Graal News

[bef]

Graal News' official website is back; www.graalnews.net

Go have a look, register and what have you.
It's not complete but it's almost there.
Thanks alot.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by bef

Graal News' official website is back

The term 'official' is redundant at best and misleading at worst.

[zell12]

I doubt you should be in charge of anything official. You keep quitting, saying that GraalNews is no more, then you come back... Just make up your mind, and stop calling this "official" like Kamuii said. ;o

Not like Fox News or CNN say they are the "official" news station of the USA...

[Splke]

I really have to wonder, how many people care anymore?

[Spark910]

Originally Posted by zell12

I doubt you should be in charge of anything official. You keep quitting, saying that GraalNews is no more, then you come back... Just make up your mind, and stop calling this "official" like Kamuii said. ;o

Run to the hills!
Good to see it back I guess, although I hate sites that say LOG IN LOG IN LOG IN LOG IN TO SEE THIS PAGE. There is no real reason to restrict users like that, you haven't got any high bandwidth consuming downloads like videos that you'd not want people to hit and run you with.

[Inspiration]

Cool now bef will stop PMing everyone 15 times a day ingame asking for donations.

[Splke]

Originally Posted by Spark910

you haven't got any high bandwidth consuming downloads like videos that you'd not want people to hit and run you with.

Or does he?! Maybe that's a perk to being a member, free Graalian pr0n ;)

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Inspiration

Cool now bef will stop PMing everyone 15 times a day ingame asking for donations.

I have no interest in Graal news because of that....quite annoying.

[bef]

I don't think I've ever quit Graal News since I founded it in 1999...

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by bef

I don't think I've ever quit Graal News since I founded it in 1999...

No better time to start than the present, I always say!


But honestly, what exactly is the purpose of this? Almost everything "news worthy" is announced, and talked about, on these forums. There is a News section here, and on the main site, and nearly every server has their own site with news and forums.

Furthermore, a large amount of the people I've seen hired for your "News Publication" are people very likely to report highly biased "news", aimed to attack people they dislike. I have seen such things first hand.

You were incapable of supporting your own project without PMing everyone on every server 10 times a day for a week asking for donations.

Why is anyone to believe this is a worthwhile or credible project?

[KuJi]

Hosting is as cheap as 2.50$ a month and as high as 400.00$ or more. :o

I pay 80.00$

He probally begs for donations then like uses 5$ of it for site and takes the rest of the money and enjoys himself.

[Googi]

Hey I never heard back from you about my awesome reviews.

[Mitch]

Unless recognized by the graal administration, it isn't considered to be official. Although I like the site and what your trying to do you might want to try contacting unixmad or stefan and ask them about some form of advertising.

[Evil_Trunks]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Unless recognized by the graal administration, it isn't considered to be official. Although I like the site and what your trying to do you might want to try contacting unixmad or stefan and ask them about some form of advertising.

It already is recognized by the graal administration. I mean, he moderates the whole Graal Online News > News Posting forum section!

[James205]

yeah lets all tell him how pointless he is for trying to make a graal news website and putting some effort! See what happens when someone tries to do something around here, you all just come here and tell them that nobody cares. Not suprising though.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by James205

yeah lets all tell him how pointless he is for trying to make a graal news website and putting some effort! See what happens when someone tries to do something around here, you all just come here and tell them that nobody cares. Not suprising though.

For the most part yes, however it is moreover up to the person who runs the project to continue with it, update etc. so things like this won't happen.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by James205

yeah lets all tell him how pointless he is for trying to make a graal news website and putting some effort! See what happens when someone tries to do something around here, you all just come here and tell them that nobody cares. Not suprising though.

I'd have no issue with it if he ran it in even a semi-professional manner. This is, however, not at all the case.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by James205

See what happens when someone tries to do something around here, you all just come here and tell them that nobody cares

Do you even know this guy? Don't make such sweeping generalisations when you don't even know the full story.

[zell12]

Originally Posted by bef

I don't think I've ever quit Graal News since I founded it in 1999...

Umm you made a post before saying you were leaving and Graal News was no more or something like that. :/


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Hmm, mabey it was a post saying that you were comming back and graal news got some new fangled .com site, that never lasted too long. But anyway, same thing.

[bef]

Thankyou Mitch for the complement on the site, and Googi we did discuss the brilliance of your disney land/world review

and Kaimetsu, Like you know the full story mate..? It's highly likely James205 knows me alot better than you.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by bef

Thankyou Mitch for the complement on the site, and Googi we did discuss the brilliance of your disney land/world review

No, I'm talking about my Valikorlia review.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by bef

and Kaimetsu, Like you know the full story mate..? It's highly likely James205 knows me alot better than you.

He's acting from either bias or ignorance. Either way, the community reacts negatively toward you because of who you are. It's not just a customary response to somebody making an effort.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally Posted by zell12

Umm you made a post before saying you were leaving and Graal News was no more or something like that. :/

Why raz bef about quitting? Kaimetsu left the forums, then said he'd only post in threads that talked about him, and look at him now. I don't see anybody razzing him for, let's say... gracing, the forums with his presence.

If bef provides genuinely interesting content then he will have visitors, if he doesn't, then he won't. I don't see a need to make all these excuses why you won't go take a look, or assumptions that it isn't well done. If you DO go look, and have a criticism, I'm sure he'd be interested to know (AKA Spark's post).

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Kaimetsu left the forums, then said he'd only post in threads that talked about him

Neither is true. When I quit from supermod, I said that I'd probably stop posting on the forums. I didn't even say that it would be a long-term thing; at no point did I say that I had "left".
And my signature only displayed my policy at the time of use. Nowhere did it make predictions about the future.

I advise that you stop letting grudges mar your ability to comprehend simple English.

Besides that, I am not a site. I am not an item of entertainment or education. I don't advertise myself or ask for donations. Projects are not the same as people.

I don't see a need to make all these excuses why you won't go take a look

"Excuses"? Because you feel that we are morally obligated to look at his site? Or did you just use the word because it felt more disparaging, regardless of its suitability? I repeat my earlier advice.

If you DO go look, and have a criticism, I'm sure he'd be interested to know (AKA Spark's post).

Okay. Bef: You suck at writing, and you're nowhere near mature enough to be involved in an official project.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Bef: You suck at writing, and you're nowhere near mature enough to be involved in an official project.

Addition!

Bef: You're unable to support your own project without help. You have no journalistic integrity, nor do any of the people you hire for your publication. You fail to provide a real purpose or reason for your project, besides to elevate your status in the community, that makes this project worthwhile and useful to the community as a whole.

[Evil_Trunks]

The reason bef gets bashed is because he is a completely idiotic person. I don't even know how many times I've seen him begging for real life money to support Graal News, or begging people to give him some in game items because he owns Graal News.

[James205]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

He's acting from either bias or ignorance. Either way, the community reacts negatively toward you because of who you are. It's not just a customary response to somebody making an effort.

What are you talking about? None of that was biased or ignorant. For the most part the website wasn't the most professional thing to ever happen to graal but there were many people who contributed to graal news. It goes back to 2k1 and then it died. He's been trying to bring it back for a while.

Everytime someone tries to do something different one graal its a negative response unless they are well known in the graal community.

[Snakeandy7]

He also hacks, he speed hacked on Era.

[bef]

Originally Posted by Evil_Trunks

The reason bef gets bashed is because he is a completely idiotic person. I don't even know how many times I've seen him begging for real life money to support Graal News, or begging people to give him some in game items because he owns Graal News.

begging people to give me stuff in a game because I own graal news? doubtful...

and yes I did speedhack on era, and yes I did notify Stefan of this.

I don't understand the purpose of your personalised bashings towards myself and members of Graal News and Graal News itself for that matter. If anyone has any actual founded reason to negatively view apon Graal News then please say so.

Let me add, asking for people to contribute a few dollars has absolutely nothing to do with how well I manage Graal News; all it does is shoes that yes, I am a kid and no, I don't have money.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by bef

begging people to give me stuff in a game because I own graal news? doubtful...

Oh really?

[HoudiniMan]

It would seem all the members of the #gscript clique are incapable of offering any constructive advice for improvement.

No surprise there...

[Mitch]

I'm sure the majority of them with a few exceptions, have there hands tied, some just don't support graal news x_X.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

It would seem all the members of the #gscript clique are incapable of offering any constructive advice for improvement.

I believe we've all pointed out his flaws, and why we believe he is unfit for such a thing. Obviously, what he must do is correct said flaws to improve.

Listing things he does wrong, and then listing the opposite of them so he knows how to "improve" is rather redundant.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by James205

What are you talking about? None of that was biased or ignorant

My claim is that you are biased and/or ignorant. The result is what we've seen: an assumption that the negative reaction to bef is purely a result of him trying to do something positive.

For the most part the website wasn't the most professional thing to ever happen to graal but there were many people who contributed to graal news

So what? Graal would still be better without it.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

It would seem all the members of the #gscript clique are incapable of offering any constructive advice for improvement

Haha. Dude, even if you make the laughable assertion that we're some kind of hive mind, you can't instantly invalidate all of our criticisms.

Also, I don't think I've seen you offer any constructive advice. What's the difference? The simple fact is that bef isn't capable of properly operating a project such as this. Nuggets of wisdom won't change that. The only way Graal News can realistically improve is to get a new set of staff. That's my constructive advice.

Originally Posted by bef

I don't understand the purpose of your personalised bashings towards myself and members of Graal News and Graal News itself for that matter. If anyone has any actual founded reason to negatively view apon Graal News then please say so

Uh, yeah. Already did. You have sub-standard writing skills and you don't cover anything interesting.

[Shiftk03-]

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

It would seem all the members of the #gscript clique are incapable of offering any constructive advice for improvement.

No surprise there...

You want constructive criticism from us? Give us something worth criticising. It has nothing to do with being in any clique. I common that channel practically everyday, yet if I were to make a Graal News site, pester people non-stop for donations (whether they be for the site or personal gain), I could bet I'd get the same lashings. Pull your head out of your dilly-o. THE RABID CLIQUE HAS SPOKEN.

[bef]

The nature of this thread was to make aware that Graal News' site has returned.

Don't have such blatent disregard for somebodies intellect and then critisise them of being too immature..

I challenge you to actually give Graal News a chance, don't make accusations until you've given us a few weeks to have the site running a gem.

How's about a bet? Shall we say by the strike of May, if the general consensis is that Graal News' site is ineffective of its aim; I shall resign. And if the general consensis is that Graal News' site is effective in achieving its aim, Kaimetsu must admit that he has nothing on anybody and really all his bravado stems from his self insecurities.

-- Edit

I know it may seem stupid and petty to gamble something I've worked on for the cause of degrading another. So before your agreement I am withdrawing this bet. It was foolish of me to do such a thing.

I will revise and resubmit a challange to those who oppose myself, graal news and myself as the owner of graal news.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Haha. Dude, even if you make the laughable assertion that we're some kind of hive mind, you can't instantly invalidate all of our criticisms.

Might want to ease off the Star Trek there Kai. I wasn't implying a hive mind, I was implying a few flashy people and a lot of fans of those people agreeing without any real reason to complain.

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Also, I don't think I've seen you offer any constructive advice.

Nor am I the one complaining about his website... He said it's a work in progress, so why would anybody expect it to be all shiny and perfect.

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

What's the difference? The simple fact is that bef isn't capable of properly operating a project such as this. Nuggets of wisdom won't change that. The only way Graal News can realistically improve is to get a new set of staff. That's my constructive advice.

If you aren't willing to help, fine. It doesn't mean you have to rain on other people's parades. If you think it's hopeless, don't follow it, don't read his website, and don't flame him in his own thread.

I think this community could stand to hear far less negative viewpoints from you.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Might want to ease off the Star Trek there Kai

Psst. The term 'hive mind' is not a Star Trek reference. It's a reference to a real phenomenon that occurs in - wait for it - bee hives! The fact that you'd only heard it used in one particular TV show is really just a product of your fabulous ignorance.

I wasn't implying a hive mind, I was implying a few flashy people and a lot of fans of those people agreeing without any real reason to complain

Haha, yes, yes. We all suck because we talk on IRC. However, it's an ad hominem. You can't argue against our criticisms, so you insult us instead. Might work in kindergarten, but not here.

Nor am I the one complaining about his website...

That's a separate issue. You can admonish me for criticising him if you want, but you can't accuse me of being unhelpful if you haven't helped either.

If you aren't willing to help, fine

Uh, yeah. See above.

I think this community could stand to hear far less negative viewpoints from you

Jeez, man. When are you gonna get over it? Your entry on the list isn't so damning.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by bef

Don't have such blatent disregard for somebodies intellect and then critisise them of being too immature..

Disregard for your intellect? Dawg, you can't use that until you've shown that you actually have any.

I challenge you to actually give Graal News a chance

I'm not judging Graal news. I'm judging the person running it.

How's about a bet? Shall we say by the strike of May, if the general consensis is that Graal News' site is ineffective of its aim; I shall resign. And if the general consensis is that Graal News' site is effective in achieving its aim, Kaimetsu must admit that he has nothing on anybody

Don't be an idiot. If your site were a blatant failure - which is the necessary condition for me to 'win' - then your resignation would be a natural and beneficial response. It's hardly much of a forfeit, and certainly not comparable to the kind of unwarranted self-deprecation you'd demand from me. Counter-example: If Graal News isn't a success, you admit that you have no talent, intelligence or creativity, and that you only started the site because you wanted attention and possibly donations from naive Graalians. Meanwhile, if it does succeed, I have to say "Oh. I am surprised". Seem fair?

[Darlene159]

If the site is worked on alot, and fills with content about PW's, and is updated often, it could do well....