Zodiac Could be better...

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by hydralisk150

Now just because you didnt get an FAQ job, your going to go and be hell bent on single handedly bring Zodiac down. All you kids do is cry, cry, *****, and cry more. Why dont you try working for once?

Who the hell are you? You put pieces of a tileset together on a server such as Zodiac and think you're something? You manage to insult people here, and in you're own hiring thread!

Then again, I guess I shouldn't expect any better.

[hydralisk150]

And your an absolutly useless GAT who does nothing but *****, moan, and complain. Yet you think that your something hot and like your **** dont stink? lol And with that im going to stop responding to your idiotic messages.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by hydralisk150

And your an absolutly useless GAT who does nothing but *****, moan, and complain. Yet you think that your something hot and like your **** dont stink? lol

If you wanna **** around with me, take it to pm.

Also, take it like this. I've never even HEARD of you.

[fowlplay4]

Moderators should just close this thread since it's been effectively derailed.

[MysticalDragon]

Originally Posted by hydralisk150

And your an absolutly useless GAT who does nothing but *****, moan, and complain. Yet you think that your something hot and like your **** dont stink? lol And with that im going to stop responding to your idiotic messages.

And this is the type of flaws jerret allows time and time again. Maybe puppin has been lazy, be he hasn't spoken wreck less and causes the server to lose respect points. Dude your Levels Admin on a playerworld, try to show some respect for the server and your self. If I remember Relic denied your application on Zodiac, now your levels admin... Please don't tell me zodiac is this desperate?

Why close the thread? Isn't this what it is intended to do, Point out HOW zodiac can be better? Well I think that starts with listening to the players. Every time something corrupt happens on Zodiac you say "That's what the support desk is for". Your absolutely wrong and maybe a PWA Admin should explain that to you. Support Desk belongs to Graal Online not Zodiac. You should be addressing the situation and trying to resolve it before it hits Graal Help Desk. And THEN if it cannot be resolved by either parties, submit a ticket or request the help desk. That shouldn't be your first solution in my opinion, I'm sure Bell and the others have enough to deal with.

[Bell]

Just to butt in here. Staff should be acting a bit more mature, especially the admins. We expect more from you than the average player.

[Geno]

Originally Posted by Bell

Just to butt in here. Staff should be acting a bit more mature, especially the admins. We expect more from you than the average player.

when the owners of Graal don't hire people themselves how can you expect otherwise? i mean...you rent out servers to whoever is willing to dish out the money. therefor allowing anyone to be staff right?

[papajchris]

just a comment to your statement jerret, is puppin ACTUALLY doing work now? For the longest time he didn't do a thing on zodiac, hell he left 3/4 the gmap unfinished. Then when he was confronted about it, he'd get all pissy and quit for a few days and then come back, and then quit again and so on.

And jerret your not a bad manager. Your doing alot of behind the scenes work that you don't get credit for. However, it annoys me when a manager lacks social skills with the players that play their server. But i guess you say Xor handles that. Now to bring this thread back on topic, i think Zodiac needs to focus on more tasks that players will recognize. All this behind the scenes work is cool, but many don't notice it. And there has been updates and "new" things, but many of them were once on zodiac before. Granted they werent near as good as they are now, but they aren't new, just redone. Like nation honor and the bounty system. Some new and original things need to be made.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Geno

when the owners of Graal don't hire people themselves how can you expect otherwise? i mean...you rent out servers to whoever is willing to dish out the money. therefor allowing anyone to be staff right?

Classic servers are not paid for by any player and are owned by Stefan/Unixmad. For this reason, there are alot more expectations on Classic staff (especially the managers) then on hosted/UC worlds.

[Geno]

Originally Posted by Twinny

Classic servers are not paid for by any player and are owned by Stefan/Unixmad. For this reason, there are alot more expectations on Classic staff (especially the managers) then on hosted/UC worlds.

OH WORD? well still. its not like they know them in real life, their real age, or anything about them. i can fake being professional online really easy. i do it at work every day and thats real life!

[Crono]

Originally Posted by hydralisk150

And your an absolutly useless GAT who does nothing but *****, moan, and complain. Yet you think that your something hot and like your **** dont stink? lol And with that im going to stop responding to your idiotic messages.

Haha Clockwork is a better developer than you'll ever be.

[DarkIceX]

Originally Posted by hydralisk150

And your an absolutly useless GAT who does nothing but *****, moan, and complain. Yet you think that your something hot and like your **** dont stink? lol And with that im going to stop responding to your idiotic messages.

So since you're the hotshot now, show me an example of your levels on Zodiac. Please, since all the other developers are seemingly "useless".

Not to offend, just curious what makes you so much better.

[WaDaFack]

Originally Posted by DarkIceX

So since you're the hotshot now, show me an example of your levels on Zodiac. Please, since all the other developers are seemingly "useless".

Not to offend, just curious what makes you so much better.

He RE-MADE OSL, the level that made me disgusted and left me no other choice but to log on.. Unholy Nation.

Anyways, take this for example.


(Nation Admin)
Rogpog


For being a nation admin, you get RC.
According to the playerworld rules,
"* Staff positions should not be created for minor tasks such as uploading player graphics without special permission from the Playerworld Administration. These tasks should be handled by appropriate existing staff. For example, graphic uploading could be handled by the Graphics Team."
-Bell

Let's take another step further,
"Any player-centric content, such as head, shield and sword graphics, may be uploaded to multiple servers, but only with the express permission of the original artist." - Bell

Half of the heads uploaded on Zodiac are from UN, hm.....

Again...
"* Staff should only use their rights and tools for the reasons required by their position. Any other use is considered abuse, even if it does not directly affect players in a negative way." -Bell

Every day, I see a staff running across the map or running around over walls *cough oranrene *cough*. This also refers to the guy who mentioned spotting a staff using his boots outside OSL.

Almost there!
"* Only the server Manager should have write access to server logs."
-Bell

To be honest, I think every PR, Developer and almost every other server has access to logs. Correct me if im wrong, but when someone get's scammed the first thing I hear is "ILL CHECK LOGS"

Last but not least...
"* Guild names should not contain any offensive, copyrighted or threatening material."

Let's not even get started.



Are playerworld rules even necessary, no manager even follows them.

[Chompy]

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

Almost there!
"* Only the server Manager should have write access to server logs."
-Bell

To be honest, I think every PR, Developer and almost every other server has access to logs. Correct me if im wrong, but when someone get's scammed the first thing I hear is "ILL CHECK LOGS"

Difference between read and write rights though.

There's also logs made for specific actions.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Bell

Just to butt in here. Staff should be acting a bit more mature, especially the admins. We expect more from you than the average player.

I expect more from the average player than what's being displayed in this thread by the staff members. Then again, I probably have high expectations.

[WaDaFack]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

I expect more from the average player than what's being displayed in this thread by the staff members.

No one is ever satisfied, I mean if there's 1 update, some people will like it SOME PEOPLE WONT. There's nothing you can do about that!

But, I do agree with Crono. I haven't seen any other development other than Graphics.



EDIT:

Originally Posted by Chompy

Difference between read and write rights though.

There's also logs made for specific actions.

Ok, but how about everything else? :O

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

No one is ever satisfied, I mean if there's 1 update, some people will like it SOME PEOPLE WONT. There's nothing you can do about that!

? I'm talking about behavior.

[DarkIceX]

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

(Insert all your points here to save room.)

It's not so much all that for me, while all that is still a problem - however big or small.

My big problem is that their LAT Admin comes on here and insults other people and developers when he's done next to nothing for Zodiac so far, unless there's some big unreleased project we haven't heard about yet - even then he doesn't have the right, as a representative of a playerworld's staff team - or hell even as an ordinary player to come on Graal's official forums and flame people when they have concerns about his server.

He should be making a decent response, maybe explaining some of the work he's done rather than calling another developer useless and stating that he "does nothing but *****, moan, and complain" because they question what work he's done. However warranted it is based on comments from said player/developer about him, it is not right.

Honestly, I commend Jerret, he's doing his very best I'm sure, as is Xor, but the problem is a few (I think we know one from looking at this thread,) of their other staff aren't that dedicated, that skilled and are also easier to anger, which is unfortunately giving Zodiac a bad name when stuff like this is said on Graal's forums or elsewhere.

[fowlplay4]

These forums are going no where for Zodiac hell even Graal, and has just been **** talking all around which appears to be the norm according to many other threads.

It's a damn shame many of the members of this "community" have little support for any outsiders that aren't "in the circle." It's nice to get a "hey that's not a bad idea, try this it might work/look better!"

Yes It's been made well aware that Fuzzums didn't handle the posts in a respectable manner but seriously if you run around telling people they're doing everything wrong and continue to argue that they're doing it wrong, you shouldn't be surprised when they tell you to **** off.

Everyone's so damn inclined to posting negative replies before even considering something positive, there's no point in posting for help here.

There's always going to be the same people with the same grudges they've been holding for years now and it's just not worth it it's just going to return in every thread.

Next time we'll just use the Serverlist News feature so at least we won't have to put up with flamefests right? I give up with this place.

[DarkIceX]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

These forums are going no where for Zodiac hell even Graal, and has just been **** talking all around which appears to be the norm according to many other threads.

It's a damn shame many of the members of this "community" have little support for any outsiders that aren't "in the circle." It's nice to get a "hey that's not a bad idea, try this it might work/look better!"

Everyone's so damn inclined to posting negative replies before even considering something positive, there's no point in posting for help here.

There's always going to be the same people with the same grudges they've been holding for years now and it's just not worth it it's just going to return in every thread.

Next time we'll just use the Serverlist News feature so at least we won't have to put up with flamefests right? I give up with this place.

Errr, you're smarter than that, cmon now Jerret. People have been posting things they feel are wrong with Zodiac. It's not an attack against the server or anything. Also, take a look at some of the responses Fuzzums has been posting in this and the LAT hiring thread and then think about why people are flaming Zodiac.

[fowlplay4]

Sure they're posting what's wrong with Zodiac but they aren't exactly providing solutions (Except a couple posts).

I know this is a thread about how Zodiac could be better but now it's completely off-track and is just getting chewed up by trolls, this needs to get closed.

[Darlene159]

Closed upon request