The Future of Graal: Playerworlds - Page 4

Darlene159 · #**121** 02-05-2007, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by konidias

I'm not upset at all... I just answered your question. In order for the meeting to have any success, you'll need people there who know how to attract players and what works and what doesn't. It's obvious that the managers of the servers with 10 average players don't seem to fully understand this.

I don't really care to hear what some manager thinks about getting players when they can't do it themselves. Get it?

So the playerworld Managers that actually care, and who can benefit from learning something from this should just be left out? If this is going to benefit Graal as a whole, I hardly think that anyone should be left out if they care enough to want to participate. I happen to know that the Manager, and Asst. Manager of N-Pulse are quite intelligent, care about the server, and are in tune with what the players want. I think what you said is highly unfair.

Andy0687 · #**122** 02-05-2007, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

What difference does it make to you, really?

Because if there is not a server that dosent participate, it wont show what kinds of unfair advantages and vendettas this meeting really has.

If everyone just GOES ALONG WITH IT. No one will ever know if a server would have been punished, recieve less support, recieve more global support, or what by not going. Its about finding out just what the penalty is for not being there.

I suppose Babylon is the last pillar chance for a server to not attend and see just what happens to a server who chooses to be different.

Im proud to say I manage that server.

konidias · #**123** 02-05-2007, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

So the playerworld Managers that actually care, and who can benefit from learning something from this should just be left out? If this is going to benefit Graal as a whole, I hardly think that anyone should be left out if they care enough to want to participate. I happen to know that the Manager, and Asst. Manager of N-Pulse are quite intelligent, care about the server, and are in tune with what the players want. I think what you said is highly unfair.

Stop reading only what you want to read. I never said leave them out. I said don't make them priority over the others like he was doing.

If it's going to benefit Graal as a whole, I guess everyone involved with Graal should attend the meeting, according to your logic.

Lord Sephiroth · #**124** 02-05-2007, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

Im proud to say I manage that server.

Myself, James and Grey have concluded that we will not attend. You don't have enough money in the world to make any one of us go to that thing. >=[

I personally don't believe this is real, as in, I don't give it a chance of meaning anything. Stefan and Unix wont listen to your ideas, period. The only way of getting players to come to Graal would be advertising. That's it, and getting a group of Managers, some of which probably don't deserve the tag they strut around wearing, to get around and discuss tupperware isn't going to help anything.

Inverness · #**125** 02-05-2007, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

Thats dissapointing news to say the least, I hope she dosent go, or if someone tries to do what she dosent want, that she does not back down and takes care of them.

Expecially after what he has said about her.

You're irritating.

Darlene159 · #**126** 02-05-2007, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by konidias

If it's going to benefit Graal as a whole, I guess everyone involved with Graal should attend the meeting, according to your logic.

We are going in circles, so I wont argue anymore. You win...

Anyway, I don't see what any Playerworld Manager has to lose by checking this out. It might just do some good, who knows. I don't see what it could hurt.

This thread sure is an eye opener though.

Inverness · #**127** 02-05-2007, 05:16 AM

There is far too much negativity in my opinion.

Andy0687 · #**128** 02-05-2007, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

You're irritating.

Well its a good thing no one asked for your opinion then, isnt it?

Im sure there are plenty of people who would disagree with you.

Devil · #**129** 02-05-2007, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by konidias

Calling him "son" is hurting the chances of anyone even caring what you have to say. Not to be getting on your case again, but if you're going to point this stuff out with other people, I find it necessary to point out your flawed logic.

Calling someone "son" or "kid" or "junior" is just showing that you're trying to demean him and place him underneath you in terms of intelligence or superiority or maturity.

No, that's just how you perceive it, try not thinking into it too much konidias and there wouldn't be this problem.

konidias · #**130** 02-05-2007, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil

No, that's just how you perceive it, try not thinking into it too much konidias and there wouldn't be this problem.

It's not like how I perceive things is so much different than how others do.

Really, why did you call him "son"? I can only think of the reasons which I have already listed. Nobody is going to perceive that you are his father or something.

Devil · #**131** 02-05-2007, 07:38 AM

:P Yeah I get your point, but I just said that because I could

zokemon · #**132** 02-05-2007, 08:02 AM

Wow I missed alot...
MG, can you possibly get me in touch with these N-Pulse managers because they are the last ones left now.

And about Andy wanting a server to not participate: I have made it clear to every Manager that they may back out form this proccess after the meeting. No one has made a commitment to this project yet.

Darlene159 · #**133** 02-05-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

There is far too much negativity in my opinion.

Agreed.

Demisis_P2P · #**134** 02-05-2007, 02:00 PM

make me a global too, i'll help graal i promise

Darlene159 · #**135** 02-05-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

make me a global too, i'll help graal i promise

Actions speak louder than words.

Who said anything about anyone becoming a global?

Demisis_P2P · #**136** 02-05-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Actions speak louder than words.

Who said anything about anyone becoming a global?

If you have a problem with me because I like to have fun on a game then please discuss it with me via PM.
I think that sometimes you forget that you're the only employee here, so you have to be serious and responsible, but we're all here to play and enjoy ourselves, so please don't hinder that.

Also, there is plenty of discussion about Zero becoming a global, it may not be factual but it's still there.

Darlene159 · #**137** 02-05-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Also, there is plenty of discussion about Zero becoming a global, it may not be factual but it's still there.

I see. Well, he would probably be a good choice, maybe that is why there is discussion about it (although I haven't seen any).

Twinny · #**138** 02-05-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Also, there is plenty of discussion about Zero becoming a global, it may not be factual but it's still there.

More globals would be handy

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Rufus · #**139** 02-05-2007, 04:45 PM

Well, whatever Zero's reasoning for doing this is, I'm glad he's actually trying something for a change. True, he may be using this as a springboard to become "Global Staff" but in our own ways we all have ideas how to improve Graal we just don't carry them out, yet those that do are seen as people with a hidden agenda.

Now all that's left for us players is to see the outcome

excaliber7388 · #**140** 02-05-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

make me a global too, i'll help graal i promise

I bet

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Actions speak louder than words.

Who said anything about anyone becoming a global?

Must...hold..tongue.... biting....hurts....arg!

killerogue · #**141** 02-05-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

Well, whatever Zero's reasoning for doing this is, I'm glad he's actually trying something for a change. True, he may be using this as a springboard to become "Global Staff" but in our own ways we all have ideas how to improve Graal we just don't carry them out, yet those that do are seen as people with a hidden agenda.

Now all that's left for us players is to see the outcome

I mean not all people have greed or power trip reasons for wanting to become a global. I wouldn't mind becoming a global simply because I know what it's like have to be waiting for one person to get to your issue for a week. If we had enough globals we could always have someone on hand.

excaliber7388 · #**142** 02-05-2007, 07:53 PM

Wow, I got a neg rep for agreeing that it's a bad idea to not listen to your customers!
As I've stated, this thread assumes that Graal has a future.
Companies that don't care about their customers rarely last a long time.

zokemon · #**143** 02-05-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Wow, I got a neg rep for agreeing that it's a bad idea to not listen to your customers!
As I've stated, this thread assumes that Graal has a future.
Companies that don't care about their customers rarely last a long time.

And you know for a fact that Cyberjoueurs doesn't care about their customers? I'm sorry you live in such a painful world sir.

Crono · #**144** 02-05-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

And you know for a fact that Cyberjoueurs doesn't care about their customers? I'm sorry you live in such a painful world sir.

You didn't prove him wrong, so your post wasn't any better.

excaliber7388 · #**145** 02-05-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

And you know for a fact that Cyberjoueurs doesn't care about their customers? I'm sorry you live in such a painful world sir.

Try complaining about a policy.
No, get the entire forum to complain about a policy.
See where it gets you.

Darlene159 · #**146** 02-05-2007, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

No, get the entire forum to complain about a policy.
See where it gets you.

That has never been done.....ever. Do not start this in this thread.

Inverness · #**147** 02-05-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

See where it gets you.

The flat end of a large hammer.

Edit: If I ever buy a sledgehammer I'm going to paint Ban-Hammer on the side of it.

Edit2: You know when you say hammer alot and think about it, then it gets funny

zokemon · #**148** 02-06-2007, 12:10 AM

http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Proj...e_Graal_Reform

We have every classic server guys!
Now we are working on the hosted and private servers.
I feel bad for those who had no faith in me.

Darlene159 · #**149** 02-06-2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

We have every classic server guys!
Now we are working on the hosted and private servers.
I feel bad for those who had no faith in me.

Awesome. There are more positive people then I thought. Thank you for proving me wrong.

zokemon · #**150** 02-06-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Awesome. There are more positive people then I thought. Thank you for proving me wrong.

Not a problem ^_^
I was actually suprised at how many mature and kind Managers there are out there.

excaliber7388 · #**151** 02-06-2007, 12:24 AM

Apparently, a lot of people would like to see some reform.
Part of my DR Comp project was to unite people across servers.
That worked out great.

xXziroXx · #**152** 02-06-2007, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

Not a problem ^_^
I was actually suprised at how many mature and kind Managers there are out there.

Most of us are really nice people.. just dont mess with us or WE WILL BITE YOU!

Inverness · #**153** 02-06-2007, 12:43 AM

You make me think of Chompy, the one from Graal and the one from Mario. Hehe I wish I had a pet like that.

Andy0687 · #**154** 02-06-2007, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

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I feel bad for those who had no faith in me.

Why? No one really had NO FAITH in you. As I said before, I have a lot of faith in the idea, just not that it is a selfless act.

Besides I just checked out your page and saw...

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* Zero (zokemon) - Head of the Team and Core Coordinator.
* Malinko (Malinko) - Managerial Informant and Information Specialist.
* Alarid (Alarid0) - General Help and Project Planner.

While I dont know Alarid at all, so I cant draw an opinion, Malinkos name is enough to make the whole project more shady then before to me.

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Originally Posted by zokemon

I was actually suprised at how many mature and kind Managers there are out there.

Why does everyone have to Agree with your idea and want to attend to be kind and mature? Is there no such thing as constructive negitive critisism anymore?

Skrobo2 · #**155** 02-06-2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

I spent a good half hour at least explaining the entire system to Spryte and all I asked out of her was to attend a simple meeting after which she could leave if she wanted. She still said no. I don't want to degrade anyones character but I don't sense to much intelligence around those parts.

Spryte is a very smart woman and a good manager of UN. She doesn't agree with your ideas and didn't wish to attend your meeting. That gives you no right to imply that not only her, but all of UN is stupid. I don't see how you can expect anyone to listen to you, when you yourself wouldn't listen to me. I told you that you would have trouble getting her to agree to attend. And I told you it would be best to tell me and let me talk to her. But, you didn't listen to me and she didn't listen to you. I had a talk with her and got her to agree to attend, and UN would probably have been on your list of attending playerworlds, if you would have listened to me in the first place. I've been wanting to say something in reply to your comment about people on UN being stupid, but I've been banned so meh.

UN is only attending, because I felt we should at least go and listen so we know what's going on. I discussed it with Spryte and she agreed to go. That does not mean we agree with your ideas or that we are going to be a part of the actual project.

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

Thats dissapointing news to say the least, I hope she dosent go, or if someone tries to do what she dosent want, that she does not back down and takes care of them.

Expecially after what he has said about her.

Me and Spryte are close. And the only reason I still play Graal is I promised to stay and help her with UN if she became manager. She asks me for my opinion a lot of the time on decisions and such. And she respects my opinion. And honestly I doubt she would have punished me or anything had I gone without her permission. I ask her before doing anything, though. She still doesn't like the idea and probably would rather not go, but she's agreed to because I asked her if she would.

Andy0687 · #**156** 02-06-2007, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Skrobo2

Me and Spryte are close. And the only reason I still play Graal is I promised to stay and help her with UN if she became manager. She asks me for my opinion a lot of the time on decisions and such. And she respects my opinion. And honestly I doubt she would have punished me or anything had I gone without her permission. I ask her before doing anything, though. She still doesn't like the idea and probably would rather not go, but she's agreed to because I asked her if she would.

I understand and I respect the fact that you are staying and helping. I didnt know about your guyses relationship in that you were staying just to help her.

I just wanted someone to be different but I guess its a good idea that everyone knows whats going on.

No shots fired from me

zokemon · #**157** 02-06-2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

Why does everyone have to Agree with your idea and want to attend to be kind and mature? Is there no such thing as constructive negitive critisism anymore?

I'm so sorry that I have an opinion that people are kind and mature. I have no idea where you drew that I was connecting people accepting my ideas with me saying they are kind and mature. It seems like you are making very desperate attempts to fight with me. If you don't care about this project then get out of this thread.

On another note: Not many expressed that they accepted my ideas because I told them not to. I only asked that people come to the meeting after which they could choose to accept them or not. Again, why are you fighting with me?

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Originally Posted by Skrobo2

Spryte is a very smart woman and a good manager of UN. She doesn't agree with your ideas and didn't wish to attend your meeting. That gives you no right to imply that not only her, but all of UN is stupid. I don't see how you can expect anyone to listen to you, when you yourself wouldn't listen to me. I told you that you would have trouble getting her to agree to attend. And I told you it would be best to tell me and let me talk to her. But, you didn't listen to me and she didn't listen to you. I had a talk with her and got her to agree to attend, and UN would probably have been on your list of attending playerworlds, if you would have listened to me in the first place. I've been wanting to say something in reply to your comment about people on UN being stupid, but I've been banned so meh.

The reason I was making that comment is because Spryte was keeping a closed mind. I was asking no commitment from anyone nor was I asking anyone to accept my ideas. Of course it sounds stupid that someone would simply refute something that COULD be an oppertunity but doesn't demand anything of you at the moment.

Skrobo2 · #**158** 02-06-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

The reason I was making that comment is because Spryte was keeping a closed mind. I was asking no commitment from anyone nor was I asking anyone to accept my ideas. Of course it sounds stupid that someone would simply refute something that COULD be an oppertunity but doesn't demand anything of you at the moment.

That does not reflect her intelligence in any way. She simply doesn't like the idea and doesn't agree with you. The way she sees it, UN is the most popular server with a good chunk of the player count. Graal Online would suffer if it were to be kicked off the classic list or something, just for not attending this meeting. Like I told you, when you first PMed me asking who you should speak to, you should have let me talk to her for you, since she trusts my judgment and values my opinion. It took me literally one minute to talk her into it, when you could after 30 minutes of talking to her.

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

I understand and I respect the fact that you are staying and helping. I didnt know about your guyses relationship in that you were staying just to help her.

I just wanted someone to be different but I guess its a good idea that everyone knows whats going on.

No shots fired from me

I too am curious to see what would happen to a classic server that didn't attend. The way I see it, if they implement some kind of official support for servers/playerworlds, it should be for all and not just for the ones that attend this meeting. No offense taken to your comment either, I was simply stating things I would have before had I not been banned. Instead, I had to ask Rufus to relay the message for me, and he made it sound a little like I would go against Spryte's decision.

zell12 · #**159** 02-06-2007, 10:31 AM

I find this ironic. Apparently a "smart" woman manages the most immature playerworld I've been too.

"Hey, its popular!"

Yeah, lots of little kids running around, like its damn lord of the flies or something. Of course they would rather play on a server where they run freely.

I somewhat agree with this idea, but honestly, what do you expect to accomplish?

Crono · #**160** 02-06-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Proj...e_Graal_Reform

We have every classic server guys!
Now we are working on the hosted and private servers.
I feel bad for those who had no faith in me.

People have no faith in this actually accomplishing anything, not in gathering Managers.

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Awesome. There are more positive people then I thought. Thank you for proving me wrong.

What does this have to do with positive people?