Ban Reasoning?

Termina_Owner · #1 02-18-2004, 03:50 AM

Say... I am working on a server. However...

The server I am making is a strict-RP realm. I want it strict seeing as most of the stuff will have a direct effect with everything. So being, to get rid of non-RPers, is it "acceptible" by the people to ban people just because they don't RP? Such as I'd mention in the Terms thatif you DO go on the server, that you agree that during the tiem being ON the server, you MUST roleplay, and follow strict Roleplaying guidelines. (Not just simple guidelines as Using double brckets to mention that the text is OOC, but also that all your actions have a justification as to the player himself in reason of his acts).

To prevent some people being "power-houses", I've totally abolished the leveling system, as in, you won't level up as a Fighter, or as a Priest on my server. The server itself will be based on COMMUNITY. Saying so, if you murder someone, then the player "dies" untill some respawn time is set, or untill someone ressurects the person. If the person murders someone, and doesn't have a justification, then he: Gets imprisioned by players, or gets banned for not RPing (if reason isn't there).

Imprisonment would be basically... When you die, you have your corpse on the floor, and the players can drag the player into cells, thus creating the possibility of kidnapping the King.

Anyhow, Is is ACCEPTIBLE to ban someone on an strict RP server because they didn't follow the indicated terms?

I'm asking this to prevent myself from recieving email from people I don't know saying it's not acceptible by the community to ban someone whom doesn't know how to read terms.

Damix2 · #2 02-18-2004, 03:51 AM

Err PlayerWorld forum?

Termina_Owner · #3 02-18-2004, 03:53 AM

Gah.. Didn't think of it. Barely go there, forgot it existed. O.o.

ZanderX · #4 02-18-2004, 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by Termina_Owner
Gah.. Didn't think of it. Barely go there, forgot it existed. O.o.

Oh well, because that's where it's headed right this instant.

Spark910 · #5 02-18-2004, 12:37 PM

I think alot of players do not understand RP rules enough so banning would be annoying on both their an my part. If you explain rules well enough then I think you'd be fine to just have some jail syste, and not a ban as such. And in the jail maybe say why they are not allowed to play for a set time and what rule was broken so they can get to know the rules.

WanDaMan · #6 02-18-2004, 01:37 PM

Make the rules stand out clearly and then inforce ban if they don't follow them, there chance..

ZeLpH_MyStiK · #7 02-18-2004, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by WanDaMan
Make the rules stand out clearly and then inforce ban if they don't follow them, there chance..

Ditto use a bunch of showtext's with color red and huge zooming, and make it zoom in and out...they should get the message xD

WanDaMan · #8 02-18-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by ZeLpH_MyStiK

Ditto use a bunch of showtext's with color red and huge zooming, and make it zoom in and out...they should get the message xD

Should but some don't

Spark910 · #9 02-18-2004, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by WanDaMan
Make the rules stand out clearly and then inforce ban if they don't follow them,

I dont like bans for not following RP. I think a lock down like a jail so they can't do anything for a set period is much better.

protagonist · #10 02-18-2004, 07:46 PM

In my opinion it'd depend on how many times they screwed up. I mean, obviously, if they have a list of 5+ offences, they simply don't care to follow the rules and probably will ruin it for the people who do.

VeX_RaT_Boy · #11 02-18-2004, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by protagonist
In my opinion it'd depend on how many times they screwed up. I mean, obviously, if they have a list of 5+ offences, they simply don't care to follow the rules and probably will ruin it for the people who do.

I agree. It should be like first a warning, then next time jail for 1 day, then 1 week. If they still don't follow the rules, they should be banned.

That's at least what I think.

Darlene159 · #12 02-18-2004, 09:32 PM

Some people really want to role-play, but just arent good at it at all, it would be a shame to eventually ban such people just because they screw up alot un-knowingly. I agree with Spark

Thak2 · #13 02-18-2004, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by Termina_Owner

Imprisonment would be basically... When you die, you have your corpse on the floor, and the players can drag the player into cells, thus creating the possibility of kidnapping the King.

I made something like that once.

On the new bravo that was once being worked on, with the three kingdoms (not the newer era-y bravo).

If someones health was really low, and on an opposing Kingdom tag, you could catch them in a net and capture them. Which would send them to a dungeon.

The jail could either be broken into, and you get rescued, or you could dig your way out with an old spoon (which took a long time).

It worked out pretty awesomely and good, and would like to see something like that on another server.

I think it would work good on Kingdoms itself even.

konidias · #14 02-18-2004, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by Darlene159
Some people really want to role-play, but just arent good at it at all, it would be a shame to eventually ban such people just because they screw up alot un-knowingly. I agree with Spark

If they can't roleplay, they should stop playing roleplaying games. If you think that is harsh, then you're mistaken. Roleplaying takes serious commitment, and players that aren't any good, can totally ruin the roleplaying experience for others.

My opinion on non-RPers... you should lock them up in a looney bin on your server. Seriously. Like, if some guy in medieval times, was ranting about pwning some newbie and worshipping Tupac, they would lock him away. You should have an RP solution for your RP problem. Anyone that is not roleplaying can just be seen as a lunatic.

WanDaMan · #15 02-18-2004, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910

I dont like bans for not following RP. I think a lock down like a jail so they can't do anything for a set period is much better.

Ah yeah, I see. That's much better, I was banned on valikorlia for a year or something for my name as !Wan no warning either

konidias · #16 02-18-2004, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Termina_Owner
Say... I am working on a server. However...

The server I am making is a strict-RP realm. I want it strict seeing as most of the stuff will have a direct effect with everything. So being, to get rid of non-RPers, is it "acceptible" by the people to ban people just because they don't RP? Such as I'd mention in the Terms thatif you DO go on the server, that you agree that during the tiem being ON the server, you MUST roleplay, and follow strict Roleplaying guidelines. (Not just simple guidelines as Using double brckets to mention that the text is OOC, but also that all your actions have a justification as to the player himself in reason of his acts).

I just wanted to point out... you shouldn't be commanding people to roleplay. Nobody wants to be so scared to mess up that they don't even play your server. You should encourage roleplaying instead of enforcing it. What I mean, is like, instead of demanding that people stay in character at all times, you should build your world and gameplay so that they won't feel the need to be out of character. If your world isn't immersive and easy to roleplay in, don't expect people to roleplay that well. You're setting up some extremely high standards for the players on your server, I'm just saying, you're gonna need to have even higher standards yourself to make that work.

MarkB · #17 02-18-2004, 10:12 PM

I hate these strict RP servers. Boring anymore.

Qwert616 · #18 02-18-2004, 10:18 PM

If that is the type of community you are striving for, then I don't see why there is a problem. You just need to be responsible when issuing these bans.

davidpsy · #19 02-18-2004, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by WanDaMan

Ah yeah, I see. That's much better, I was banned on valikorlia for a year or something for my name as !Wan no warning either

I dont have any problems on val seeing as how my name is a normal one...

SlikRick · #20 02-18-2004, 10:52 PM

How do you expect players to learn to roleplay if they are trying to learn and not doing a good job than you just ban them because they don't meet your servers high standars? That's just gonna be more of a reason for people not wanting to play on your server because they will be scared if they screw up they are gonna be banned from the whole server? Why not do what Val did and just let them go OOC as long as they have that somewhere in their nick?

Personally I think scrit roleplaying servers suck.

G_yoshi · #21 02-18-2004, 11:03 PM

I don't agree with demanding players RP. Like Konidias said, it should be encouraged. Doragon is a non-linear RP server and there will be things to do. I'm not going to try and force players to be 'in-character' when the world is being made for players to forge thier own paths. Only those who want a story to play through or be part of will probably take interest in the story event.

I agree with Konidias on the Asylum idea. But that only works for those who don't necessarily behave. I like the idea of putting boutines on thier heads instead

It gives some players a goal in the game. I'd love to read about something that falls close to being like Vash the Stampede

davidpsy · #22 02-18-2004, 11:20 PM

The day you force strict rules upon leasure is the day that leasure dies.

Termina_Owner · #23 02-18-2004, 11:23 PM

Strict RP. Erm...

People whom want to play RP wise, I'd mostly understand them, however, players whom says "lolith" because we speak in a differant fashion of our time shouldn't be there. I want a strong RP community, however I don't want, and refuse to have powerhouses. The player himself should stay in character the whole time playing, whereas PMs wouldn't really matter. Anything that talks to more then a person would in that matter.

As for new players who want to roleplay, I WILL encourage them, however, if they are a disturbance to the server as a part or whole, then I'd have no choice.

For jails, I'm thinking not having a "jail", basically, the jail situation is for when you want the player to be able to talk to admins only. Though, the situation isn't much better.

For RP-Jails, I'm thinking more that they need "keys", or special gear to break out. Thus, you could have a player-made "Save the King from the Rebellians" Adventures.

For warnings... I think a warning is enough, however, supplied with the ban would be the website (having the term in which they voilated), aswell as my email for contact.

Such as:
Term 3: Disturbanyce of enviroment
[email protected]

Such notes would tell the player what he did wrong, along with a way to contact me if he apologizes and/or ban time expired.

For ban time, I'm more strict with bans.
1 week first violation
1 month second
1 year thrid
10 years fourth
Permenent Fifth

Though, for someone who is TRYing to roleplay, I'll just tell them to be more careful. I want a server whom actually roleplays, however if they non-RPers cause a distraction in the RPing world..

A solution which a friend mentioned would be making a non-RP world, in which when the players have violated the RP terms, they are banned in that island...

Another thing, should a player decide his name at the start of the game? And... When you meet someone, should they be nameless, unless you name him something? (You don't know him untill he actually tells his name, which you'd be able to record)

I doubt whether there is a definite way of choosing, thus I want to know what the people would think best.

Qwert616 · #24 02-19-2004, 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by SlikRick
How do you expect players to learn to roleplay if they are trying to learn and not doing a good job than you just ban them because they don't meet your servers high standars? That's just gonna be more of a reason for people not wanting to play on your server because they will be scared if they screw up they are gonna be banned from the whole server? Why not do what Val did and just let them go OOC as long as they have that somewhere in their nick?

Personally I think scrit roleplaying servers suck.

Yes, people will be banned. However, I don't think Rance is going to come hammering down once someone accidentally mispells something.

The manager is apparently looking for a rather hardcore group of players to have a fully immersive world. This could possibly cause a severe drop in players, but it's Rance's decision.

Termina_Owner · #25 02-19-2004, 03:35 AM

Erm... I'm just looking for less power-houses players. If that means a drop in players, then so be it. However, I think the way I made the system, the power-houses won't be easily made, thus lowering the power-houses by that fact.

I just wanted to know if it would be acceptible, as in, not too much complaints. However, to think of it, I think that making an entire new island for those whom don't want to RP and isolating them there would be fair enough.

If the player decides that he wants to RP, then I could arrange him something. Maybe making him go on a trial, about a couple of days, where the person should do a great improvement. Then again, my goal isn't to get the most playercount. My goal is really to make the best community.

dlang · #26 02-20-2004, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by konidias

If they can't roleplay, they should stop playing roleplaying games. If you think that is harsh, then you're mistaken. Roleplaying takes serious commitment, and players that aren't any good, can totally ruin the roleplaying experience for others.

Yea and, exactly how are they supposed to get any better if they get banned because they mess up on somthing small.

Termina_Owner · #27 02-21-2004, 05:57 AM

I'll stress more on people who aren't WILLING to roleplay.

SlikRick · #28 02-21-2004, 07:21 AM

Personally I think a player should be allowed to go OOC because what if they are just interested in doing something and don't wish to be bothered with massive guild messages? The most common thing would be to go OOC but with these rules in place you're basically telling them that RP is the most important part of the server which in fact RP is not the most important factor on any server. You have to have a strong server if you wish to have a strong RP community. You should lighten up tho on the bannings tho. 10 year ban for screwing up 4 times? That seems a bit outragus to me. But maybe I'm the only person that feels that way -_-

Termina_Owner · #29 02-21-2004, 08:20 AM

10 years... Erm... Mainly to prevent people from continuously mess things up... If he didn't understand the first time, nor the second, and nor the third, then I'd be fed up of him and wouldn't want to see him there.

As of that, I repeat, the person is not WILLING to RP, or cooperate. As for OOC, erm... I wouldn't mind it, aslong as they don't mess up OOC with IC, or mess other ICs with thier OOC. Remember... The players won't have names, therefore, you wouldn't be able to identify whether a player is IC or OOC. I could make it so that they have a sign on top of thier head, saying that they are OOC. That would arrange that problem.

SlikRick · #30 02-21-2004, 08:24 AM

Well you gotta understand that there are players who take a long time to learn stuff...such as myself. It takes some people longer to learn things than others because something is screwed up in their brain and it's not their fault so they shouldn't be penelized for something they have absolutally no control over.

Termina_Owner · #31 02-21-2004, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by SlikRick
Well you gotta understand that there are players who take a long time to learn stuff...such as myself. It takes some people longer to learn things than others because something is screwed up in their brain and it's not their fault so they shouldn't be penelized for something they have absolutally no control over.

Are you saying your retarded? :P

Take it this way: I award people whom do good with RPing.

SlikRick · #32 02-21-2004, 09:35 AM

Am I retarded? No. But I do have learning disabilities and I was in special ed when I was in school....not the special ed where kids smack themselves all the time and drool. The one where you have trouble learning in a normal classroom enviroment. Call me retarded if you wish but it will not bother me because I infact know that I am not...Besides do the think a "retard" would know how to correctly spell alot of words without somebodies help?

Termina_Owner · #33 02-21-2004, 09:40 AM

Not quite. I wouldn't qualify you a "retard", but the way you said things aobut your learning difficulties made you look so.

Anyhow, I'll think of what was said here... Try to make something that would be both encouragement for RPers, and discouragement for Non-RPers... I'm off to bed.

SlikRick · #34 02-21-2004, 09:46 AM

What I would suggest is build your server around the RP system that you wanted but just be a little more leniant for those of us that aren't quite as fast as the rest on picking up on things. =)

Darlene159 · #35 02-21-2004, 03:50 PM

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Well you gotta understand that there are players who take a long time to learn stuff...such as myself. It takes some people longer to learn things than others because something is screwed up in their brain and it's not their fault so they shouldn't be penelized for something they have absolutally no control over.

RP'ing is a hard thing for me to learn also, I played Val some a long time ago, but I was harrassed so bad because I didnt know what I was doing and noone was willing to help. I have been playing Kingdoms, but I am still very much un-sure as to what to do RP wise (Dont see alot of RP'ing going on I guess), so I just walk around killing stuff, and buying stuff, lol
I disagree with making harsh rules for RP such as banning. I would agree if a person was just running around pking people all the time, made a point of showing he isnt going to RP and just disrupt the server, had repeated warnings for it, had been jailed multiple times for it, and so on....It would be very frustrating for a person who really wants to learn, but is having alot of difficulties doing so, to constantly be warned for doing something wrong. Maybe there should be a class or something on the PW that teaches non-rp'ers how to RP. You could make it so they have to reach a certain knowledge of RP'ing before they can rejoin the RP community.
I just dont think people should be punished for not being good at something, they deserve the chance to learn if they really want to....

dlang · #36 02-21-2004, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by Darlene159
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Whoa, couldn't have said it better myself =)

I agree absolutly.