The Future of Graal: Playerworlds

[zokemon]

Alot of ideas have been curculating between playerworlds, gold servers and the rest of Graal about how Graal can better it self as a whole. It seems it is time to rise up, organize as a large group and formulate some ideas for such. I have talked to Stefan and many other higher-ups in the Graal world and have shared my ideas on things we can do.

With this I would like to organize a meeting for the playerworld side of this project. This meeting would involve all Playerworld Management for all Playerworlds that were once or still are on the Classic or Hosted Tabs. The rules (not set in stone yet) will most likely be as follows:

- Servers that were or are on the Classic list will be allowed to have up to 2 speakers and 2 viewers in the meeting.
- Servers that were or are on the Hosted Tab but never reached the classic tab will be allowed 1 speaker and 1 viewer.
- All viewers will be unable to speak.

The meeting will most likely be arranged sometime in Feburary mostly to allow for Playerworlds to come up with material to present to the team. It is highly recommended that you prepare everything that you will say ahead of time and be ready to take notes (especially the viewers).

If you are interested in joining, please send me a forum PM and also post in this topic (for a hardcopy). Be sure to include in both messages:
- What server you represent.
- If you will be the head speaker, secondary speaker (for classic servers) or a viewer

I'll be updating this post with all that shall participate.

NPC Code:

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Current Support:

Server   1st Speaker    2nd Speaker    1st Viewer     2nd Viewer

Classic  Polo

Maloria  Maniaman

Zodiac   calani

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Remember:
It's time that we stop act as warring nations and instead come together to rise Graal to a level in the MMORPG world that it has never seen before.

Thank you,

- Zero

This post is still a draft and will be updated.

Someone mind stickying this?

[konidias]

I think you forgot to explain what exactly this is for...

[PrinceDark]

We need to improve playercount first.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Remember:
It's time that we stop act as warring nations and instead come together to rise Graal to a level in the MMORPG world that it has never seen before.

Im not sharing my playercount with you.

aka: No matter how you look at it, we cant accomplish what you think you are trying to do, its not possible, ever.

[Devil]

It shouldn't be up to the players to fix this problem, which wasn't created by us as paying customers in the first place.

This won't work, because you won't receive every person in management wanting to do this.

Good luck though, I just wouldn't waste your time. You want a great playerworld?

This will never happen, something bad always will happen to this "great" playerworld, all the great developers are spreading themselves too thin, they all want to be managers

[zokemon]

I thought I stressed about how this has nothing to do with a single playerworld. I am trying to get ALL of the playerworlds to have greater content in general. Want to remain a warring tribe of England? Go ahead (historic reference). Playerworlds that participate in helping Graal rather then their own selfish needs will find their player world to actually be supported by Graal it self rather then just thrown on a list because a playerworld team deemed your content as worthy.

Please, just show your interest in Graal and not your selfish gains.

Originally Posted by PrinceDark

We need to improve playercount first.

That is part of the goal in doing this.

Originally Posted by konidias

I think you forgot to explain what exactly this is for...

Sorry if I am a little vague but I don't want to share these ideas with the Graal public. It is about boosting Graal's player count and general quality.

[konidias]

Yeah but I don't get what you're trying to do at all... Merge servers? Have people from different servers help make stuff on eachother's servers? Have some team help out the servers deemed worthy of helping? I really don't get what the meeting is for...

Me and DV took a tour of about 80% of the playerworlds today, and only like two of them held our attention for more than two minutes. The majority of them weren't even worth being called servers. Out of all the servers we visited, I think Ol' West stood out as the most unique and interesting.

This means that there's roughly 100 playerworlds that have no chance of ever making it to the classic list.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by konidias

Yeah but I don't get what you're trying to do at all... Merge servers? Have people from different servers help make stuff on eachother's servers? Have some team help out the servers deemed worthy of helping? I really don't get what the meeting is for...

Me and DV took a tour of about 80% of the playerworlds today, and only like two of them held our attention for more than two minutes. The majority of them weren't even worth being called servers. Out of all the servers we visited, I think Ol' West stood out as the most unique and interesting.

This means that there's roughly 100 playerworlds that have no chance of ever making it to the classic list.

Merging Worlds has nothing to do with this at all.
It is about giving ideas and advice out to playerworlds out there right now for changes that may be happening to Graal.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Want to remain a warring tribe of England?

Yes, because its fun.

Playerworlds that participate in helping Graal rather then their own selfish needs will find their player world to actually be supported by Graal it self rather then just thrown on a list because a playerworld team deemed your content as worthy.

When did you become a spokesperson for Graal Online?

Please, just show your interest in Graal and not your selfish gains.

Graal dosent pay my server rental fees, or upgrade my account. Ill show more interest when they show more support.


Someone needs to rethink talking about "Doing things for their selfish wants" when they are the Origonal Poster of this thread.

[zell12]

I agree with Andy, even though I don't pay for Graal anymore. :P

[Lord Sephiroth]

So wait let me get this story straight I might be wrong here.

You want the Managers of every major classic/hosted server to get together and share their material so we can make a Super-Server for an average playercount of 500 people, in hopes of drawing millions of people around the world into playing a Zelda-Ripoff with only 3 options of gameplay?

[Gambet]

As Manager of a server, you should be able to flourish your server yourself, without the help of every other Manager from Graal, else you wouldn't deserve the position.


I don't exactly see the point of this get together, though it's a nice cause, yes, but unrealistic.

[Devil]

LOL zokemon, please explain how you're going to increase the playercount?

That isn't your problem, nor is it your job. Let the administration handle that, why should you increase their income when it's their job to do that?

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Devil

That isn't your problem, nor is it your job. Let the administration handle that, why should you increase their income when it's their job to do that?

im banking on "pls pls pls @ global staff"

[Devil]

Oh yeah, it's that time of month again when someone aims for the stars with a super fantastic idea.

Duh you have to be friends with Stefan and other globals to become a global.

[coreys]

This is an overall bad idea, but that doesn't change the fact that you are are being completely ignorant on the topic, because you apparently can't understand plain English, which is to be expected of Graalians.

1. No he doesn't want servers to share their ideas for their server to others. Nor content. He wants managers of other servers to give advice and maybe some new ideas to other servers.
2. James, what he said was in no way being a spokesperson for Graal, stop pulling **** out of your ass just because you hate Zero.
3. And, obviously Graalian logic seems to be that someone who tries to be a good Samaritan MUST be kissing ass to be a global. Oh yes, that is the only reason someone would do something like that. Look, stop thinking that everyone has to have their own selfish means for every single thing they do. Just because thats what you do, doesn't mean that's what everyone is like.

[zell12]

Originally Posted by Gambet

As Manager of a server, you should be able to flourish your server yourself, without the help of every other Manager from Graal, else you wouldn't deserve the position.

So people that pay money to have their server online, don't deserve to manage it? Odd..

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by coreys

that doesn't change the fact that you are are being completely ignorant on the topic

I find it funny you have to run into this thread and try to be Zero's knight in shining armor because he is getting "bullyed" by the big bag graalian public. If you are going to fire off an idea that is this redicilous then you should be prepared to take the heat that comes from it.

1. No he doesn't want servers to share their ideas for their server to others. Nor content. He wants managers of other servers to give advice and maybe some new ideas to other servers.

We all do this on a daily basis, and you know what happens? Nothing!
If they are someones ideas, why would they give them away so someone else can use them and get power and players off of it?

2. James, what he said was in no way being a spokesperson for Graal, stop pulling **** out of your ass just because you hate Zero.

I dont pull **** out of my ass because I hate him I pull **** out of my ass because I can, its not my fault if when I pull it, it makes perfect sense. I dont like him for a lot of other reasons.

Originally Posted by zero

I have talked to Stefan and many other higher-ups in the Graal world and have shared my ideas on things we can do.

In bold is the word of choice. Then he goes on to try to make an Official meeting, after having talked with the "higher ups" then he brings us this "OMG HEUG GRAAL MEETING".

Give it up its obvious.

3. And, obviously Graalian logic seems to be that someone who tries to be a good Samaritan MUST be kissing ass to be a global. Oh yes, that is the only reason someone would do something like that.

On graal, yes. Power drives everything. Players dont just rise up and try to make a buisness that has had them work for years for free without expecting something back. You think he is sitting behind his monitor going "Man, i am really glad that im organizing this giant meeting and i dont expect anything back from it at all ever".

You are just too blind by whatever friendship it is you two seem to have.

Look, stop thinking that everyone has to have their own selfish means for every single thing they do.

Im pretty sure his little act on Maloria was selfish too, but hey, track record speaks on its own im sure you dont need me to tell you that.

Just because thats what you do, doesn't mean that's what everyone is like.

Sounds like ***** envy to me really. I mean wait Vash, that is what you do isnt it? Im unconvinced by your stats.

To wrap this up, quit being blind, if anything really comes from this, besides Zero getting some kind of global job I will be seriously suprised. So much I might actually have to pretend I like him.

Footnote for Zero: Why would you want to only get your server passed based on the fact you participated in some stupid meeting, instead of getting it passed because it has quality content? That dosent make sense.

[_Z3phyr_]

Originally Posted by Lord Sephiroth

So wait let me get this story straight I might be wrong here.

You want the Managers of every major classic/hosted server to get together and share their material so we can make a Super-Server for an average playercount of 500 people, in hopes of drawing millions of people around the world into playing a Zelda-Ripoff with only 3 options of gameplay?

My personal interpretation of this is that Mr. Zokemon aka Zero wants the people who have had a past success in the management of this game via their playerworlds to get together and attempt to work together to help better the game (i.e. getting more people to play it and restore the game to what it used to be so that all the playerworlds don't suck ass anymore), thereby showing our own initiative as people who have dedicated parts of ourselves to it and disassociating ourselves with the usual "blame cyberjoueurs, we shouldn't have to do any more work" state of mind.

The op here has already said multiple times that it doesn't have anything to do with selfish gain (i.e. sharing material), so I am sure that none of that will happen.


I will talk to the people in Delteria about this.




edit -- stop being cynical

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by _Z3phyr_

edit -- stop being cynical

no u.

Just because he says it isnt for personal gain means it isnt? If I pick up your TV and walk away and you catch me, and I say im not stealing it, does it mean im not?

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by _Z3phyr_

My personal interpretation of this is that Mr. Zokemon aka Zero wants the people who have had a past success in the management of this game via their playerworlds to get together and attempt to work together to help better the game (i.e. getting more people to play it and restore the game to what it used to be so that all the playerworlds don't suck ass anymore), thereby showing our own initiative as people who have dedicated parts of ourselves to it and disassociating ourselves with the usual "blame cyberjoueurs, we shouldn't have to do any more work" state of mind.

The op here has already said multiple times that it doesn't have anything to do with selfish gain (i.e. sharing material), so I am sure that none of that will happen.


I will talk to the people in Delteria about this.




edit -- stop being cynical b*tches

This is very correct. No one will be sharing ideas about their server development (unless they wish to o_O). It will mostly be my team sharing models and ideas for the Managers to use and possible things they should and can do if they want to have their server adapt to the changes in Graal that will be taking place of the next course of time.

I also seemed to not know that I can't edit the post after so many hours so I guess I will have to just delete this thread when I have a big update and make a new one :-/

Originally Posted by Gambet

As Manager of a server, you should be able to flourish your server yourself, without the help of every other Manager from Graal, else you wouldn't deserve the position.


I don't exactly see the point of this get together, though it's a nice cause, yes, but unrealistic.

I work no where except for GK sir. If you think I manager Maloria, think again. I quit already.

And for everyone:
Please stop derailing my thread. If you have a problem with me or what I am doing, you may take it up with me but I have done nothing to earn your disrespect. I am trying to help ALL Graal servers by giving them my own advice and ideas and the advice and ideas of others. There is no selfish gain in this motive.

[coreys]

lol, Inferno I love your reason for deleting your own post there. And it seems the **** came in and did her thing. Took longer than I thought it would. =)

And yeah Zero, you're trying to help all of Graal. But stick with the other thing you were going to do. Cause I don't think this is going to work too well.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by coreys

lol, Inferno I love your reason for deleting your own post there. And it seems the **** came in and did her thing. Took longer than I thought it would. =)

And yeah Zero, you're trying to help all of Graal. But stick with the other thing you were going to do. Cause I don't think this is going to work too well.

Vash, you don't even know what I am doing. It isn't an "attempt" at something. It is simply a supplement to what already is. People don't want to participate? Fine. They will have to be left in the dust.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Vash, you don't even know what I am doing. It isn't an "attempt" at something. It is simply a supplement to what already is. People don't want to participate? Fine. They will have to be left in the dust.

I commend you on what you are trying to do, but there probably wont be enough people to care enough to help you. Good luck.

[Infernix]

Plain and simple were a a bunch of servers and were all rivals. A lot of us are still friends and all but don't expect us to be blabbing out any sort of idea to the public. Think out what your doing next time. Thats like apple and MS getting together and sharing their ideas for the OS.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Infernix

Plain and simple were a a bunch of servers and were all rivals. A lot of us are still friends and all but don't expect us to be blabbing out any sort of idea to the public. Think out what your doing next time. Thats like apple and MS getting together and sharing their ideas for the OS.

Next time?
This thing is already rolling and more and more servers join by the day. What are you talking about?

And I don't know how many more times I will have to say this but:
It is NOT a sharing of development ideas! It is for the well being of servers and to also help them with Management approches and other various things to improve the staff life on all servers. It is more of a lecture then a meeting but discussion is encouraged.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by zokemon

It will mostly be my team sharing models and ideas for the Managers to use and possible things they should and can do if they want to have their server adapt to the changes in Graal that will be taking place of the next course of time.

You do a miserable job at explaining this part and thats where your thread fails so hard.

If you would explain these things then you might be on track with me.

Question 1:

Who are you

Question 2:

being who you are does that give you a right to speak of "Changes in graal that are taking place in the next course of time".

Question 3:

"Changes in graal that are taking place in the next course of time" what does that even mean.

[zokemon]

I'm sorry I can't explain more. You will have to talk to me personnaly and be someone elligable for this meeting for me to give you the confidential information.

[kinetaro]

I got bored at around post #18 and I am very tired so if I say something that was previously said, sorry. I really think graal's main problem is not the playerworld/classic server content, but the advertisement or lack there of. Really from what I have seen graals advertisements are very poorly written and bizarrely laid out as if they where written and sent out in a frantic rush, and hasn’t been updated in at least five years. They are advertising it as the typical unchanging mmorpg when really graal's biggest advantage is its always changing there is always new content at least somewhere on graal's vast sea of playerworlds if anything they would be more successful if they started advertising it as a development engine. All of those little rpg maker (95/2k/2k3/xp/etc..) junkies would absolutely love to make/work on an easy point and click multiplayer engine which for the most part graal is. The admins of existing servers should stop trying to recycle the existing graal player base by advertising their server on other often times more successful servers, and start advertising online trying to pull in new players. Although I have briefly discussed this with Stefan and he agreed with me I doubt it has been given any second thought. Anyways anyone who made it this far thanks for reading my entire long-winded rant.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by kinetaro

I got bored at around post #18 and I am very tired so if I say something that was previously said, sorry. I really think graal's main problem is not the playerworld/classic server content, but the advertisement or lack there of. Really from what I have seen graals advertisements are very poorly written and bizarrely laid out as if they where written and sent out in a frantic rush, and hasn’t been updated in at least five years. They are advertising it as the typical unchanging mmorpg when really graal's biggest advantage is its always changing there is always new content at least somewhere on graal's vast sea of playerworlds if anything they would be more successful if they started advertising it as a development engine. All of those little rpg maker (95/2k/2k3/xp/etc..) junkies would absolutely love to make/work on an easy point and click multiplayer engine which for the most part graal is. The admins of existing servers should stop trying to recycle the existing graal player base by advertising their server on other often times more successful servers, and start advertising online trying to pull in new players. Although I have briefly discussed this with Stefan and he agreed with me I doubt it has been given any second thought. Anyways anyone who made it this far thanks for reading my entire long-winded rant.

Ack, spacing...! The point has been made plenty of times, that Graal needs to improve their advertising. Results = NULL.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by kinetaro

I got bored at around post #18 and I am very tired so if I say something that was previously said, sorry. I really think graal's main problem is not the playerworld/classic server content, but the advertisement or lack there of. Really from what I have seen graals advertisements are very poorly written and bizarrely laid out as if they where written and sent out in a frantic rush, and hasn’t been updated in at least five years. They are advertising it as the typical unchanging mmorpg when really graal's biggest advantage is its always changing there is always new content at least somewhere on graal's vast sea of playerworlds if anything they would be more successful if they started advertising it as a development engine. All of those little rpg maker (95/2k/2k3/xp/etc..) junkies would absolutely love to make/work on an easy point and click multiplayer engine which for the most part graal is. The admins of existing servers should stop trying to recycle the existing graal player base by advertising their server on other often times more successful servers, and start advertising online trying to pull in new players. Although I have briefly discussed this with Stefan and he agreed with me I doubt it has been given any second thought. Anyways anyone who made it this far thanks for reading my entire long-winded rant.

You have a good point and all this will be covered in the meeting.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by zokemon

I'm sorry I can't explain more. You will have to talk to me personnaly and be someone elligable for this meeting for me to give you the confidential information.

That is the WORST copout of a LEGITIMATE questionaire I have heard in my entire life.

There is absolutely nothing on graal that can be that SUPER SECRET that you need to hide it and call it "Confidential Information".

[Lord Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

That is the WORST copout of a LEGITIMATE questionaire I have heard in my entire life.

There is absolutely nothing on graal that can be that SUPER SECRET that you need to hide it and call it "Confidential Information".

Except for plans for ProjectR, that **** was locked down.

[zokemon]

You obviously have never set foot near the Graal Kingdoms development team.

[Inverness]

I believe Graal is an excellent platform for those who wish to take a crack at developing a game. Much better than those GameMaker things I hear about.

For Aeon, I will be speaker.
The viewer will be Tyreal (Tyreal_P2P).

Originally Posted by Andy0687

That is the WORST copout of a LEGITIMATE questionaire I have heard in my entire life.

There is absolutely nothing on graal that can be that SUPER SECRET that you need to hide it and call it "Confidential Information".

You must be one of the people who made Graal, so you would know, yes?
End Sarcasm.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Lord Sephiroth

Except for plans for ProjectR, that **** was locked down.

Originally Posted by zokemon

You obviously have never set foot near the Graal Kingdoms development team.

Hey since I dont talk to stefan personally or any other globals like you obviously do, then I cant say I have, champ.

Originally Posted by Inverness

You must be one of the people who made Graal, so you would know, yes?
End Sarcasm.

You must be that guy who has been working on an invisible playerworld for years yes? So you would know?

End Truth.

[zokemon]

Please stop posting on this thread if you have nothing constructive to add.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

You must be that guy who has been working on an invisible playerworld for years yes? So you would know?

End Truth.

*shrug* I've worked on Kingdoms Debug before. And what goes on concerning Aeon is none of your business really, but people have lives. I do not require your opinion, nor do I wish it. I already have some rather nice stuff in production, and unfortunately I have to script it all.

[Crono]

Good luck with whatever you want to achieve but I don't think anything big will happen. Playercount will come from unixmad's decisions.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Inverness

*shrug* I've worked on Kingdoms Debug before.

So that makes you as qualified to talk as Joe Nobody over here?

I do not require your opinion, nor do I wish it. I already have some rather nice stuff in production, and unfortunately I have to script it all.

If you dont want my opinion on something you are doing then dont be sarcastic about me personally.

Ive been playing graal long enough to know how things go. Even if people with less talent and skills are always chosen over those of us who dont steal and do our own work.

What can you do right?