Complaint!!!

[craig17]

ok things need to be sorted out better its bull**** if a server pays money it should be able to make whatever it wants as long as it is copy rights and if a server pays money it should go on the main list not make it so only gold or vip members can only go on it thats unfair, its like paying the boss to do work for him, every one that has payed for a server should be aloud for everyone that has a graal account to go on them unless they them selves wanted only gold and vip members on them only, all servers should be out on the main list though and all servers should be aloud to do whatever theme they want to do why because they paid for it its wrong for someone like houdinihero to say "if you keep that server the way it is i will make you change your entire theme", well hello whats for him to say what we can or can't do we paid for it if peopel go on the server good if people don't go on the server big deal we are the ones who paid for the server so we should get what ever other server has there on the list. every server should be equal.

graal definantly needs to make it so not just gold members can go on the private servers also there shoudl be anothe rlist on graal and its just common sence if you pay for a server you should be able to do what ever theme you wan't no matter if the next guy has the same as yours because some people will like one better then the other, reguardless its paid for anyway.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by craig17
if a server pays money it should be able to make whatever it wants

There are some obvious restrictions like the minimisation of profanity, obscenity etc, but I don't know of anything other than that.

if a server pays money it should go on the main list

If you want it to go on the main list, make it a good playerworld. If it's not good, Graal doesn't want to be represented by it.

its like paying the boss to do work for him

Um. What?

its wrong for someone like houdinihero to say "if you keep that server the way it is i will make you change your entire theme"

Oh, Houdini is corrupt. Don't listen to him. You probably should talk to Spark.

every server should be equal.

The fact is that servers aren't equal. Some are good, some are bad. You pay only to rent the playerworld, and for it to be accessible to other upgraded players (and there's no duplicity about this - the details are perfectly accessible to any potential renter). Graal is under no obligation to put substandard playerworlds on public display.

[GoZelda]

K, Kai has owned the guy, delete thread :/

[Darlene159]

This kind of thread isnt even allowed =/

and this should not have been said(isnt allowed anyway) on the forums, could have been done elsewhere:

Oh, Houdini is corrupt. Don't listen to him. You probably should talk to Spark.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by craig17
graal definantly needs to make it so not just gold members can go on the private servers also there shoudl be anothe rlist on graal

Gold and VIP can go on them. And it looks bad for graal if we have a list full of 130 half completed, and in some cases unprofessional, playerworlds clogging up a list. Thats the whole purpose of buying a development/under construction playerworld. There will be a 3rd tab for a few playerworlds that are good, but they will have to have good content in the first place to be there.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Darlene159
This kind of thread isnt even allowed =/

Yes it is. Stop whining about what you think are infractions.

[Destorm]

Originally posted by Darlene159
This kind of thread isnt even allowed =/

when did you become a forum mod ?

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by Darlene159

and this should not have been said(isnt allowed anyway) on the forums, could have been done elsewhere:

But what the Oppressive Tyrant apple from Omicron-5 said was true, YOU CANT COVER THE TRUTH!!!!

[azuretek23]

personally I think they should just add a new tab that says

"user playerworlds"

and the gold and classic tabs can have gold (made by graal peopl) and the classic servers are high user count worlds that graal wants to represent it.


anyway, I think if you do pay for it you should be able to have anyone go onto it. It would really suck if I made a playerworld and I had people sign up for graal to play but then they had to pay to be VIP because graal wants to be stupid like that -.-

[-Ramirez-]

Even though I don't own a playerworld, I would really like to be able to buy one and have my friends go on it just for fun.

Yeah... a tab for "User Playerworlds" wouldn't degrade Graal any, as people would know that they're made by players, and aren't expected to be professional or whatever.

I imagine making it so only VIP/Gold members can go on playerworlds was yet another way for them to try to make money. Bah... let's hope someday they'll make it so anyone can go on those.

[--Chris--]

Personally I don't like the idea of having to pay to go onto a undeveloped playerworld =/ Do you honestly think someone would upgrade to Gold/VIP just to see one?

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Destorm



when did you become a forum mod ?

I dont have to be a mod to know how to read

[ETD]

Originally posted by -Ramirez-
Yeah... a tab for "User Playerworlds" wouldn't degrade Graal any, as people would know that they're made by players, and aren't expected to be professional or whatever.

umm.. aren't all PLAYERworlds made by players?

[-Ramirez-]

Originally posted by ETD

umm.. aren't all PLAYERworlds made by players?

I knew some simple-minded person would make that comment, which is why I added "and aren't expected to be professional or whatever". People are on here are so sad sometimes.

[skyler87]

Originally posted by Destorm



when did you become a forum mod ?

I don't see why people can't just report the thread to the mods and let it go...

[ETD]

Originally posted by -Ramirez-

I knew some simple-minded person would make that comment, which is why I added "and aren't expected to be professional or whatever". People are on here are so sad sometimes.

so you're saying there should be 1 tab for PW's that work their butts off, and another for ones who do things half azz?

I thought the whole point of this PW buying was to promote development of BETTER PW's, not worse ones
=X
what's the insentive to make your world better, when you can just say you want to be in this new tab, and be like all the rest of the PW's?

also, why would any PW's then want to stay hidden? you'd get all of the worlds which are hidden now, wanting to be public in this new tab... (so staff without VIP/Gold can work on them as well)

EoA has gone through the trouble of getting ALL staff a VIP, or Gold account... some baught their own, others had them baught for them, by people who were nice enough to donate their money twards the development of the PW. I'd hate to see all our money go to waste now.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally posted by ETD

so you're saying there should be 1 tab for PW's that work their butts off, and another for ones who do things half azz?

Sure, they pay for them, do they not?

I thought the whole point of this PW buying was to promote development of BETTER PW's, not worse ones

Or another way to bring in money.

what's the insentive to make your world better, when you can just say you want to be in this new tab, and be like all the rest of the PW's?

Except you wouldn't be, you wouldn't be on the almighty Classic tab!!!! Some people would like to have places just to play around and be stupid instead of having to follow rules. People also like to have a place for their friends to go and just hang out... all by themselves, with whatever they want on the server.

also, why would any PW's then want to stay hidden? you'd get all of the worlds which are hidden now, wanting to be public in this new tab... (so staff without VIP/Gold can work on them as well)

In case they want to make it private and release it when it's completed.

EoA has gone through the trouble of getting ALL staff a VIP, or Gold account... some baught their own, others had them baught for them, by people who were nice enough to donate their money twards the development of the PW. I'd hate to see all our money go to waste now.

So this is about what you guys have done on your own playerworld? I'm talking about what I know that a lot of people would like.

[azuretek23]

I think ramirez is right here...

Graal is obviously charging so they can make money, to pay bills and employees. There is no inscentive for people to make better playerworlds, in fact it's rather ludicrus to think that you have to do a really good job and pay someone to be able to have people play on your server...

someone needs to think before they make these "deals" I personally have a VIP account and have no problem paying for these things but if I'm going to pay for a playerworld I sure as hell want everyone to play even if they have money or not.

[Lance]

Originally posted by Darlene159
I dont have to be a mod to know how to read

Good, you've got reading down. Next step: become cognitive of what is or isn't a violation of a rule.

[thesaiyan]

Originally posted by davidpsy


But what the Oppressive Tyrant apple from Omicron-5 said was true, YOU CANT COVER THE TRUTH!!!!

Foolish mortal! Its omicron persia - 5 *smacks*

note: Futurama owns you.. kthxbye

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Lance


Good, you've got reading down. Next step: become cognitive of what is or isn't a violation of a rule.

In rereading the beginning post, I was maybe wrong in the thread being against the rules, but I wasnt wrong about what Kai said about Houdiniman

[Lance]

Originally posted by Darlene159
In rereading the beginning post, I was maybe wrong in the thread being against the rules, but I wasnt wrong about what Kai said about Houdiniman

I do partially agree with you - this thread is trash. My supposition is that the reason it was allowed to live was so that the poster could be made aware of the falseness of its claims, though I could be (and probably am) wrong.

Again (and I could be wrong, as I cannot read people's minds), but it appears to me as though Kaimetsu was giving a piece of advice and justifying why he did so - that comment was not made to attack Houdiniman.

[Darlene159]

Again (and I could be wrong, as I cannot read people's minds), but it appears to me as though Kaimetsu was giving a piece of advice and justifying why he did so - that comment was not made to attack Houdiniman.

A comment such as that should have been done privately......

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Darlene159
A comment such as that should have been done privately......

*shrugs*

Depends. I would think that it's something everybody should know.

[Dach]

Originally posted by -Ramirez-

I knew some simple-minded person would make that comment, which is why I added "and aren't expected to be professional or whatever". People are on here are so sad sometimes.

Oh please, get off it, hardly any playerworlds could be called "professional quality". If anything there should be a tab for "In developement" playerworlds, then maybe as playerworlds become complete they can go either in a preffered tab if the overall content meets certain requirements. Other than that, I'm still a firm believer in user-defined playerworld tabs.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Depends. I would think that it's something everybody should know.

Isn't that just sidestepping the rule? I dunno, it's kinda iffy. Since he was banned for his behavior, and the rule is intended for those still under suspicion.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Dach
Isn't that just sidestepping the rule?

At most, it's only a minor infraction. I think the good outweighs the bad.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by -Ramirez-
Or another way to bring in money.

And thats a bad thing? Its allowed atleast one new scripter to work at the graalonline offices, working on 3D, guildCP and various other tools for graal.

[craig17]

no there shoudl be another tab for playerworlds unless you choose not to be on it thats up to you so what if its half fast done then no one will go on it big deal omg i gotta scroll down to play the server i want to because the list is so big, and the only reason i see why they mad player worlds so only gold and vip members can go on it its so peopel will upgrade there accoutns as mentented already in these forums hello whos gonan upgrade there acc to play a world that isnt done or for all that don't even know what the player wolrd is liek because they can't log on it, if anythings come sof this they should remove the vip and gold thing so players can go on those servers antoehr tab would be great also

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by craig17
the only reason i see why they mad player worlds so only gold and vip members can go on it its so peopel will upgrade there accoutns as mentented already in these forums

That's one factor, but it's more so that new players won't see the unfinished junk and decide not to play. Like I said, Graal doesn't want to be represented by substandard playerworlds.

[azuretek23]

if they had a tab called "Developing"

then people would understand that those are being developed...
kai, simple simple

[Lance]

Originally posted by azuretek23
if they had a tab called "Developing"

then people would understand that those are being developed...

Even worse. You've got a ton of substandard worlds being made - is that reassuring to the average new player?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by azuretek23
if they had a tab called "Developing"

then people would understand that those are being developed...
kai, simple simple

Sure, it's simple if you ignore half of the debate. If a new user saw these developing worlds, he would assume that they are to be added to the Classic/Gold tab upon completion. The problem is not merely that they're unfinished; it's also that they are, for the most part, unregulated. Some of the content is of an extremely poor quality, and some could realistically be profane etc. It doesn't give a good impression.

[azuretek23]

ugh.... whatever...

I have no problem with paying for myself, but if I want people from other places to get graal so they can play my world I dont want them to have to pay twice...

maybe I'll just pay for their VIPs as well...

[Gambet]

well i dont think there is anything wrong with how the system currently runs, it is true, staff on a private server should work and make the server great before they earn the right for there server to reach the main tab, now what i dont like is that to see what new private servers are up (because i like to explore every playerworld because each one is unique with there own styles), i have to check my rc's playerlist (i.e f8), just to see the private servers names, i think that there should be a third tab that just like graal kingdoms, you need gold/vip to play the servers but the third tab should be made so people can see the current private servers and there unique styles of npcs/tiles/game play. It would give the servers more of a players critique on it (if they like it or some opinions on how to improve it) and it would be a great improvement. Thats just my opinion.


(if they mentioned this before then i apologize because i didnt read the whole thread XD)

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Gambet
what i dont like is that to see what new private servers are up, i have to check my rc's playerlist (i.e f8), just to see the private servers names, i think that there should be a third tab that just like graal kingdoms, you need gold/vip to play the servers but the third tab should be made so people can see the current private servers and there unique styles of npcs/tiles/game play.

I agree on one condition: The tab is only visible to upgraded accounts.

[Darlene159]

i have to check my rc's playerlist (i.e f8), just to see the private servers names, i think that there should be a third tab that just like graal kingdoms, you need gold/vip to play the servers but the third tab should be made so people can see the current private servers and there unique styles of npcs/tiles/game play. It would give the servers more of a players critique on it (if they like it or some opinions on how to improve it) and it would be a great improvement. Thats just my opinion.

I agree with you there, and I agree with Kai....I also use my RC to see the whole list, then type it into the engine.

[craig17]

either way i don't see a huge argument on why people should pay or have to have a vip/gold, servers ion everyoneseyes is different like example Kaimetsu thinks era is great while I think its the worst server out there, everyone is different and it snot giving everyone a fair chance, you pay money for the server why so you can have your own server im sure power along the lines also and so you can have your friends also play and have fun and have many others come to your server, well that can't happen not everyone is super rich i mean yesh there shoudl be some kinda thing if u make ur server vip/gold up to the owner if it shoudl happen or not and u get alot of traffic you should get soem kinda of a bonus or a reward something anyway and for the other servers its there choice or make like a limit sya like 100 people aloud on at a time or something.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by craig17
Kaimetsu thinks era is great

What?

[superb]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


What?

I don't know what he's smokin', but I think he was just using that as an example, though it was a very poor one.

[craig17]

i said it was an example


like example Kaimetsu thinks era is great while I think its the worst server out there.

it was an example thats all just sayign people ave different opinions