rules and what not.

Darlene159 · #4 10-14-2008, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

I just took a glance at the staff groups and as I don't really visit this section of the forum (like most) and I didn't notice until now that there are five moderators for this one section. I'm either confused or missing something here, I didn't think this area was that popular?

Does it matter? Zone seems to be the forum that needs the most moderation lately.

Rufus · #5 10-14-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Does it matter?

WELL YES LMAO BECAUSE WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE MODERATORS IN FORUMS WHICH USED TO BE ALIVE BUT NOW ARE NOT. caps

Darlene159 · #6 10-14-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

WELL YES LMAO BECAUSE WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE MODERATORS IN FORUMS WHICH USED TO BE ALIVE BUT NOW ARE NOT. caps

??
you answered your own question?

Rufus · #7 10-14-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

??
you answered your own question?

What was my question?

jkool666 · #8 10-14-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

What was my question?

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Originally Posted by Rufus

I'm either confused or missing something here, I didn't think this area was that popular?

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Originally Posted by Rufus

WELL YES LMAO BECAUSE WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE MODERATORS IN FORUMS WHICH USED TO BE ALIVE BUT NOW ARE NOT. caps

So we should moderate what needs not be moderated. How does adding more moderators increase how "alive" a forum is? :S. Anyway, I told you why the 5 of us have moderation rights, except Vulcan who probably doesn't really need them xD.

Darlene159 · #9 10-14-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

What was my question?

*Sigh*
Doesn't matter how many mods there are to a forum as long as they are being moderated. I dont see the problem here, nor do I see why it needed a thread.

Rufus · #10 10-14-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

*Sigh*
Doesn't matter how many mods there are to a forum as long as they are being moderated. I dont see the problem here, nor do I see why it needed a thread.

Well hey pal.. that doesn't matter.. because I don't see why there needed to be 5 moderators so I guess we're both confused here!

I feel as though there's a rather laughable mess in the priorities on this forum. The graphics forum has 0 moderators, and hasn't had one for quite a while. When we did have a moderator there who knew what he was talking about and encouraged activity, that forum did well and we seen some rising stars surface. The forum is now used to showcase work, which is not exactly development. I find it hilarious how hard it is to get some decent moderators appointed, yet we've got the small Zone forum with five of them.

Elizabeth · #11 10-14-2008, 02:00 AM

immm with rufus on this.

jkool666 · #12 10-14-2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

Well hey pal.. that doesn't matter.. because I don't see why there needed to be 5 moderators so I guess we're both confused here!

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Originally Posted by jkool666

Vulcan never moderates anything really lol.
Dante/Dan are admins, they should have moderation rights.
I use mine mostly for sticking and unsticking threads related to events. I myself just hate having to ask and wait for someone else to do something simple like stick and close a thread. I moderate things when its obvious they need be moderated.
Supernanny does most of the actual moderation of peoples posts, making sure no one breaks rules and what not.

^ how to un-confuse you.

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Originally Posted by Rufus

I find it hilarious how hard it is to get some decent moderators appointed, yet we've got the small Zone forum with five of them.

So basically this is you admiting that you've posted a thread that has virtually nothing to do with Zone and is just complaints about lack of moderation on other forum sections...

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

*Sigh*
Doesn't matter how many mods there are to a forum as long as they are being moderated. I dont see the problem here, nor do I see why it needed a thread.

It doesn't, not in the Zone section anyway.

Rufus · #13 10-14-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jkool666

So basically this is you admiting that you've posted a thread that has nothing to do with Zone and is just complaints about lack of moderation on other forum sections...

No, I asked why this forum needs 5 people to moderate it.

Elizabeth · #14 10-14-2008, 02:04 AM

*this small section of the forums

jkool666 · #15 10-14-2008, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

No, I asked why this forum needs 5 people to moderate it.

And after you recieved your answer you kept posting about it. Right.

DustyPorViva · #16 10-14-2008, 02:06 AM

Why is the moderation so hostile?

Rufus · #17 10-14-2008, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jkool666

And after you recieved your answer you kept posting about it. Right.

I don't really see how what you posted was a viable reason for the amount of moderation that this forum has and Moon Goddess replied to what I said with a really irrelevant point, and generally on forums when somebody replies to you (unrelated or not) you reply back.

jkool666 · #18 10-14-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

I don't really see how what you posted was a viable reason for the amount of moderation that this forum has.

None the less, it answers your question.

Nataxo · #19 10-14-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

I don't really see how what you posted was a viable reason for the amount of moderation that this forum has.

i think he made himself preety clear...

Elizabeth · #20 10-14-2008, 02:12 AM

okay, why does a very small section of the forums need 5 moderators?

the whole development section as rufus said has no moderators whatsoever, but yet we have 5 for one subforum?

this doesnt make sense to me.

jkool666 · #21 10-14-2008, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth

okay, why does a very small section of the forums need 5 moderators?

the whole development section as rufus said has no moderators whatsoever, but yet we have 5 for one subforum?

this doesnt make sense to me.

You'll find the answer as to why the 5 moderators have their moderation rights on the 3rd post of this thread.

Rufus · #22 10-14-2008, 02:15 AM

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None the less, it answers your question.

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i think he made himself preety clear...

Can either of you please explain to me how "Vulcan never moderates anything really lol." justifies the need for five moderators? What about the administrators, why aren't they moderating the forum by themselves, after all it's a tiny area of the forum and doesn't exactly take a huge amount of effort to spot "bad" posts? How about the stickying of events, I mean how does that even make sense when you've just posted some rules and stuck them up? I see no problem with Supernanny he does a good job, but again why is there a need for five moderators of this forum section?

It's not as though it's supplying to meet a demand, and that is what seems to be the logic in it. Supplying to meet a demand, where as other forums are neglected for no reason.

jkool666 · #23 10-14-2008, 02:32 AM

Rufus, if you have a problem with...
...Me using moderation rights for Event Purposes and moderating posts.
...Dante/Dan useing moderation rights for Administion purposes and moderating posts.
...Supernanny using moderation rights to moderate posts.
Then forum PM Darlene.

The purpose of this thread seems to be you trying to point out that other sections of the forums don't have enough moderation.

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"Vulcan never moderates anything really lol." justifies the need for five moderators?

Well I never said it needs 5 moderators, I just gave you the reasons as to why we had rights.

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except Vulcan who probably doesn't really need them xD.

Rufus · #24 10-14-2008, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jkool666

Rufus, if you have a problem with...
...Me using moderation rights for Event Purposes and moderating posts.
...Dante/Dan useing moderation rights for Administion purposes and moderating posts.
...Supernanny using moderation rights to moderate posts.
Then forum PM Darlene.

The purpose of this thread seems to be you trying to point out that other sections of the forums don't have enough moderation.

Well I never said it needs 5 moderators, I just gave you the reasons as to why we had rights.

I don't have a problem with any the moderators of this section individually, I just don't see why there is a need for five of them when other sections have none. Why is this so hard to grasp?

Gambet · #25 10-14-2008, 02:38 AM

Since when was it the job of a moderator to keep the forums alive? The community keeps the forums alive, the moderates simply moderate the posts for content that stretches the bounds of the forum rules. You're linking the inactivity of the forums to a lack of moderation, which is like comparing apples to oranges--it doesn't make any sense. If a certain section of the forums isn't active, then it doesn't need moderators.

Does this section need 5 moderators? No. Does it make a difference? No.

The moderators of this section of the forums have nothing to do with any other part of the forums, so if you'd like to see moderators added to other parts, then you're going about it completely wrong. Besides, again, your reasons for wanting moderation are invalid, for that is not the job of a moderator.

If you want other parts of the forums to become active again, then start posting in those sections. There's no point on sticking moderators in sections of the forums that receive little to no posts on a daily basis.

Vulcan · #26 10-14-2008, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nataxo

we're hard to deal with...

Too ****ing true.

jkool666 · #27 10-14-2008, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Does this section need 5 moderators? No. Does it make a difference? No.

Rufus your question has been answered, I've told you why we have our moderation rights. I'm closing the thread, its in the wrong spot of the forums anyways.

Sam · #28 10-14-2008, 09:50 AM

I don't think we need to close this thread. I've moved it to the main forum.

Zone has 5 moderators and I don't see any problem why not. The zone forum is an active forum and it had always a lot of spam and flame threads/posts. The GK forums also have many mods (for every kingdom e.g.).
We have moderators for almost dead forums like Bomy Island (one mod) or New Scripting Engine (3 mods).
What's the problem having 5 moderators as long as they doing their job? I appreciate it, if server staff is also moderator staff and being able to make a forum active.

Luda · #29 10-14-2008, 09:55 AM

Can "Graphic Design" have 5 moderators too? :]

thesmoothcriminal · #30 10-14-2008, 12:30 PM

5 moderators, few posts.

you know the graal mods are doing there job

Inverness · #31 10-14-2008, 02:26 PM

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Rufus your question has been answered, I've told you why we have our moderation rights. I'm closing the thread, its in the wrong spot of the forums anyways.

You're like the government that doesn't want its citizen's questioning why it has more powers than it should.

Crono · #32 10-14-2008, 03:13 PM

I'd prefer 1 quality moderator who interacts with 'his' community and efficiently does his job to 5 moderators, two of which are trigger happy, one inactive, and other two only needing it for event purposes.

The Zone forum alone does not need 5 moderators.

jkool666 · #33 10-14-2008, 05:46 PM

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You're like the government that doesn't want its citizen's questioning why it has more powers than it should.

Rufus has had his questioned answered two or three times. This thread did not belong in the Zone section when he began to show that the point of his thread was to point out the lack of moderation in other sections of the forums.
And I don't have more powers then I should, I have powers neccessary for doing my job quickly :S.

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Originally Posted by Rufus

WELL YES LMAO BECAUSE WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE MODERATORS IN FORUMS WHICH USED TO BE ALIVE BUT NOW ARE NOT. caps

^ Whats this?

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The Zone forum alone does not need 5 moderators.

No, but that fact that it has 5 doesn't effect other areas of the forums, anybit what-so-ever. Personally I don't see the point in having to Forum PM Dan or Darlene for something as simple as sticking important Zone information.

Errm..

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Does this section need 5 moderators? No. Does it make a difference? No.

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

*Sigh*
Doesn't matter how many mods there are to a forum as long as they are being moderated.

Crono · #34 10-14-2008, 05:52 PM

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No, but that fact that it has 5 doesn't effect other areas of the forums, anybit what-so-ever. Personally I don't see the point in having to Forum PM Dan or Darlene for something as simple as sticking important Zone information.

It doesn't have to effect other areas of the forums, anybit what-so-ever. Personally I don't see the point in having 5 moderators of one small forum. I would go into detail but I'd have to start bringing up names.

Sam · #35 10-14-2008, 05:58 PM

The question is not does zone need 5 moderators, but should server staff like managers or admins be able to moderate the related forum.
There is nothing wrong with these moderators (I am not up to date about Vulcan these days, but I am sure he is also still doing something on zone).

jkool666 · #36 10-14-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

It doesn't have to effect other areas of the forums, anybit what-so-ever. Personally I don't see the point in having 5 moderators of one small forum. I would go into detail but I'd have to start bringing up names.

And I fail to see negativity in having 5 moderators for a forum, when...
2 use their rights to moderate or post important Zone information, and the other 2 are administrators and should have the rights anyway.
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except Vulcan who probably doesn't really need them xD.

The only thing that seems to be pointed out is that other sections have no moderators, while Zone has 5.

Errm..

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Does this section need 5 moderators? No. Does it make a difference? No.

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

*Sigh*
Doesn't matter how many mods there are to a forum as long as they are being moderated.

Crono · #37 10-14-2008, 06:16 PM

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And I fail to see negativity in having 5 moderators for a forum, when...
2 use their rights to moderate or post important Zone information, and the other 2 are administrators and should have the rights anyway.
.....

It's unprofessional to have that many on such a small forum, let alone unqualified ones. Vulcan is no longer part of Zone and hasn't been for a year or two now, on top of that he is a bit inactive. Supernanny is very trigger-happy and has deleted a lot of posts that I found acceptable. Dante & yourself don't need to be moderators although I do prefer you two over the other 3.
Administrators don't need the rights and shouldn't have them anyway, so that puts Dan aside.
.....

jkool666 · #38 10-14-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

It's unprofessional to have that many on such a small forum, let alone unqualified ones. Vulcan is no longer part of Zone and hasn't been for a year or two now, on top of that he is a bit inactive. Supernanny is very trigger-happy and has deleted a lot of posts that I found acceptable. Dante & yourself don't need to be moderators although I do prefer you two over the other 3.
Administrators don't need the rights and shouldn't have them anyway, so that puts Dan aside.
.....

I see, I guess I just don't agree that its unprofessional since I'd say we're all qualified. Its not really rocket science to be a moderator.

Supernanny isn't trigger happy at all, I'd consider myself more "trigger happy" then he is. But neither of us are "trigger happy" theres just a butt load of posts that need moderation on Zone.

Theres no reason Administrators shouldn't have moderation rights. If they can be trusted with rights that could potentially destroy Zone, they can be trusted with rights to delete a post or stick a thread...

Sam · #39 10-14-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

It's unprofessional to have that many on such a small forum, let alone unqualified ones. Vulcan is no longer part of Zone and hasn't been for a year or two now, on top of that he is a bit inactive. Supernanny is very trigger-happy and has deleted a lot of posts that I found acceptable. Dante & yourself don't need to be moderators although I do prefer you two over the other 3.
Administrators don't need the rights and shouldn't have them anyway, so that puts Dan aside.
.....

It doesn't matters how "small" a forum section is, but how active!

Thank goodness, you have no say in that matter!

Crono · #40 10-14-2008, 06:33 PM

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I see, I guess I just don't agree that its unprofessional since I'd say we're all qualified.

LOL OK.

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Supernanny isn't trigger happy at all

Yes, he is.

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Theres no reason Administrators shouldn't have moderation rights. If they can be trusted with rights that could potentially destroy Zone, they can be trusted with rights to delete a post or stick a thread...

You didn't give me a reason why they should have moderation rights.

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It doesn't matters how "small" a forum section is, but how active!

Are you honestly going to tell me that one or two capable moderators are not enough for one forum section? If your answer is yes then the problem must lie with the people who appoint these moderators to begin with and the unqualified moderators they chose.

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Thank goodness, you have no say in that matter!

Elaborate.