Rudora

Spark910 · #1 03-17-2003, 11:04 PM

Yeah we have taken longer than we should have, we ''in an ideal world'' should be out now. But we have had problems. But were getting there its mostly scripting. Heres our improvments:

Overworld: 400% Increase
Levels: 600% Increase
Script: 2000% Increase

I know its annoying as other PWs have been rushed open, but were coming along great. But some great scripters on the team are busy alot of the time so they cant give it their full. But the other staff is working fine, and anyone of the PWA or GM/Admin in general is welcomed to PM me for a tour or information.

-Spark911

Damn, someone move me (sorry)

Devil · #2 03-17-2003, 11:06 PM

Atleast you're getting work done, not just releasing too early and become a 3 playerbase PW, all RC's.

Spark910 · #3 03-17-2003, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by Devil
Atleast you're getting work done, not just releasing too early and become a 3 playerbase PW, all RC's.

Yeah thats the general Idea. Anyway Nem seemed fairly cool with it, as the PWA team is all in his hands so hes keeping the PW thing to a low at the moment.

Devil · #4 03-17-2003, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910

Yeah thats the general Idea. Anyway Nem seemed fairly cool with it, as the PWA team is all in his hands so hes keeping the PW thing to a low at the moment.

Yeah well he's hella busy...like it's been mentioned before, but you guys should be out soon right?

Spark910 · #5 03-18-2003, 12:03 AM

Yeah not soon soon as in 14days, But im putting a MAX on about 6 weeks. Four weeks for devleopment and finishing it. One for fixing bugs, and one incase we go over it.

I know it sounds like a long way from now, but its not. And were living without Rudora open as it is.

Devil · #6 03-18-2003, 12:43 PM

Mmm, I still think that's a long time considering how long you've already been up.

Mykel · #7 03-18-2003, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by Devil
Mmm, I still think that's a long time considering how long you've already been up.

yea, they have been up on private forever.

adam · #8 03-18-2003, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910

Overworld: 400% Increase
Levels: 600% Increase
Script: 2000% Increase

Are those increases based on quality or quantity?

tlf288 · #9 03-18-2003, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by adam

Are those increases based on quality or quantity?

Has a server that used % to show progress of individual parts of their server ever based those %s on quality?

Devil · #10 03-18-2003, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by Mykel
yea, they have been up on private forever.

Yeah seriously, I think they've had quite long enough.

CasanovaCanavi · #11 03-18-2003, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by Devil

Yeah seriously, I think they've had quite long enough.

I second that.. :o

Devil · #12 03-18-2003, 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by CasanovaCanavi

I second that.. :o

The same goes for the other private servers aswell, Doragon Koden has been up for like god knows how long.

Spark910 · #13 03-18-2003, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by tlf288

Has a server that used % to show progress of individual parts of their server ever based those %s on quality?

1.) Yes both
2.) Well no point opening up now, like you said Brett, were not ready no point other than to become a 3 playerbase PW as we would have to develop still
3.) Yeah we have had a long time, but it will be worth it, and I can guarantee we are better than alot of the PWs that have opened since Private.
4.) DK is opening reasonably soon, at about same time as us, we need time to be good and a reasonable location for players
5.) If you are banned on Rudora, let me know, I'll unban you.

Devil · #14 03-18-2003, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910

1.) Yes both
2.) Well no point opening up now, like you said Brett, were not ready no point other than to become a 3 playerbase PW as we would have to develop still
3.) Yeah we have had a long time, but it will be worth it, and I can guarantee we are better than alot of the PWs that have opened since Private.
4.) DK is opening reasonably soon, at about same time as us, we need time to be good and a reasonable location for players
5.) If you are banned on Rudora, let me know, I'll unban you.

Sounds good, hurry up

G_yoshi · #15 03-19-2003, 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910

1.) Yes both
2.) Well no point opening up now, like you said Brett, were not ready no point other than to become a 3 playerbase PW as we would have to develop still
3.) Yeah we have had a long time, but it will be worth it, and I can guarantee we are better than alot of the PWs that have opened since Private.
4.) DK is opening reasonably soon, at about same time as us, we need time to be good and a reasonable location for players
5.) If you are banned on Rudora, let me know, I'll unban you.

Where did you hear that I was opening up anytime soon? I've never defined a time and date nor will I till I am confident in what I have accomplished. For me to even try to open up with in the next 2-3 months would be a disaster! And rushing me will only drive me away because I want things to be of a excellent quality and thoroughly tested before I even begin to think of unlocking my doors. Whoever told you such lies is incompetent because there's no way I can open up not even now. Not even half of what I need completed is done or ready.

Spark, you must be smoking some weed or something. If I make a date or something when I will be "ready" I won't be. So rather than do that then keep pushing it back, you and everyone else will have to sit patiently and wait for me to give a more definite time period. Chances are, I'm not going to say much of anything until I actually open up. I don't nor can I work 24/7 on my PW. I have a job and other things to do plus I'd get burnt out so quick that I'd loathe even coming to these forums. I do things in spurts and they can be short or they can be long depending upon my level of interest. Wind Waker will be out soon so don't expect to see much information on my PW. At least, not for a long while that is.

MadWolf · #16 03-19-2003, 12:41 AM

I look forward to seeing the new rudora. I remember the first time I played it when it came out it had a nice community. Too bad it sank because of nothing to do. Good luck.

Devil · #17 03-19-2003, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by G_yoshi

Where did you hear that I was opening up anytime soon? I've never defined a time and date nor will I till I am confident in what I have accomplished. For me to even try to open up with in the next 2-3 months would be a disaster! And rushing me will only drive me away because I want things to be of a excellent quality and thoroughly tested before I even begin to think of unlocking my doors. Whoever told you such lies is incompetent because there's no way I can open up not even now. Not even half of what I need completed is done or ready.

Spark, you must be smoking some weed or something. If I make a date or something when I will be "ready" I won't be. So rather than do that then keep pushing it back, you and everyone else will have to sit patiently and wait for me to give a more definite time period. Chances are, I'm not going to say much of anything until I actually open up. I don't nor can I work 24/7 on my PW. I have a job and other things to do plus I'd get burnt out so quick that I'd loathe even coming to these forums. I do things in spurts and they can be short or they can be long depending upon my level of interest. Wind Waker will be out soon so don't expect to see much information on my PW. At least, not for a long while that is.

I still think you should have released by now, look how long you've had, a time period should be brought in so you can't stay up for months ;/

G_yoshi · #18 03-19-2003, 01:14 AM

A foolish move it would be. I've always been understaffed or if I've had staff, most are not with the program and are very fickle. I'm left pretty much to do all the work myself. I've gotten bursts of help along the way and I'm very thankful for it too. A good PW cannot be completed in 6 months or less. That is the problem with many that are available to the public. They do a rush job just so they can get it out there. That is very dumb and very inefficient.

Its like cooking a pizza. If you don't give it enough time, it will be all doughy. And by the same token, giving it too much time it will be burned. I'm sorry, but you do not have any authority to say whether or not I've had enough time. If you want my PW to be top-notch then you will wait patiently. I know what goals I need to reach but the length of time needed to reach those I do not know nor can know because life is full of unexpected events. Things would move quicker if I had more qualified staff. I have some now, but not enough. Mostly in the graphics department as well as some in the NPC department. Those are where I hurt the most.

Darlene159 · #19 03-19-2003, 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by G_yoshi
A foolish move it would be. I've always been understaffed or if I've had staff, most are not with the program and are very fickle. I'm left pretty much to do all the work myself. I've gotten bursts of help along the way and I'm very thankful for it too. A good PW cannot be completed in 6 months or less. That is the problem with many that are available to the public. They do a rush job just so they can get it out there. That is very dumb and very inefficient.

Its like cooking a pizza. If you don't give it enough time, it will be all doughy. And by the same token, giving it too much time it will be burned. I'm sorry, but you do not have any authority to say whether or not I've had enough time. If you want my PW to be top-notch then you will wait patiently. I know what goals I need to reach but the length of time needed to reach those I do not know nor can know because life is full of unexpected events. Things would move quicker if I had more qualified staff. I have some now, but not enough. Mostly in the graphics department as well as some in the NPC department. Those are where I hurt the most.

Is it up in private? I thought there was a 2 week limit on private servers now, they forced frolic up

Devil · #20 03-19-2003, 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by Darlene159

Is it up in private? I thought there was a 2 week limit on private servers now, they forced frolic up

Months, it's been up for months.

PrinceDark · #21 03-19-2003, 03:45 AM

Hey G_Yoshi it's not weed it's crack, k.

Well som staff on was smoking crack when they did this. (see attachment)

Angel forced all those other playerworlds to go public. She really did make an impact on some. (a bad one for them, but good for the community).

G_yoshi · #22 03-19-2003, 03:50 AM

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Originally posted by PrinceDark
Hey G_Yoshi it's not weed it's crack, k.

Well som staff on was smoking crack when they did this. (see attachment)

Angel forced all those other playerworlds to go public. She really did make an impact on some. (a bad one for them, but good for the community).

Well, whatever he was smoking he needs to stop. Its giving him very distorted illusions.

Devil · #23 03-19-2003, 03:54 AM

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Well, whatever he was smoking he needs to stop. Its giving him very distorted illusions.

Why the hell should you be up more than anyone else, rules apply to everyone, you're no more special than any other person here ;/

G_yoshi · #24 03-19-2003, 04:33 AM

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Why the hell should you be up more than anyone else, rules apply to everyone, you're no more special than any other person here ;/

Perhaps...perhaps not. What one is doing and the size of it does have an impact on such things. You do realize this, yes? Care to explain to me how you would take care of filling out 2048+ terrain levels? Its a slightly annoying process at times to plop down all the NPCs especially in the meticulous fashion that I want them to be in. But I do it because I enjoy doing it and wish to share part of my world with everyone.

If you must know, I used to be open, but then I changed project plans. I could open my doors, but there's nothing for anyone to do

This isn't your run-of-the-mill PW. This isn't the same mediocre mess that the majority of the other playerworlds are. This world is going to be an organized RP world. Players will get some say in the direction in which things will move after what I want to do is done with. This includes development as well as the first few stories that I will be working on and will be casting players for specific characters and roles. After those are done, then players will be given choices on how and what will be the next stories and such. For the most part, it will be non-linear RP. The story part will be done once a week; probably on a Saturday since I have that day off from work unless I have a mandatory work day that day (extra pay++!!!)

*edit*
Its like with console games. For example, Nintendo has a history of running for a while with many games in development. Would you want them to release a game they are working on when its only half done? Full of nasty bugs and gliches as well as maybe nothing to really do? They work on thier projects till they are satisfied with thier efforts. The same applies for me and I'm no where near satisfied because I do not have anything that I want made directly available that does not meet my standards.

Soul-Blade · #25 03-19-2003, 01:40 PM

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The same goes for the other private servers aswell, Doragon Koden has been up for like god knows how long.

Doragon Koden is well worth the wait. Wow, I saw some of it...it looks great. I was amazed. It will be worth the wait, trust me.

Soul-Blade · #26 03-19-2003, 01:52 PM

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I still think you should have released by now, look how long you've had, a time period should be brought in so you can't stay up for months ;/

Graal players...are being stupid.

You people are used to the low quality stuff we have up know. The standards are so low, you cannot handle these upcoming PWs. PWs shooting for quality to that of, or greater then, NW. For those who don't know, NW was going to be of greater quality then GK. Graal has yet to see a great PW, but many are being developed...and they take time. Unlike what we have now, alot of thought, planning, and developement talent is required. Things must be done precisely, and it is difficult to find a person who understands this. So it is difficult to find good workers on Graal, because they do not understand what upcoming PWs are shooting for. They understand this unorganized garbage up right now. Well, I think Doragon Koden is one of the revolutionary PWs for graal. It will higher the standards, and expectations of players. He needs more time, but you people don't understand that, because you think it should be far. Well, it shouldn't. Doragon Koden has a much better chance of being great then PWs like Frolic, which is no doubt why Stefan leaves it private. It should continue that way, regardless what ignorant individuals say.

Just let the developers make the game, while players player the game. What servers under developement are of no concern to players, and should not be complained about. We are not paid, alot of times we work, so you have not the right to complain.

Personally, I appreciate what G_Yoshi is doing, and I cannot wait, however long it takes, for him to share what he has thought up. It looks great so far, and no doubt will look superior when complete.

CasanovaCanavi · #27 03-19-2003, 02:44 PM

Is Rudora like Era or something? Is there a site or person that can tell me about Rudora?

Devil · #28 03-19-2003, 03:39 PM

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Is Rudora like Era or something? Is there a site or person that can tell me about Rudora?

Erm, I hope it's not like Era....

CasanovaCanavi · #29 03-19-2003, 04:18 PM

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Is Rudora like Era or something? Is there a site or person that can tell me about Rudora?

People are calling it Era #2... o.O?

Devil · #30 03-19-2003, 04:36 PM

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People are calling it Era #2... o.O?

Who, what, where, when, how???????

Spark910 · #31 03-19-2003, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by PrinceDark
Hey G_Yoshi it's not weed it's crack, k.

Well som staff on was smoking crack when they did this. (see attachment)

Angel forced all those other playerworlds to go public. She really did make an impact on some. (a bad one for them, but good for the community).

About the phones, they are not phones anymore, it was the basic part of a different script and they were amde into phones just to test the communication times between the reciving and sending units.

People are calling it Era #2... o.O?
Are they? I dont think so, and if they do its their opinion. But its nothing like any of the PWs. Rudora has not been lost in the mesh of crowded levels, forced Role-Playing and useless systems.

Also about the phones, other PWs had them before, I belive DK had them, so if we did have phones (which we dont) we would be copying DK not Era. And if were getting that picky, Alexander Graham Bell is the start of the phone so its not copying, but anyway we dont have phones, so yeah.

Last of all Rudora failed because of the following reason. Fox, the first owner of Rudora started making it when he was broed of graal, and when Stefan put Rudora up for him he was no longer intrested in Graal, hence the lack of updates, and so there was nothing to do at all and so people got bored and let.

We are aiming to become a great community offering the old feel of graal with the great things every PW lost in the eveloution to have out of this world over the top systems. We are finishing bits up and getting final ideas started so that there will be enough for people to do.

CasanovaCanavi · #32 03-19-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910

About the phones, they are not phones anymore, it was the basic part of a different script and they were amde into phones just to test the communication times between the reciving and sending units.

People are calling it Era #2... o.O?
Are they? I dont think so, and if they do its their opinion. But its nothing like any of the PWs. Rudora has not been lost in the mesh of crowded levels, forced Role-Playing and useless systems.

Also about the phones, other PWs had them before, I belive DK had them, so if we did have phones (which we dont) we would be copying DK not Era. And if were getting that picky, Alexander Graham Bell is the start of the phone so its not copying, but anyway we dont have phones, so yeah.

Last of all Rudora failed because of the following reason. Fox, the first owner of Rudora started making it when he was broed of graal, and when Stefan put Rudora up for him he was no longer intrested in Graal, hence the lack of updates, and so there was nothing to do at all and so people got bored and let.

We are aiming to become a great community offering the old feel of graal with the great things every PW lost in the eveloution to have out of this world over the top systems. We are finishing bits up and getting final ideas started so that there will be enough for people to do.

It sounds like it's gonna be awesome. Good Luck with it.

Mykel · #33 03-19-2003, 08:38 PM

Yoshi, as you may know, I have been a HUGE supporter of yours for some time. But, Devil is 100% completely correct. Yes, it takes time to make a good PW, but no, you should not get a Private server for longer than anyone else, the same with Rudora.

adam · #34 03-19-2003, 09:56 PM

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Yoshi, as you may know, I have been a HUGE supporter of yours for some time. But, Devil is 100% completely correct. Yes, it takes time to make a good PW, but no, you should not get a Private server for longer than anyone else, the same with Rudora.

Personally I think they should give them as long as they require as long as they are making significant progress while they are private. It's not like thier going to be sitting there doing nothing.

Or be smart about it and make 2 area's. what your working on and a preview of what your working on.

Just warp people to the preview :-(

G_yoshi · #35 03-19-2003, 11:03 PM

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Personally I think they should give them as long as they require as long as they are making significant progress while they are private. It's not like thier going to be sitting there doing nothing.

Or be smart about it and make 2 area's. what your working on and a preview of what your working on.

Just warp people to the preview :-(

Lets be logical and efficient here. I cannot just come up with two areas one for play and one for development. That involves time and energy which needs to be focused on development and not trying to appease players. There is a possibility that once I get more of the overworld filled out, I might allow people on. This is not a promise just a possibility so don't get all frustrated when I don't open my doors a little.

As for spark and the phone thing I could care less

It was just something for fun and to learn how to mess with db NPCs. Besides that phones just don't fit in too well with a medival time period very well.

Devil · #36 03-20-2003, 06:48 AM

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Originally posted by adam

Personally I think they should give them as long as they require as long as they are making significant progress while they are private. It's not like thier going to be sitting there doing nothing.

Or be smart about it and make 2 area's. what your working on and a preview of what your working on.

Just warp people to the preview :-(

No way, people shouldn't get special treatment over others, this sadly applies to Koni aswell...I'll stick by this until I'm showed otherwise

Darlene159 · #37 03-20-2003, 04:24 PM

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No way, people shouldn't get special treatment over others, this sadly applies to Koni aswell...I'll stick by this until I'm showed otherwise

I agree....if they are going to make a rule for how long servers are allowed in private, the rule should apply to everyone.
As it stands now, some servers were made to go public before they were ready, and will probably fail....while others are allowed to remain in private that have been there a long time.

Spark910 · #38 03-20-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Darlene159

I agree....if they are going to make a rule for how long servers are allowed in private, the rule should apply to everyone.
As it stands now, some servers were made to go public before they were ready, and will probably fail....while others are allowed to remain in private that have been there a long time.

I belive the time was judged on how much the PWs have improved. PWA staff came on and looked around, if they felt it was impoving then of course more time is an obvious thing to do as it will be worth it on release.

Other PWs that have not improved as much were opened early as it was obvious they were not going to improve enough no matter how much time they have.

And about Koni its like NW (they process not the server) as Stefan feels it is good enough and could/probably will be a gold server so he isnt rushing it.

And what medieval period? He was saying things about Rudora not DK

Devil · #39 03-20-2003, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910

I belive the time was judged on how much the PWs have improved. PWA staff came on and looked around, if they felt it was impoving then of course more time is an obvious thing to do as it will be worth it on release.

Other PWs that have not improved as much were opened early as it was obvious they were not going to improve enough no matter how much time they have.

And about Koni its like NW (they process not the server) as Stefan feels it is good enough and could/probably will be a gold server so he isnt rushing it.

Yeah, that's Oasis, not Rudora, or Doragon Koden.

Spark910 · #40 03-20-2003, 05:18 PM

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Yeah, that's Oasis, not Rudora, or Doragon Koden.

I dont understand your comment, are you suuggestion only Oasis has improved?