WSU Security

Crono1508 · #1 07-17-2009, 11:25 PM

Is it a joke? A lot of people accusing others using WSU.
Could there be a possible update to prevent/detect usage?

It has been awhile since last Graal engine.

All I know is I would be disappointed to be sparring someone
that has enhanced speed because the hack isn't being detected at the moment.

Make a scare!

LoneAngelIbesu · #2 07-18-2009, 12:29 AM

... WSU? Sorry if I'm not educated in the latest lingo; we don't have any reason for speed hacks on Valikorlia.

cbk1994 · #3 07-18-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

... WSU? Sorry if I'm not educated in the latest lingo; we don't have any reason for speed hacks on Valikorlia.

Basically a group of trainers, I'm trying to avoid going too far into Anti-Graal.

fowlplay4 · #4 07-18-2009, 01:45 AM

I welcome the challenge they bring and developing the anti-hacks to thwart them.

CharlieM · #5 07-18-2009, 02:14 AM

Wsu trainer by graalhack. They just released a new version that had macros for era that is part of the reason speed levels were taken out. Also there's a group called team WTF but I heard they just use cheat engine in stealthmode (I know someone from graal who went to graalhack) quite honestly anyone who uses it is an idiot since you need to pay to download it

cbk1994 · #6 07-18-2009, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I welcome the challenge they bring and developing the anti-hacks to thwart them.

I don't. I've got more important things to do then deal with the stupid things they come up with. Why should I be wasting my time catching some speed hack when I could be using it to add to the game/server?

oo_jazz_oo · #7 07-18-2009, 02:59 AM

Ive been trying to come up with ways to detect it. -_-

But, i know this has been out for a while...weeks, maybe months.

Its undetected on all servers...npulse has banned many people for using it.
They can wall hack, turn while slashing, etc...
Stefan or unixmad, or whoever needs to do something about it. -_-

Cloven · #8 07-18-2009, 03:11 AM

It's basically like a better version of staff boots, lol. I logged on UN the other night to talk to somebody and OSL was literally filled with people running around at super-speed, laughing and slashing.

Yet another reason for me to brood on Delt Dev and leave the kids to their silliness.

Matt · #9 07-18-2009, 03:47 AM

Jeez, and i thought people playing Graal all day had too much time on their hands.

Crono1508 · #10 07-18-2009, 04:50 AM

I don't know, I think I've noticed several players having a slight speed increase in movement. Really hard to notice, but very vital for them.

fowlplay4 · #11 07-18-2009, 05:00 AM

If anyone wants my detection methods, I'd be willing to share and help you install them..

Inverness · #12 07-18-2009, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

I don't. I've got more important things to do then deal with the stupid things they come up with. Why should I be wasting my time catching some speed hack when I could be using it to add to the game/server?

If you have to ask that question then you're not ready to be staff on an online game.

Cloven · #13 07-18-2009, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

If you have to ask that question then you're not ready to be staff on an online game.

Sadly enough, many online games do little to combat cheating, save of course for those that have deeper-than-average pockets.

cbk1994 · #14 07-18-2009, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

If you have to ask that question then you're not ready to be staff on an online game.

There's a difference between scripting secure systems and spending tons of time adding things that Stefan should've added years ago (e.g. simple MD5 checks for onwall).

TSAdmin · #15 07-18-2009, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

If you have to ask that question then you're not ready to be staff on an online game.

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

There's a difference between scripting secure systems and spending tons of time adding things that Stefan should've added years ago (e.g. simple MD5 checks for onwall).

I'm going to have to agree with Chris here. I do see a point in what Inverness said, but while many people are busy trying to make things for a server they work on, it's a real pain in the ass to drop everything you're doing just to fiddle around with a scripted method to detecting and/or preventing the use of a third-party program (Which, since it's scripted and not hardcoded into the client, can easily fail) when the actual engine within the client should be able to do so, itself.

Many many programs have patch releases for current versions of their software (in fact, just as I was opening this page, Firefox said a security patch for 3.5 was available, v3.5.1), and I figure Graal should address security issues and release patched versions rather than saying "Security issues have been fixed in the next completed version of the Graal", eg: Graal v6.0. How about a release of Graal v5.1.1, v5.1.2, and so forth where as each new digit introduced represents a hurdle that has been overcome, while in actuality hasn't been an entire overhaul and revamp of the engine in use in v5...

Tigairius · #16 07-18-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin

"Security issues have been fixed in the next completed version of the Graal", eg: Graal v6.0. How about a release of Graal v5.1.1, v5.1.2,

I am going to have to agree with you here, especially because that's how Graal used to be updated.

oo_jazz_oo · #17 07-18-2009, 07:49 AM

If security issues have been fixed, why not release them now?

Security fixes are not something you advertise as an update in the future...

If someone finds a backdoor in windows os, microsoft doesnt come up with a fix then go, "We fixed the problem! Wait til Windows7 to see it in action!!!"

Its the same here. "We have the solution! Wait until the next version to have features that should be in the client already!!!"

DustyPorViva · #18 07-18-2009, 08:09 AM

Ya... these client updates only on major releases are silly in more ways than one.

Crow · #19 07-18-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Ya... these client updates only on major releases are silly in more ways than one.

Agreed. I would love minor updates every month or two. New scripting functions, bug fixes, security updates, whatever.

cbk1994 · #20 07-18-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Ya... these client updates only on major releases are silly in more ways than one.

I agree.

Inverness · #21 07-18-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I'm going to have to agree with Chris here. I do see a point in what Inverness said, but while many people are busy trying to make things for a server they work on, it's a real pain in the ass to drop everything you're doing just to fiddle around with a scripted method to detecting and/or preventing the use of a third-party program (Which, since it's scripted and not hardcoded into the client, can easily fail) when the actual engine within the client should be able to do so, itself.

You're not going to keep players by blaming the lack of anti-hack measures on the person making the client.

People aren't going to be around to enjoy the effort you put into your new shiny scripts if there are currently issues with hackers.

Gambet · #22 07-18-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

You're not going to keep players by blaming the lack of anti-hack measures on the person making the client.

People aren't going to be around to enjoy the effort you put into your new shiny scripts if there are currently issues with hackers.

This.

I agree that Graal's default security system should be better, but you can't really sit back and let all these guests run around with trainers without scripting protection against them when you have the ability to since it could possibly cause your server to lose players. I mean, it's not really fun for the players playing fairly when people are running around with super speed and wall hacking while shooting/slashing all over the place. It's quite a mess on Zone since a lot of the systems are unstable but I'll work on some trainer protection when I get the chance.

Matt · #23 07-19-2009, 12:07 AM

I'd say a bunch of people using trainers to speed hack, walk on walls, or whatever it may be, is the least of Graals problems. Security updates won't help the community grow.

fowlplay4 · #24 07-19-2009, 12:12 AM

Personally developing anti-hacks is fun, and provides an excellent scripting break from normal systems and so on. At least with scripts we can have them changed immediately to counter new trainers.

Also kinda adds a few things to think about while you develop new systems.

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Originally Posted by Matt

I'd say a bunch of people using trainers to speed hack, walk on walls, or whatever it may be, is the least of Graals problems. Security updates won't help the community grow.

Well from many games, I've seen it this way.

Player P.O.V.: "OH hackers coooool.. *30 mins later* !@#!@# hacker is ruining my gameplay x.x /quits"

WaDaFack · #25 07-19-2009, 01:09 AM

Stefan/unixmad needs to be supported by some anti-hack company other than trying to make there own. Try Gameguard or something ^_^ or maybe even PunkBlaster, but they're kind of weak.

Crow · #26 07-19-2009, 01:22 AM

Both Gameguard and PunkBuster are useless.

SwimChao · #27 07-19-2009, 02:19 AM

Ironic that this is started up now. Sorry I don't have any posted information, all of my insight was PMed a while ago.

cbk1994 · #28 07-19-2009, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

People aren't going to be around to enjoy the effort you put into your new shiny scripts if there are currently issues with hackers.

Who said we're putting all our effort in new scripts? I said I don't welcome the challenge, not that I don't work to stop the trainers.

CharlieM · #29 07-19-2009, 08:14 PM

Un and zodiac were the main targets of wsu, I think most of the scripts dont work on era

fowlplay4 · #30 07-19-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieM

Un and zodiac were the main targets of wsu, I think most of the scripts dont work on era

So be it but.. they only had hacks for Graal features/functionality and nothing specifically targeted at Zodiac.

After I got a hold of the leak and developed protection measures, they advised people to NOT use their trainer on Zodiac, and their next releases included a Macro designed for treadmills on Era, since then I haven't seen any good releases from them.

Darlene159 · #31 07-19-2009, 09:14 PM

These kinds of threads aren't allowed.