Delteria: Bad Stuff

[voicedcow6666]

Hehe, thanks. You're providing me with lots of fun when I'd usually be bored.


Anyway...


At numerous points in this thread you've pointed out what you personally believe to be "idiotic error of logic", so doesn't really count. In my personal opinion I find you to be a ***** because you spell humor with "mour", instead of just "mor", though both are correct, I have a personal preference. That wouldn't justify me calling you a *****.


You agree to the majority part of my statement...just got through reading all of GraalOnline docs, so let me get a little quote.

These policies will undoubtedly NOT suit everyone, but this is impossible. Because GraalOnline is a multiplayer game, there can sometimes be a conflict between an individual user's idea of entertainment and that of the majority of the players. To improve gameplay experience for as many people as possible, the majority will be given the greatest weight.

I have no problem with expressing a dislike for items...but when you go to the extent that you're posting on these forums and with the soul intent of trying to bring the "bad" out of another server...heh, gets pretty stupid. Just because you don't like something, especially something so petty, doesn't mean create such a big ordeal over it.


Wtf? Raping players? It's a friggin game!!! You need to get you a prostitute or something...Even if someone was "raping" another player...If they didn't like it, all they would have to do is pm a staff member. I would consider that harassment...there, taken care of...


Social standards classify it as being distasteful? Social standards also classify killing people as "distasteful", yet that still goes on in Graal. Again, it's a game...it's meant to go away from social standards a bit to the extent that you can have fun...None of it is forced upon you....


So you've asked Stefan and Unixmad and Nemesis and whoever else specifically about NPC's for "humping" objects? Hmm...sounds like an interesting convo, mind if I see a history? I could use it for a good laugh.


And yes, I find it amusing also. But then I didn't care, I just brought it up because you were doing the same to me. Didn't make ya look any better. In fact, you just basically criticised yourself.


Anyway, I'm going to sleep now.

We can play again tomorrow!

[HoudiniMan]

*sneeze* erm... uh, don't let me stop you guys...
sleep time for me tomorrow... hopefully not too much to read when i wake up

[Kaimetsu]

At numerous points in this thread you've pointed out what you personally believe to be "idiotic error of logic", so doesn't really count.

And now I'll point out another one. My labelling of you was a subjective appraisal. My labelling of your errors are - debatably - subjective appraisals. Why do you believe that I am not allowed to use the latter in creating the former?

In my personal opinion I find you to be a ***** because you spell humor with "mour", instead of just "mor", though both are correct, I have a personal preference. That wouldn't justify me calling you a *****.

But it would justify me calling you a *****. Judging somebody's intelligence based on which valid spelling they use is extremely stupid, if only because it's an immensely inaccurate measure. A person's choice of spelling does not reflect on their intelligence in any real way. On the other hand, the frequency with which they say idiotic things has a very real link to their intelligence, and so it is reasonable for me to judge your intellect based on your numerous logical failures.

You agree to the majority part of my statement...

Wha? When did I agree to anything you said?

just got through reading all of GraalOnline docs, so let me get a little quote.

Your quote is inapplicable. Reasons:

1) You have not proven that the majority of people like the NPC in question.
2) Utilitarianism applies. The majority is given a larger weighting than the minority, but you have to examine the specific nature of players' reactions. Any person with a mental age higher than thirteen will most likely consider your toy to be in extremely bad taste. Meanwhile, those with low intellects might think it is kinda cool but it won't revolutionise their lives. The following is, in this case, true: Small number of people * large negative reaction > Large number of people * small positive reaction.
3) It's not just about what the players want - it's about Graal's reputation. As I have already explained, your NPC harmed that (or at least took it in a direction unwanted by the owners).

I have no problem with expressing a dislike for items...but when you go to the extent that you're posting on these forums and with the soul intent of trying to bring the "bad" out of another server

Yeah, because posting takes so much effort, right? Just think what else they could be doing in that time! They could read half a page of a book, for example! Or see three minutes of their favourite TV programme! How foolish of them to squander so much of their precious time!

Wtf? Raping players? It's a friggin game!!!

A game where you purposefully gave the players the ability to simulate raping objects. What is so difficult to understand? You say that you consider it harrassment and cause for GPs to intervene, yet the major purpose of your NPCs is to facilitate this idiocy.

Great, they can PM a staff member! That makes it okay! It doesn't matter that there are not always staff online, and that it's impossible to prove that the person actually did it, and that the event has already taken place by the time the GP even hears about it!

Social standards classify it as being distasteful? Social standards also classify killing people as "distasteful"

Not in a computer game. Or even those who do are not people who play Graal. Boom, your argument fails.

So you've asked Stefan and Unixmad and Nemesis and whoever else specifically about NPC's for "humping" objects?

No, I have talked to them about the general standard of taste that Graal should take. They want it to be a game suitable for families, and that pretty much precludes *****ic toys like yours.

And yes, I find it amusing also. But then I didn't care, I just brought it up because you were doing the same to me.

Ah, then you intentionally engaged in idiotic hypocrisy. That's an excellent defense!

Didn't make ya look any better. In fact, you just basically criticised yourself.

Only in the eyes of those who have difficulty reading. I pointed out your hypocrisy, that's all. I could have criticised you for judging without proper evidence, but I didn't. Even if I had, I would only be criticising myself if I agreed that I am doing the same. In fact I am not. I am judging you on the evidence inherent in the posts you have made so far. It's fairly reasonable to conclude that somebody who acts as stupid as you is, in fact, stupid.

[voicedcow6666]

*yawn* Aahh...awake for work, time to play just a little bit more before I go in.

BTW, Kaim, I'd like to thank you. You've provided me more fun in one day than I've had on Graal in over a year.

mmhmm *cough* Now...


Just because you don't agree with someone, whether it be on logic or whatever, does not make that person an incompetent fool.


And did you really believe that I was calling you a ***** because of the way you spell humor? Jesus dude, rofl....I was using it as an example.


Ok, you didn't outright agree that the majority of the people are juveniles, but you agreed of the possibility. Close enough.


And that quote, it is applicable. When the NPC was up, I didn't recieve one complaint of any kind about it (except on here). After it was taken down, I've recieved multiple complaints.

The majority of the players on Delteria are in fact over the age of thirteen and do in fact have a mental compacity over the age of a thirteen year old (with a few exceptions, I admit). None of these players had a problem with it.

To be straight up honest, I do not care about Graal nor it's reputation. My primary point of interest is Delteria and the Delteria players.



And not because posting takes so much effort, like with your smart ass reply.

When WC posted this, he posted it with the intent to bring out the "bad" of Delteria, just like he does other servers. That's ignorant. As I read back in this thread I see others which agree with me.


The NPC was not made to "rape" objects or players. How can you "rape" something on an 8-bit game? How can you "rape" an object period?

Yes, they could contact staff...if there's not someone on, then they can complain on our forums....it would be handled...


Have you never played Vice City? You can friggin pick up hookers! And it's a game...so boom, you failed....


And you first insulted me...in return I insulted you...you replied saying I had no justification....I replied back saying neither did you...you reply saying oh it's humorous that I can say you have no justification to insult me while I'm insulting you with no justification...dude, you criticised yourself...I did the same thing you did to bring a point...figured you could get that on your own.

[Darlene159]

No matter what you say, Zega....the npc is not appropriate, it breaks graal rules, period.
It doesnt matter how many people like it or dislike it...it doesnt matter how old the people are who play, all that matters is that it breaks graal rules...the npc is Obsene and sexual in nature, and states in the graal rules that is not allowed.
On one hand you say you see nothing wrong with it, and on another, you say people can report it
It is illegal when people use the pulling gani in a sexual way because that is not appropriate behavior for an online game targeted for families...so it would also be illegal for you to make an npc purposely for that, not to mention totally stupid.
You copied a paragraph from graalonline saying that "the majority will be given the greatest weight". This is true, but whatever you would be talking about has to follow graal guidelines also, and not be an obsene npc.
For you to say that people need to grow up who are complaining about you breaking rules is not fair...the majority of graal players are children, whether they be mature or not. At least they are mature enough to know the graal rules, and to abide by them (which doesnt seem to be the case for you).
If the npc has been removed, then this problem is taken care of, but your attitude tells me that there will be future accurances.

Yea, I said I was done with the forums, I know someone will say something...so sue me

[Mykel]

Zega, meet Kai. Kai, meet Zega.

Well the NPC is now deleted, no need to argue, but I am sure that wont stop you two. LOL.

[Nemesis]

Originally posted by Deek2
It's nice that he's pointing these things out, but dude, you don't have to make 50,000 threads pointing out simple flaws in playerworlds. Either talk to Nemesis, or talk to the server admin. It's simple. I mean, what are we going to do?

:: hands him money ::

Simple and put people need to stop whining especially when I can go to enigma and rip it a part with bad things on that server. You have NO RIGHT to point out things about servers in public, when your server isn't even as close to complete. Atleast they have something playable instead of this wasteland with nothing in it but a few levels. I suggest you stop bringing people down and work on your world. That is what needed. If you want to help graal so badly, finish Enigma and make it good, till then you shouldn't point out things in public, if you want to privately do it then it is better than making threads about such nonsense when it could of been taken care of easily

This goes for everyone as well

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Nemesis



:: hands him money ::

Simple and put people need to stop whining especially when I can go to enigma and rip it a part with bad things on that server. You have NO RIGHT to point out things about servers in public, when your server isn't even as close to complete. Atleast they have something playable instead of this wasteland with nothing in it but a few levels. I suggest you stop bringing people down and work on your world. That is what needed. If you want to help graal so badly, finish Enigma and make it good, till then you shouldn't point out things in public, if you want to privately do it then it is better than making threads about such nonsense when it could of been taken care of easily

This goes for everyone as well

Valid Point!

[CasanovaCanavi]

Close Thread? o_o

[Mykel]

OMFG, pwned.
AHAHAHAHAHA.


heh, thats what spark said, but in a more mature way,

[Warcaptain]

Originally posted by Nemesis



:: hands him money ::

Simple and put people need to stop whining especially when I can go to enigma and rip it a part with bad things on that server. You have NO RIGHT to point out things about servers in public, when your server isn't even as close to complete. Atleast they have something playable instead of this wasteland with nothing in it but a few levels. I suggest you stop bringing people down and work on your world. That is what needed. If you want to help graal so badly, finish Enigma and make it good, till then you shouldn't point out things in public, if you want to privately do it then it is better than making threads about such nonsense when it could of been taken care of easily

This goes for everyone as well

Lets do that, come on enigma sometime when I am on and 'rip it apart of bad things'


If you find more than 2 legitimate things, ill publicly apologize to you.
If you dont, you have to apologize publicly.

And you shouldnt be worried about whining, you should be worried about whats right.

If they have things wrong you need to take care of it, that IS your job you know.
Sorry you have better things to do like moap around and play games, but you do have a job.

Also enigma doesnt get as many players as delteria does.
They have influence on more people than I do.
THEY should be the upmost cleaned up playerworld.

UN, Delt, Babylon, Atlantis, Doomsday... all should be the cleanest pw's on the list because they get over 30-40 players.

[Warcaptain]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666

Have you never played Vice City? You can friggin pick up hookers! And it's a game...so boom, you failed....

Vice City is also rated M for mature

Graal allows 13 year olds to play so its baisicly a T for teen game, but still this is far too mature for just a T for teen.
Sex, drugs, violence are all M for mature ratings.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Warcaptain


Vice City is also rated M for mature

Graal allows 13 year olds to play so its baisicly a T for teen game, but still this is far too mature for just a T for teen.
Sex, drugs, violence are all M for mature ratings.

True, this is a different topic though, not Delteria.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by Warcaptain


Vice City is also rated M for mature

Graal allows 13 year olds to play so its baisicly a T for teen game, but still this is far too mature for just a T for teen.
Sex, drugs, violence are all M for mature ratings.

dude, you have to be the most naive (sp? heh, i mean NIE-EVE)
person i have ever met. EVERYONE who plays this game knows what humping is and NOONE cares if they see it.

[Deek2]

Originally posted by Mykel
dude, you have to be the most naive (sp? heh, i mean NIE-EVE)
person i have ever met. EVERYONE who plays this game knows what humping is and NOONE cares if they see it.

Except for the childish, immature people .

[draygin]

Originally posted by Mykel
dude, you have to be the most naive (sp? heh, i mean NIE-EVE)
person i have ever met. EVERYONE who plays this game knows what humping is and NOONE cares if they see it.

Actually I met a kid who was like 8 one time a couple of years who was asking me what something like that ment. He honestly didnt know which totally blew my mind. So there are some very niave people in this game who dont know what stuff like that is.

addon: not that I'm taking sides or anything since it doesnt concern me. I just thought I would point that out.

[voicedcow6666]

Originally posted by Darlene159
No matter what you say, Zega....the npc is not appropriate, it breaks graal rules, period.
It doesnt matter how many people like it or dislike it...it doesnt matter how old the people are who play, all that matters is that it breaks graal rules...the npc is Obsene and sexual in nature, and states in the graal rules that is not allowed.
On one hand you say you see nothing wrong with it, and on another, you say people can report it
It is illegal when people use the pulling gani in a sexual way because that is not appropriate behavior for an online game targeted for families...so it would also be illegal for you to make an npc purposely for that, not to mention totally stupid.
You copied a paragraph from graalonline saying that "the majority will be given the greatest weight". This is true, but whatever you would be talking about has to follow graal guidelines also, and not be an obsene npc.
For you to say that people need to grow up who are complaining about you breaking rules is not fair...the majority of graal players are children, whether they be mature or not. At least they are mature enough to know the graal rules, and to abide by them (which doesnt seem to be the case for you).
If the npc has been removed, then this problem is taken care of, but your attitude tells me that there will be future accurances.

Yea, I said I was done with the forums, I know someone will say something...so sue me

*cough* As I said in an earlier post...I went through all of the documentation on the Graal website and found nothing stating that it would be illegal...

[PrinceDark]

Originally posted by Nemesis



:: hands him money ::

Simple and put people need to stop whining especially when I can go to enigma and rip it a part with bad things on that server. You have NO RIGHT to point out things about servers in public, when your server isn't even as close to complete. Atleast they have something playable instead of this wasteland with nothing in it but a few levels. I suggest you stop bringing people down and work on your world. That is what needed. If you want to help graal so badly, finish Enigma and make it good, till then you shouldn't point out things in public, if you want to privately do it then it is better than making threads about such nonsense when it could of been taken care of easily

This goes for everyone as well

Taking sides, and expressing a biast opinion is really bad on your part especially since you are a PWA. :/
Sure WC is getting out of hand. You could talk to him privately to get him to stop without expressing your personal opinions publicly.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666



*cough* As I said in an earlier post...I went through all of the documentation on the Graal website and found nothing stating that it would be illegal...

Whatever you say, I thought you had more sense then this...but I'm not going to argue the point with you.
BTW...how goes the college and work that you were going to be too busy with, that you had to quit your job on Npulse and leave us stranded? hmmmm?
lol

[PrinceDark]

Originally posted by Darlene159

BTW...how goes the college and work that you were going to be too busy with, that you had to quit your job on Npulse and leave us stranded? hmmmm?
lol

lol. I don't think you want him to answer that question.

[voicedcow6666]

Originally posted by Darlene159

Whatever you say, I thought you had more sense then this...but I'm not going to argue the point with you.
BTW...how goes the college and work that you were going to be too busy with, that you had to quit your job on Npulse and leave us stranded? hmmmm?
lol

lol, sorry about that. I haven't started any of that yet. I ended up quiting Graal and just didn't really say anything.

Funny part of it all is that when I came back I still had RC on NP

I apologize for that though, I should have atleast said something to ya'll.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666
Just because you don't agree with someone, whether it be on logic or whatever, does not make that person an incompetent fool.

Again you fail to understand. If I percieve that you are making stupid mistakes then it is reasonable for me to consider you stupid. Is this too complicated for you? You're only strengthening my belief

And did you really believe that I was calling you a ***** because of the way you spell humor? Jesus dude, rofl....I was using it as an example.

Simply making a point, home-dawg. My reasons for doubting your intelligence are much more substantial than choices of spelling, so your argument was worthless.

Ok, you didn't outright agree that the majority of the people are juveniles, but you agreed of the possibility.

That's not an agree/disagree thing, it's just a statistical fact. But you've failed to state any worthwhile implications thereof.

And that quote, it is applicable. When the NPC was up, I didn't recieve one complaint of any kind about it (except on here).

You shoot yourself in the foot with the 'except on here'. Complaints on the fora are just as significant as in-game complaints. In any case, your experiences are inadmissable as evidence simply because there's no reason to believe that you're not lying.

The majority of the players on Delteria are in fact over the age of thirteen and do in fact have a mental compacity over the age of a thirteen year old (with a few exceptions, I admit).

Mental capacity and mental age are separate concepts.

None of these players had a problem with it.

Oh, you asked all of them?

To be straight up honest, I do not care about Graal nor it's reputation. My primary point of interest is Delteria and the Delteria players.

That's your prerogative, I was merely stating why it was not acceptable.

And not because posting takes so much effort, like with your smart ass reply.

...this seems to make little sense. If you reply to something, at least put the text to which you are replying. Otherwise I have no way of knowing what context you're assuming.

When WC posted this, he posted it with the intent to bring out the "bad" of Delteria, just like he does other servers. That's ignorant.

Ignorant of what, pray tell? He saw something that contravened Graal's policies and so he reported it. It's perfectly valid and understandable.

The NPC was not made to "rape" objects or players. How can you "rape" something on an 8-bit game? How can you "rape" an object period?

1) It's not an 8-bit game. You call yourself a scripter but you don't even know the word size of a standard desktop PC's processor?
2) We regularly state that we are 'killing' things in the game. How is that any different to raping them? Both simulated actions, referred to as if they were real simply for the sake of simplicity.

Yes, they could contact staff...if there's not someone on, then they can complain on our forums....it would be handled...

Great, but you have failed to address my other two points.

Have you never played Vice City? You can friggin pick up hookers! And it's a game...so boom, you failed....

Rape would be distasteful even in an adult game. Graal is not an adult game. Please read this.

And you first insulted me...in return I insulted you...you replied saying I had no justification....

Indeed I did, and indeed you did not.

I replied back saying neither did you...you reply saying oh it's humorous that I can say you have no justification to insult me while I'm insulting you with no justification

I didn't say that at all. You were saying that I should not criticise you without knowing you, yet you were criticising me without knowing me. I, on the other hand, do not consider personal knowledge of the person to be a prerequisite from criticism thereof. Understand yet, or should I use smaller words?

[LilNiglet]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666



lol, sorry about that. I haven't started any of that yet. I ended up quiting Graal and just didn't really say anything.

Funny part of it all is that when I came back I still had RC on NP

I apologize for that though, I should have atleast said something to ya'll.

Zega, you will not win an argument with Kaimetsu. He's probably the most intelligent person on Graal, to date. x.x Just give up.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by LilNiglet

Zega, you will not win an argument with Kaimetsu. He's probably the most intelligent person on Graal, to date. x.x Just give up.

incorrect, lol, both of them are way to stubborn (sp?)
Neither will win, neither will lose.

[TifaKhan]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Again you fail to understand. If I percieve that you are making stupid mistakes then it is reasonable for me to consider you stupid. Is this too complicated for you? You're only strengthening my belief

Sorry to butt in but shouldnt a mod be setting a better example,
and not calling people stupid?
(waits to be flamed)

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by TifaKhan


Sorry to butt in but shouldnt a mod be setting a better example,
and not calling people stupid?
(waits to be flamed)

yes

actually, this thread should have been closed when it was started since these kinds of threads arent allowed...but what do I know, I am just a lowly PW mod

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by TifaKhan
Sorry to butt in but shouldnt a mod be setting a better example,
and not calling people stupid?
(waits to be flamed)

You take the blue pill, you go on with your life and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you step into the real world and I show you just how deep your misconceptions go.

If you choose to take the blue pill, turn to page 194
If you choose to take the red pill, continue reading

Nobody here is going to be influenced in any way by my comments. If they wanna call somebody stupid, they'll do so anyway. If not, they won't. If anybody's gonna change their behaviour as a result of my posts then it will probably be in a good way. Make a poll if you want proof.

Originally posted by Darlene159
actually, this thread should have been closed when it was started

Mindlessly closing every thread on the forum will only lead to ignorance of the rules. If nobody sees them discussed then they will not be aware of them.

[Projectshifter]

I applied for Enigma back in my newbie scripting days and didn't get it, so I never went back. WC< you don't have to be a bish to everyone you know =/ You always seem to IM me when you need something x-x
---Shifter

[Warcaptain]

oh.. and now im banned for hacking?

oh that makse sense since ive spent probably 5 minutes on delt actualy playing

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Warcaptain
oh.. and now im banned for hacking?

oh that makse sense since ive spent probably 5 minutes on delt actualy playing

Why dont you take it to the appropriate person (Nemesis) so it can be taken care of in the right way? Putting it here isnt helping
(Not trying to start a fight)

[ETD]

sometimes exposing falts to the public is good... i mean, yes, he could have done this all witout posting, but then the graal public would not have seen what is going on, and would have been un-aware of what was on delteria, or whatever server he is commenting on at the time... and I'm assuming his point is not to just get the thing taken down, but it also show everyone else that it is there...

(just a guess though )

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by ETD
sometimes exposing falts to the public is good... i mean, yes, he could have done this all witout posting, but then the graal public would not have seen what is going on, and would have been un-aware of what was on delteria, or whatever server he is commenting on at the time... and I'm assuming his point is not to just get the thing taken down, but it also show everyone else that it is there...

(just a guess though )

I guess it is a mute point that it breaks the rules to start these kinds of threads to you, huh
forget it, I am wasting my time

[PrinceDark]

Originally posted by Warcaptain
oh.. and now im banned for hacking?

oh that makse sense since ive spent probably 5 minutes on delt actualy playing

Oh My! I smell Nemesis laying the smackdown soon on someone. It's gonna hurt too. OUCH!

[ETD]

Originally posted by Darlene159

I guess it is a mute point that it breaks the rules to start these kinds of threads to you, huh

eh, it may break the rules or not, I don't care, i am not making these threads, he is

i'm just saying that i can understand WHY he makes them... yet i never said i agree that he SHOULD make them :P

Originally posted by Darlene159
forget it, I am wasting my time

all, what, like 20 seconds it took to type that? lol you didn't even have to respond :P

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by ETD

eh, it may break the rules or not, I don't care, i am not making these threads, he is

i'm just saying that i can understand WHY he makes them... yet i never said i agree that he SHOULD make them :P

all, what, like 20 seconds it took to type that? lol you didn't even have to respond :P

The post are just as wrong as the threads ETD. All you are doing by it is adding fuel to the flames when you take part in it. Comes under these rules. This means if you take part you are as guilty as the one that started the thread and can receive the same punishment so I hope you do care if you want to post here.

12. Posting negatively about Graal or Graal staff is not allowed. (posts discussing
poor management, bad decisions, Graal sucks, etc) If you need to
discuss this, do it privately or somewhere else.

13. If a flamewar insues, this does not give you the right to take part in it, and
persistent offenders will be punished.

[SingleChance]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
The post are just as wrong as the threads ETD. All you are doing by it is adding fuel to the flames when you take part in it. Comes under these rules. This means if you take part you are as guilty as the one that started the thread and can receive the same punishment so I hope you do care if you want to post here.

ETD isn't flaming anyone...do you know what a flamewar is??

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by SingleChance

ETD isn't flaming anyone...do you know what a flamewar is??

lol, he said "you are adding fuel to the flames" not that he is flaming anyone...

[SingleChance]

Originally posted by Darlene159

lol, he said "you are adding fuel to the flames" not that he is flaming anyone...

k..but why did mg have to post the rule about flamewars...etd isn't taking part in a flamewar he just stated his opinion that he can see why wc is making these threads.

[TifaKhan]

Originally posted by Warcaptain
oh.. and now im banned for hacking?

oh that makse sense since ive spent probably 5 minutes on delt actualy playing

I spent a little more and
was threatened with hacking,jailing and banning.
But i do believe they are cleaning up now.

And to answer all the many others
Moon Goddess, yes you were wasting your time.

Yes sometimes exposing faults to the public is good, othertimes not, especially if you can simply log on the server and talk to the manager about something.

[ETD]

Originally posted by SingleChance

k..but why did mg have to post the rule about flamewars...etd isn't taking part in a flamewar he just stated his opinion that he can see why wc is making these threads.

thanks


and MG, i'm as guilty as you are then? I mean, it's pretty hypocritical that you say i'm doing something wrong, when you and Moonie are replying as well
0.o'

and i don't think this counts, because my posts were not about the topic... all my posts in this thread have been about WC saying this... and not picking a side, or another... so i haven't been adding to this "flame" MG speaks of
=X