Lack of moderation

[Deek2]

Originally posted by Judge_S
Hmm, I'd say myself, were it not for two reasons:
1: Most people nominate themselves, so why should anyone think I would be any different?
2: I haven't made a big impact on the forums, be it a positive, or negative way. Therefore, no one knows who I am, correct?

Pff, I'd nominate myself because It'd give me an oppertuinty to have power. Hey, I'm being honest.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally posted by Deek2

Pff, I'd nominate myself because It'd give me an oppertuinty to have power. Hey, I'm being honest.

Too much stress even if you're just after power.. Unless you didn't do anything as a mod... ::suspect::

[Deek2]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan


Too much stress even if you're just after power.. Unless you didn't do anything as a mod... ::suspect::

I could handle it. I've been admin on forums before.

[Geno]

Originally posted by MarkB



wtf, who is kamull? sounds like "camel"

anyway, kai does a good job, i think koni should pick up some mod rights and come back as gold gm but heh, just my idea

how do you not know who kamuii is :O!

[HoudiniMan]

Originally posted by Deek2

I could handle it. I've been admin on forums before.

It was a jab at the lazy mods...

[Deek2]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan


It was a jab at the lazy mods...

Most of the mods here do there jobs, they just arn't on much.

[Judge_S]

Well, let's go over the list, and correct me if I'm wrong on some points. I'm going to go from the amount of time I've seen them online, and other points. Keep in mind, I'm not online 24/7, so I'm not sure whether any of these people are actually online when I am not.

Administrators
admin - I don't know if this account is actually needed for the forums, if not, it should be deleted because it is never used.
unixmad - Unix is on a fair bit, but has enough on his plate before he could even do any large amount for moderation.
Stefan - See-> unixmad
galen - Galen isn't on often enough, and therefore cannot do much in terms of moderation.
Tyhm - Tyhm is on the most out of the administrators. He moderates a large amount.

Super Moderators
Kaimetsu - It seems as if he has been on a bit less lately, but that may be part and partial to the fact he lives in England. Also, I think another Super Moderator is in order. These forums are becoming very hectic.

Moderators
AlexH - He is no longer seen on the forums, from what I've observed.
Non-Graal-related threads

Brandon - A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? Plus, I haven't seen him on a lot.
Bravo Online

Chrisz - A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? I also haven't seen Chrisz on much.
Era

Cybnext - A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? I have seen him online on occasion, but the forum receives little to no traffic, and therefore doesn't really require moderation.
Frolic

DragonX - He is on often, and to my knowledge, does his job efficiently.
Graal2002 Events
2002 Information

Falados - Also on often, though no where nearly as much as DragonX. He moderates competently.
NPC Scripting

G_yoshi - A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? Online often, but the forum doesn't attract much traffic.
Doragon Koden

James - Online often, but once again, the forum doesn't receive much traffic, though it has been picking up lately. Besides, does James even work on the 2k1 server?
Graal2001 Forums

Kaimetsu - See-> Kaimetsu
NPC Scripting

Knuckles - A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? I haven't seen him on much at all. Besides, the forum receives little to no traffic. Why are there two moderators for this forum?
Frolic

konidias- A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? This is one of the playerworlds that I've seen has a fair bit of traffic in it, as well as a moderator for it. However, I don't believe there to be enough to constitute a moderator solely for this forum.
Oasis

LordZen - He is on about as much as Falados is. He also moderates his forums competently.
Zormite
Graphic Design

nao - Is the GBA game even being worked on anymore? If not, this moderator, whom is virtually never online, should be removed - if the whole forum not with him.
Graal Gameboy Advance suggestions

Nitkizi - A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? This forum receives a fair amount of traffic as well, but once again, not nearly enough to constitute a moderator.
Shaded Legend

Proxy - We will have events with Graal 2k1 soon, I'd wager, but I don't believe this moderator is active anymore. The moderator should be removed, and a more updated one in its place, if even.
2001 Events

Sebman - A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? I am not familiar with the amount of traffic the Terra forum receives, but it isn't enough to need a moderator for it. Also, I haven't seen this moderator on at all.
Terra

Senkasui- A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? See-> Terra
Gaia

Soul-Blade - A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? Also, see-> Oasis.
Shifting Ages

soulgraal - A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? Tyhm does enough to moderate the Classic forum, and I haven't seen this moderator on at all lately. I believe a removal should be done.
Classic

Stefan - See-> Stefan
Forum Announcements
2002 Main Forum
2002 Bugs Paris

TifaKhan - A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? Also, see-> Oasis. Tifa is on a fair bit as well, though.
DoomsDay

Tseng - This forum receives enough traffic to constitute a moderator, and the current choice is fine. No action recommended.
Graal2001 Forums

Tyhm - See-> Tyhm
Classic
Bugs Reports
Future Improvements

unixmad - See-> unixmad
Forum Announcements
2002 Main Forum
2002 Gods
Graal Main Forum
2002 Kingdoms
2002 Bugs

ZanderX - Kamuii is on often enough. However, he has VIP, and doesn't actively play Graal Kingdoms, nor is he the King of Dustari anymore. If he is to mod, I believe the NGRT should be the forum of choice.
Dustari

zwr - A playerworld moderator. Perhaps we should get one or two people to moderate forums explicitly? See -> Frolic
Atlantis


This took me forever to edit. Keep in mind that I have added as much as I saw fit to add to each person and their position. I also know that some, if not most of said moderators may not have upgraded their accounts, and therefore are not active.
This is only my opinion, but is most likely the opinion of others as well. Also, let it be known that not all forums were covered - only those with current moderators.

[Minoc]

Originally posted by DragonX


Look at Unholy Nation. It did not take them 5 years to make it, and it has the most players.

50-70% of them are trial ;o

[Christian]

There was no need to post the moderators in the Playerworlds Forum ;o.

[Judge_S]

Originally posted by Christian
There was no need to post the moderators in the Playerworlds Forum ;o.

Regardless, the whole list needs to have a thorough look-over. If you must know, I copied and pasted the forum leader page, and edited it so it was easier to read my comments.

[Kaimetsu]

I was away for a week, no big deal. When I'm here (which is 99% of the time), I'm usually online for ~12 hours per day. If I happen to miss something, just report it.

[Deek2]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
I was away for a week, no big deal. When I'm here (which is 99% of the time), I'm usually online for ~12 hours per day. If I happen to miss something, just report it.

Ahah. Where were you?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Deek2
Ahah. Where were you?

Short version: Feeding a cat.

[Judge_S]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
I was away for a week, no big deal. When I'm here (which is 99% of the time), I'm usually online for ~12 hours per day. If I happen to miss something, just report it.

I see. Well, I didn't mean any offense, and I would edit it, but I can't change it after 1440 minutes.

[AlkarenHyralt]

*looks at the peopel arguing over koni or kai being administrator*

There must be too many new people... *looks at his own custom title and sighs*

Memories...


But anyway, if there is such a large ammount of unmoderation going on to where it's only kaimetsu and/or tyhm doing it, I'll see if I can't get some things going to get some more moderators and maybe another super mod in order...can't promise anything of course, as I no longer really have the authority, but I can always make suggestions.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Judge_S

Im a moderator, but hardly worth saying about, as im not a viewable moderator, its a private forum. And it doesnt really need moderating, as only a few people have access.

Spark, do not quote pages of text just to add a paragraph onto the bottom!

[Milkdude99]

Moon Goddess and I left being Mods because we were tired of fighting with Kai over rules of the Forum. We both were very active in pointing out violations on all Forums not just our own (this was done in the sandbox since we had no authority outside our own Forum). We had a problem with the lack of conformity of the rules that applied to some and not others.

Also the lack of clear violations ignored because we were told they were "gray areas", this was not acceptable to us and could not continue to be a part of the Management of a Forum run this way and now this is the end result of what we kept fighting for and it not happening. Will it get better without change? In my opinion no just worse.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Moon Goddess and I left being Mods because we were tired of fighting with Kai over rules of the Forum. We both were very active in pointing out violations on all Forums not just our own (this was done in the sandbox since we had no authority outside our own Forum).

1) The majority of your complaints concerned people making miniscule remarks against your playerworld or a playerworld whose manager you have befriended.
2) I was not the only one to dismiss them. The majority of the moderators voted against your ridiculous requests.
3) The fighting to which you seem so opposed was purely a result of your own belligerence. Every time I voted against you, either you or Moon Goddess would instantly attack me and fault my ability as moderator. You could have pressed your case and tried to better express your concerns, but instead you resorted to name-calling as if it would actually achieve anything. I think most moderators were glad to be rid of you.

Also the lack of clear violations ignored because we were told they were "gray areas", this was not acceptable to us and could not continue to be a part of the Management of a Forum run this way

The "lack" of ignored violations? Isn't that a good thing? I'll assume you meant 'abundance' or somesuch. I - and other moderators - tried on several occasions to explain to you how gray areas were an integral part of any rule systems. How personal judgement must be used to decide just how much a post goes against a rule, and whether or not it warrants action. I gave you many examples, asking you which moderation option you would choose. Instead of answering, you ignored the questions in an effort to avoid the truth that your selective reasoning was hiding from you.

Again and again you deluded yourself into ignoring proper administrative procedures simply to support your own cause. You're the worst kind of corrupt person - the kind that doesn't even realise he's doing anything wrong.

and now this is the end result of what we kept fighting for and it not happening.

Yes, my seven-day absence is the direct result of your misguided crusades. The drop in moderation was temporary, and due purely to an entirely unprecedented vacation. I regret the problems caused by my inability to be online, but it's entirely unreasonable to say that I can never leave my home or be away from an internet access point. Real life sometimes gets in the way of moderation ability - as much for me as anybody else - and it's not going to change because of your whiny propaganda.

[Darlene159]

lol, Kai...you are such a liar, but its ok I am used to it

[CasanovaCanavi]

Originally posted by Darlene159
lol, Kai...you are such a liar, but its ok I am used to it

How is he a liar? o.o.. Just wondering.. =x

[Kaimetsu]

You see the type of defense they use? Instead of posting cogent responses to my points, they bury their heads in the sand and merely insult me. They refuse to answer my arguments because it would require them to consider that they're not perfect in examining their own responses to situations.

Anyway, Moon Goddess, if you wanna use such an evasive strategy then you're welcome to do so, but don't expect the readers of the forum to be swayed by it. I don't have a reputation as a liar or as a corrupt person, and you're not going to establish one without at least trying to form some logical points.

[superb]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
You see the type of defense they use? Instead of posting cogent responses to my points, they bury their heads in the sand and merely insult me. They refuse to answer my arguments because it would require them to consider that they're not perfect in examining their own responses to situations.

Anyway, Moon Goddess, if you wanna use such an evasive strategy then you're welcome to do so, but don't expect the readers of the forum to be swayed by it. I don't have a reputation as a liar or as a corrupt person, and you're not going to establish one without at least trying to form some logical points.

Preach it brother Kai.

[Darlene159]

I dont much care what the readers think when I call you a liar, you know what I mean, I know what I mean, and some others know what I mean....no more broken record posts for me.

The players can draw their own conclusions from previous, present, and future posts, they dont need me to spell things out (except they cant see the sandbox to see how you lied about that)

1) The majority of your complaints concerned people making miniscule remarks against your playerworld or a playerworld whose manager you have befriended

Number one, it is against the board rules to bash Managers and staff, they are suppose to take it up with the PW, or the PWA...not put it here....that rule is not being enforced AT ALL.
Number2, we never complained about minor things, they were just minor to you

As for your number3...lol, funny
you are the king of name calling, you especially like the name stupid, or unintelligent...the reason we fought you on everything was because we were frustrated, and no matter what we said or did, there was always a gray area, and the negativity and bashing on the forums was getting worse (still is), and we couldnt get anyone to do anything about it.

You might as well make a new part to the forums called complaints, trust me it would be the most active thread

I said I wasnt going to sound like a broken record, but I did it anyway....I have said these things time after time, and still you always say I never explain anything. Not that it matters, you will pick it apart, and use your big words, and intelligence to make everything sound good for people who cant read between the lines, and for some reason dont see what is going on.....Nothing will ever change, and I find that sad
If people cant see that these boards are nothing but negativity, then nothing will ever change.
<Done>

[Spark910]

Stefan has updated some moderators! 0_0

[CheeToS2]

yay, congrats kamoo.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Spark910
Stefan has updated some moderators! 0_0

Yay, he read my forum PM.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by CheeToS2
yay, congrats kamoo.

Finally an active person. Did AlexH just erode?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Darlene159
I dont much care what the readers think when I call you a liar, you know what I mean, I know what I mean, and some others know what I mean....no more broken record posts for me.

Why would you post if you didn't care about the opinions of the readers? Why would you continue to post paragraph after paragraph?

The players can draw their own conclusions from previous, present, and future posts, they dont need me to spell things out (except they cant see the sandbox to see how you lied about that)

The players do indeed seem to be drawing their own conclusions, and they're not favorable to you. If you want, there are three solutions:

1) You can grant permission for me to quote you from the sandbox, giving examples of the trivial things to which you object.
2) We can ask an active mod for confirmation of what I say.
3) We can can let the players continue to form their opinions based on their impressions of us both.

I gotta tell you, I don't think any of those options will work well for you

Number one, it is against the board rules to bash Managers and staff, they are suppose to take it up with the PW, or the PWA...not put it here....that rule is not being enforced AT ALL.

Try to think for a moment, Moon Goddess. Let's imagine I were deleting fifty threads a day. How would you know about it? Would you look for thread-shaped holes in the fabric of reality? The whole point of deleting them is that they're not there anymore, so unless you know about every thread the instant it is created, how could you possibly know how many are removed? You know as well as I do that there's no way for you to make such a claim. It's little more than a lie, the kind of hateful, deceptive propaganda that characterises your attitude towards those who don't pander to your foolish requests.

Number2, we never complained about minor things, they were just minor to you

Equally I could say that they were just major to you, and minor to everybody else. I was appointed as moderator so that I could use my judgement to decide what is trivial and what is deserving of intervention. You could fault my judgement if you wanted, but you have no grounds to accuse me of corruption or inattentiveness to the forums.

As for your number3...lol, funny
you are the king of name calling, you especially like the name stupid, or unintelligent...

Again, you'll need to give examples of times when I've used such insults before you can gain some credibility. Sure, it may have happened in retaliation - particularly to Moon God's peculiar habit of claiming himself to be more intelligent than me - but never simply as a result of a disagreement as in your case.

the reason we fought you on everything was because we were frustrated, and no matter what we said or did, there was always a gray area, and the negativity and bashing on the forums was getting worse (still is), and we couldnt get anyone to do anything about it.

So, you perceived that there was a problem and your solution was to throw insults at one of the supermods. Was that the mature thing to do? And you still haven't learned - Moon God posted in this thread with the intention of attacking me without provocation. Did he expect to solve any problems, do you think, or did he just want to start a fight? You're both terrible hypocrites.

You might as well make a new part to the forums called complaints, trust me it would be the most active thread

Yes, but I imagine that there would only be two posters

I said I wasnt going to sound like a broken record, but I did it anyway....I have said these things time after time, and still you always say I never explain anything.

You make hollow statements and never back them up. You have no credibility, because you persist in ranting about me as though I'm some evil ogre with no interest in moderating the forums. People know that's not the case, so they dismiss your posts as hateful and propagandist. As is so often the case, you fail because you see everything as either black or white - a flawed and unrealistic attitude.

I do delete negative threads and posts. I do fight against harrassment (see the recent situation where Tyrial was accused of stealing graphics, for example). I do have a positive effect on these forums. By ignoring these facts and seeing only the black, you delude yourself to reality and undermine everything you say. I genuinely hope that you can learn to see the grey around you.

[MarkB]

Moonman, I am sorry but your intelligence is nothing close to that of Kaimetsu's so quit trying to portray it to be much higher because you're 35+ and you play graal. Why must you harass him about the job he does?

Kaimetsu does a very good job at what he does, much better than that of what I have seen from you and NPulse. I read this thread at school today and was laughing to myself at what bafoons you and your (note:35+ year old) wife look like when you make these pointless comments. You two try to "team up" on Kaimetsu, whether it is to hurt his feelings or make him look like an idiot, I do not know, but personally, I do not think it phases him.

Kaimetsu is in no way complacent in anything that he does. Many of times I have made ignorant posts and before I can even check the replies, he has them deleted--it does'nt piss me off, why? because that is proof he does his job efficiently. So yea, in otherwords, do your job and until you can master it, stay off the backs of other people.

[HoudiniMan]

Let my thread die you arguing ninnies.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


particularly to Moon God's peculiar habit of claiming himself to be more intelligent than me -

Moon God posted in this thread with the intention of attacking me without provocation.

I have never said that you liar , produce one just one post where I have ever said anything remotely like that.

The post I made was a joke, not directed to anyone just a freaking joke . it is you that decided to get insulted about it and start this whole thing. I couldn't give a rats ass about you whether you live or die so don't sit there and think I have some reason to come here and start anything with you. This is mearly getting back at me for banning you from the Npulse Forums because of complaints about your post , plain and simple.:grrr:

[Dude6252000]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
This is mearly getting back at me for banning you from the Npulse Forums because of complaints about your post , plain and simple.:grrr:

I highly doubt that. :x Kai is simply trying to enforce what he's saying, which is indeed right, not a lie.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
The post I made was a joke, not directed to anyone just a freaking joke . it is you that decided to get insulted about it and start this whole thing.

hey MG, dude, get your threads straight... he's talking about the post, which started like this:

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Moon Goddess and I left being Mods because we were tired of fighting with Kai over rules of the Forum....

remember that post? yea... he wasn't even talking about the posts in the PW section...

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
[B] I have never said that you liar , produce one just one post where I have ever said anything remotely like that.

I could easily produce a snippet from a PM where you said I was stupid and unable to understand you, implying that you command a greater intelligence. I could go and find something even more explicit if I deemed it necessary, but when have you ever bothered to back up your claims?

The post I made was a joke, not directed to anyone just a freaking joke

As I've said, it may have been a joke but it was still offensive and poorly judged. The claim that you didn't mean to cause offense is simply irrelevant. You did, and you shouldn't try to wriggle out of taking responsibility for that.

I couldn't give a rats ass about you whether you live or die so don't sit there and think I have some reason to come here and start anything with you.

Your words contradict your actions, amigo. Your earlier post in this thread was an attack, was it not? If it were a legitimate complaint then it wouldn't even ever see the forums - you'd send it to an admin or somesuch as is proper procedure. You only put it here because you did indeed want to 'start something' with me.

This is mearly getting back at me for banning you from the Npulse Forums because of complaints about your post , plain and simple.:grrr:

Again you seem to have forgotten that you started this argument. I retaliated in the same way that I would if you had not shown your corruption by banning me.

And since you raise the issue, why don't we examine the post that led to my ban? You posted the following:

"it's not like the Graal Forums where there is always some bozo causing trouble"

I replied, making two points: Firstly, that there weren't so many fights on the official forums. Secondly, that there was a fair amount of arguing on the NPulse forums too (I cited the thread you made to attack me over the sig issue). For this I was banned? Without warning? If I applied such criteria on these forums then you'd have been banned a thousand times over by now, along with 90% of the users ¬_¬

[Darlene159]

ETD, I seriously dont think Kai needs your help in every thread that moon god or I are discussing something in, hes a big boy, I think he can handle it on his own

[ETD]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
For this I was banned? Without warning? If I applied such criteria on these forums then you'd have been banned a thousand times over by now, along with 90% of the users ¬_¬

lol, he banned me 2 times, for no reason other than he dislikes me
XD
the last time he banned me, was ummmm... April? somewhere around there, maybe earlier, and again, for no reason other than that he does not like me
=p
oh well, it's his forums, and i've gotten used to the fact that he does not like me

Originally posted by Darlene159
ETD, I seriously dont think Kai needs your help in every thread that moon god or I are discussing something in, hes a big boy, I think he can handle it on his own

no, Kai doesn;t need my help, but MG needs help in rememering where he is every once in a while it seems... i mean, he started talking about a thread in another catigory of these forums... I wasn;t even arguing, or anything... just showing MG what post Kai was talking about...

[HoudiniMan]

Kai please delete this thread, the issue has been resolved.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
Kai please delete this thread, the issue has been resolved.

There's no need to delete it, but I will close the thread. The recent arguments were originally on-topic, but the Moon Deities seem to have resorted to mudslinging now that their arguments have been refuted, and there's no point to let it continue any further.