Operation Crisis Deletion

Xloria · #1 11-09-2003, 06:07 PM

Someone on my staff with a level 4 rc has deleted everything from the playerworld "Operation Crisis" aswell as taken my level 4 rights from both my ownership accounts Xloria and Admin-Playerworld75 account to bring the server back up. Which is 2 globally effenses which should result in globally banning. So can a global please come on the rc and put the rights back also when I will I will be able to tell who did it by looking in the logs.
Thank you.

Scott · #2 11-09-2003, 06:10 PM

That's what you get for giving out un-needed rights.

Thallen · #3 11-09-2003, 06:28 PM

Do you guys just want to get people globally banned?
"yoyo do you want to be co-manager of my server with lvl4 rites, MR. HACKER102?"
:o

marcoR · #4 11-09-2003, 07:25 PM

"Hey man I'm making this 1337 server, oh what's that you say? you're a *****? oh that's ok! here take this lvl4 RC! I doubt I'll even IP protect it!"

Scott · #5 11-09-2003, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by marcoR
"Hey man I'm making this 1337 server, oh what's that you say? you're a *****? oh that's ok! here take this lvl4 RC! I doubt I'll even IP protect it!"

I was helping out there a while ago, and I was looking at the RCs and I found four Level4 RCs without IP ranges. I removed them from staff ops and took away the rights, and warned Xloria and MD not add staff without an ip range. Ofcourse through out the course of a week I find the same RCs added withe same rights and no ip range. Fools.
(I quit because they cant grasp the concept of a staff structure x,x)

Darlene159 · #6 11-09-2003, 07:29 PM

*Sigh*
Will people ever learn?

Scott · #7 11-09-2003, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by Darlene159
*Sigh*
Will people ever learn?

When they experience the bull**** first-hand. Like I said in my previous post, I had warned Xloria before.

Milkdude99 · #8 11-09-2003, 07:34 PM

First off how many people did you give lv4 RC? If this person is smart enough to do this to you, isn't it a logical assumption he also deleted any log references to himself/herself? It will of course still show them logging out but the rest could have been deleted so there will be no proof other than what is on the master logs of Graal. Limit your PW to just one Lv4 RC (yours) with all the rights and you will not have this problem.

Added: Since you are under development there is no need for more than one Lv4 RC period. Rights to change accounts, server options and the like are only needed by the Owner/Manager till such time you are going to be visible, then and only then should you have more than one Lv4 RC and only by a most trusted person on Staff. It is my opinion you should never have more than 2. Servers with more than 2 Managers are just asking for trouble in more ways than one. Asst. Managers should not have the same rights as the Managers, another problem I know of that goes on. Think before you put your PW in jeopardy, use common sense when administering rights. If your IP ranges have not been put in as suggested , then it may not have even been someone of your Staff. The rule for IP ranges was made for a good reason and I strongly suggest you follow it in the future.

Xloria · #9 11-09-2003, 08:05 PM

Thanks Milkdude. I appreciate the brainless comments from the rest of you but this form was opened for either a playerworld admin to respond, global or a person with a suggestion about how to get it back.

DustyPorViva · #10 11-09-2003, 08:08 PM

Don't post in a public forum and expect only certain people to respond.

That is was forum PMs are for.

Xloria · #11 11-09-2003, 08:11 PM

But you are in a form incorrect there is no possible way to delete a log without someone knowing you didnt because a log appears that you deleted the log. And i cannot find out who did it because the person took my rw to logs/*.txt

Although im pretty sure that they will get globally banned for 1. Trying to overthrow the owner(s) of the server and 2. Deleting copy righted material unauthorized by the owner or without global permission. The material on Operation Crisis was copyrighted by cyberjuniors.

Darlene159 · #12 11-09-2003, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by Xloria
But you are in a form incorrect there is no possible way to delete a log without someone knowing you didnt because a log appears that you deleted the log. And i cannot find out who did it because the person took my rw to logs/*.txt

Although im pretty sure that they will get globally banned for 1. Trying to overthrow the owner(s) of the server and 2. Deleting copy righted material unauthorized by the owner or without global permission. The material on Operation Crisis was copyrighted by cyberjuniors.

Yes, it will be logged as to who deleted the stuff, I believe.... MG was giving advice that you would do well to take. Good luck.
If you didn't want other people to comment on this issue, you should have sent a private forum PM to Spark

davidpsy · #13 11-09-2003, 09:03 PM

This is why I dont give my staff rights to change other rc rights nor ban rights. Sure the worst they could do is deleat the levels but I make copys of everything weekly.

Nick1988 · #14 11-09-2003, 09:35 PM

Sorry, but you shouldn't be trying to manage a project if that kind of stuff happens. If your going to give someone so many powers you should at least know you can trust them.

Scott · #15 11-09-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by Xloria
owner(s)

There cannot be two owners. -_- Owner=Person who pays the PW rent fee.

Milkdude99 · #16 11-09-2003, 10:17 PM

They may not have touched the logs at all and it will clearly show who did it , they can however delete exactly what they did and all the logs will show is they deleted something. This is done by deleting the entire log, all it will show then is they deleted the log not all what they deleted. True this in itself is a Global banning offense but it still won't show they did anything other than that. Limit log access to only yourself or only give read rights (r) and not read, write rights (rw) in this way only you can alter any log files. The only reason someone would alter the log is in what I used to do on a monthly basis to keep the log file smaller and able to find something easier, rename it to that month and year, the server will automatically make a new one to replace the one you just renamed. This makes the log more manageable to view something on it if you do it by month and year. (Example: 11-01-2003) I did this at the first day of each month, then if you needed to look up something on the log it is much easier to do other than looking thru 100's or 1000's of entries.

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Originally posted by Scott

There cannot be two owners. -_- Owner=Person who pays the PW rent fee.

It is possible to have more than one pay for a server, thus 2 Owners. I would advise against such a thing because of the obvious but it can be done.

ETD · #17 11-09-2003, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by Darlene159

If you didn't want other people to comment on this issue, you should have sent a private forum PM to Spark

I haven;t seen spark on AIM in like 2 or 3 weeks... and he isn;t responding to my forum PM's either...

(partly posting this to hope that Spark sees...)

Milkdude99 · #18 11-09-2003, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by ETD

I haven;t seen spark on AIM in like 2 or 3 weeks... and he isn;t responding to my forum PM's either...

(partly posting this to hope that Spark sees...)

I will relay the message for you , I see him almost everyday on Aim. This may be due to the fact that some of us do use SNs not known to everyone.

matt8891 · #19 11-10-2003, 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by Xloria
Someone on my staff with a level 4 rc has deleted everything from the playerworld "Operation Crisis" aswell as taken my level 4 rights from both my ownership accounts Xloria and Admin-Playerworld75 account to bring the server back up. Which is 2 globally effenses which should result in globally banning. So can a global please come on the rc and put the rights back also when I will I will be able to tell who did it by looking in the logs.
Thank you.

Are you sure it was Golbez??

Python523 · #20 11-10-2003, 12:49 AM

The title isn't owner... why call it owner? They don't own the space they have, they are renting it.

Gambet · #21 11-10-2003, 01:10 AM

Theres not much you can do about this whole thing with a staff deleting your server. Its been happening lately because of idiots who get bored and decide to delete everything. Theres no way to prevent this from happening besides right restriction, thats the only way. Everythings gone so unless you had back-ups, you will have to start over. A global staff can get on and give you your rc and rights back but thats pretty much all they can do for you. They cant magically make everything reappear.

Milkdude99 · #22 11-10-2003, 01:36 AM

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Originally posted by Gambet
Theres not much you can do about this whole thing with a staff deleting your server. Its been happening lately because of idiots who get bored and decide to delete everything. Theres no way to prevent this from happening besides right restriction, thats the only way. Everythings gone so unless you had back-ups, you will have to start over. A global staff can get on and give you your rc and rights back but thats pretty much all they can do for you. They cant magically make everything reappear.

Yes there is , Npulse has never been deleted by a Staff Member and Npulse is not the only server that has not been deleted in this manner. You are careful about how you depense your rights and to who , this will resolve this 99% of the time. The only one besides Moonie that had these rights on Npulse was someone who had been with us 2 years, he had a "proven track record of trust and devotion to the server" . This is why he is the Manager now, people give too many rights too quickly to those who have not proven themselves worthy they are responsible enough to have them. Those of Staff or those who desire to be Staff who demand certain rights to take a job on the server don't need the job , because they will certainly also be the ones who will cause damage to the server at a later date. Think people , use common sense and above all protect your server as best you can.

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Originally posted by Python523
The title isn't owner... why call it owner? They don't own the space they have, they are renting it.

Maybe because "renters" sounds odd?

Gambet · #23 11-10-2003, 02:04 AM

moongod did you even read my post?. You said exactly wat i said, right restriction, meaning give rights to the people who you trust and who have earned them. You just said the same thing i said but in a longer version when all that was needed was 2 words XD.

Milkdude99 · #24 11-10-2003, 03:22 AM

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Originally posted by Gambet
moongod did you even read my post?. You said exactly wat i said, right restriction, meaning give rights to the people who you trust and who have earned them. You just said the same thing i said but in a longer version when all that was needed was 2 words XD.

SB there was much more in my post other than what you said; you just said something I had already said in a previous post. You have you way of doing things, I have mine, so why is it you criticize what I said? I didn't what criticize you said nor do I resort to calling people idiots, it doesn't help anything.

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Originally posted by Milkdude99

Think before you put your PW in jeopardy, use common sense when administering rights. If your IP ranges have not been put in as suggested , then it may not have even been someone of your Staff. The rule for IP ranges was made for a good reason and I strongly suggest you follow it in the future.

Gambet · #25 11-10-2003, 07:56 AM

i wasnt callin u an idiot =P, and yea ur right, everyone implements there own opinions. Well i think this issue was resolved by now, or atleast the renter knows what to do and how to not make the same mistake.

Thought · #26 11-10-2003, 09:58 AM

Didn't read most of this thread, however.

1. Your fault.
2. Not that I did it, however, It is amusing and ironic that an Era ripoff finally got what it deserved.

Scott · #27 11-10-2003, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99

It is possible to have more than one pay for a server, thus 2 Owners. I would advise against such a thing because of the obvious but it can be done.

It is possible to have two people pay, yes. However, whoever owns the paypal account that was the basis of the transaction to GO, is the real owner. I doubt Stefan would do a manual request and accept the fee split, and from 2 different accounts.
Besides, Xloria was the payer and I know that for a fact.

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Originally posted by Thought
Didn't read most of this thread, however.

1. Your fault.
2. Not that I did it, however, It is amusing and ironic that an Era ripoff finally got what it deserved.

Agreed.

thesaiyan · #28 11-10-2003, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by Thought
Didn't read most of this thread, however.

1. Your fault.
2. Not that I did it, however, It is amusing and ironic that an Era ripoff finally got what it deserved.

I agree with the "Your Fault" part because they should have checked IP ranges and rights better.
But, to my understanding, OC was going to be a WW2 based server. How is that an Era rip? It has guns, so what?

Spark910 · #29 11-10-2003, 07:42 PM

I have been away for the last 3 days as my computer is playing me around. So I reinstalled windows XP Pro, but now there is a problem where it restarts and either restarts normally or just leaves me with a grey screen, so that doesn't help as I cant update from windows update over night as sometimes it cuts off, so thats slowing me down +_+

If this is still an active problem forum Pm me.

Scott · #30 11-10-2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910
I have been away for the last 3 days as my computer is playing me around. So I reinstalled windows XP Pro, but now there is a problem where it restarts and either restarts normally or just leaves me with a grey screen, so that doesn't help as I cant update from windows update over night as sometimes it cuts off, so thats slowing me down +_+

If this is still an active problem forum Pm me.

MS Blaster, dude.

davidpsy · #31 11-10-2003, 10:01 PM

Why does anyone besides the owner need rights to change rc rights?! Explain this to me? Shouldn't the owner/manager be the one hiring staff and the staff the ones working not doing both, the manager should be doing some of the work too even though most dont...

Scott · #32 11-10-2003, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by davidpsy
Why does anyone besides the owner need rights to change rc rights?! Explain this to me? Shouldn't the owner/manager be the one hiring staff and the staff the ones working not doing both, the manager should be doing some of the work too even though most dont...

Some 'managers' reward their staff with rights if they work.
Which isn't the way to go. Obviously it attracts the nub rc staff. ;/

Thallen · #33 11-10-2003, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by Scott

There cannot be two owners. -_- Owner=Person who pays the PW rent fee.

Actually, no one owns any playerworld anymore if it's online on the Graal Online server. If your server is online, Graal Online official owns it, the payer and the creator just manages it, basicly.

Thought · #34 11-10-2003, 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by thesaiyan

I agree with the "Your Fault" part because they should have checked IP ranges and rights better.
But, to my understanding, OC was going to be a WW2 based server. How is that an Era rip? It has guns, so what?

Tileset.

Compare with Era tileset.

Nappa · #35 11-11-2003, 12:07 AM

Yeah..

DustyPorViva · #36 11-11-2003, 12:41 AM

Remove my tiles please, as I don't remember ever giving your server permission to use them.

dorfindel · #37 11-11-2003, 02:08 AM

That's why you should download a new copy of your server's files every so often..

Milkdude99 · #38 11-11-2003, 04:25 AM

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Originally posted by Thallen

Actually, no one owns any playerworld anymore if it's online on the Graal Online server. If your server is online, Graal Online official owns it, the payer and the creator just manages it, basicly.

Talk to Unixmad he is the one that started the PW Owner phrase again.

protagonist · #39 11-11-2003, 04:38 AM

"Owner" really doesn't pertain to a person owning Graal or it's actual property(graphics, levels, scripts etc), however, the "Owner" would have the option to shut it down or to hire/fire managers. It's like owning a store, you don't own the franchise but you do have the highest position at that store and make big decisions.

haunter · #40 11-11-2003, 05:26 AM

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Originally posted by Nappa
Yeah..

Hahahaha! Ain't that a kick in the pants?

And I knew this would happen soon enough once I saw the first thread about Operation Crisis... Having 5 managers/owners in total isn't a good thing ;P

And I think the term "Owner" is there only to set the person who payed for the server appart from the person who manages it... I guess it's meant to make them feel special. XP