Rumor has it?

coreys · #1 05-02-2006, 01:36 AM

Hmm...rumor has it that Malinko has been fired and Growlz is quit...anyone know if any of this is true?

Lyndzey · #2 05-02-2006, 01:40 AM

GrowlZ has quit.

I do not believe that Malinko has been officially fired. From what I heard, Stefan wants to speak to me about the situation first.

I think we all know that I support Malinko 100% and will put my job on the line just to keep him as a PWA.

jk jk jk

By the way, please bring back the Rumor Has It Forum, as well as FAI.

Damix2 · #3 05-02-2006, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyndzey

GrowlZ has quit.

I do not believe that Malinko has been officially fired. From what I heard, Stefan wants to speak to me about the situation first.

I think we all know that I support Malinko 100% and will put my job on the line just to keep him as a PWA.

jk jk jk

By the way, please bring back the Rumor Has It Forum, as well as FAI.

yes! bring back Fai! but not Lycia =(

I would think Malinko would be fired.

But yes, sadly the Z quit.

coreys · #4 05-02-2006, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyndzey

GrowlZ has quit.

I do not believe that Malinko has been officially fired. From what I heard, Stefan wants to speak to me about the situation first.

I think we all know that I support Malinko 100% and will put my job on the line just to keep him as a PWA.

jk jk jk

By the way, please bring back the Rumor Has It Forum, as well as FAI.

Haha, nice. Shame that Growlz quit though, I kinda liked him, as inactive as he was, lol.

Moondeath_2 · #5 05-02-2006, 01:43 AM

Rawr at Vash you little rat I told you this over aim and you steal from me .. I wanna make a thread that's important!

**MysticalDragon** · #6 05-02-2006, 02:15 AM

Yea, I don't like Lycia she stole bravo 6 years ago :P

Moondeath_2 · #7 05-02-2006, 04:05 AM

Wow I pmed malinko about what happned and he told me this.

"I quit the global job, Bab is more important to me and the people on it."

Warcaptain · #8 05-02-2006, 04:11 AM

Huzzah... now hopefully Stefan will hire people who will do the job and arent immature

Infernix · #9 05-02-2006, 04:20 AM

Rumors are true,
Im sure the next few people stefan hires will be just the same and youll trash talk them eventually because just maybe you are the ones who are immature? o wait Im going crazy let me stop.

Warcaptain · #10 05-02-2006, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Infernix

Rumors are true,
Im sure the next few people stefan hires will be just the same and youll trash talk them eventually because just maybe you are the ones who are immature? o wait Im going crazy let me stop.

agreed

Moondeath_2 · #11 05-02-2006, 04:33 AM

Moondeath for PWA *coughs*

- Ignore this post >_>

Andy0687 · #12 05-02-2006, 05:47 AM

Call me crazy but I think a semi-decent hiring should be in order by now. Just picking people is getting kind of old, look what has happened thus far right?

Lets get some people in here who have plenty of time to dedicate to making graal fun again.

protagonist · #13 05-02-2006, 07:20 AM

Rehire me, and then have the PWA get together and decide on a new member.

xAndrewx · #14 05-02-2006, 07:41 AM

Growlz did alot if you asked him.

Moondeath_2 · #15 05-02-2006, 07:53 AM

GrowlZ was the only thing good left in Playerworld Administration but now it's lame..

Darlene159 · #16 05-02-2006, 02:49 PM

I am really worried as to what will happen now with the PWA.
Who is left? Bjorn, dNeonb, and Houdiniman?
Bjorn is busy doing a lot of things, including being a Graal admin?.
Dunno about dNeonb.
Houdiniman seems to be innactive, or so I have heard from a lot of people.

I think pwa members should be chosen by other pwa members and globals. They are the ones who are familiar with a lot of members.
I don't really agree with Stefan picking them, as he does not frequent Playerworlds except Gold ones, and pwa should frequent classic/hosted type playerworlds more than gold.
I am iffy about holding tryouts for pwa also, as in having an application...unless it is a very hard application with a lot to it.
Not just a question and answer application, but maybe have several different scenerios set up that will have to be taken care of, and have them do at least one inspection, or 2.
How are you gonna know how someone will handle situations without them actually being put in that situation?

I really, really, hope that they get some good pwa members in.

Chris · #17 05-02-2006, 03:03 PM

Moonie.. Bjorn and dNeonb are the same person. So only two PWA members are left now.

Matt · #18 05-02-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Moondeath_2

GrowlZ was the only thing good left in Playerworld Administration but now it's lame..

If i recall correctly, wasn't he the least active member?

Alot of people say that, Malinko was the best, but i think that was only stated many times because he was the most active. Im sure him, and the rest of the PWA Team are not the only people who can inspect a server, all you need to know are the necessary requirements, in my opinion. Although, i am still unaware if Malinko actually helped with Playerworld issues, such as staff corruption, unfair banning, ect ect..

Anywho, i think an application should go up, hiring people because of their connections with current globals is 'unfair', in the sense that probablly 75% of Graal players want to be a global.

protagonist · #19 05-02-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

How are you gonna know how someone will handle situations without them actually being put in that situation?

Exactly.

Darlene159 · #20 05-02-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Moonie.. Bjorn and dNeonb are the same person. So only two PWA members are left now.

I didn't know that.

dNeonb · #21 05-02-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

I didn't know that.

Well, Björn ist just an account for Graal Kingdoms and Kingdoms Debug. It does not work on other servers and it's just for testing and so on.

Darlene159 · #22 05-02-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

Well, Björn ist just an account for Graal Kingdoms and Kingdoms Debug. It does not work on other servers and it's just for testing and so on.

Oh, I see....sorry for the misunderstanding

Andy0687 · #23 05-02-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

I think pwa members should be chosen by other pwa members and globals. They are the ones who are familiar with a lot of members.
I don't really agree with Stefan picking them, as he does not frequent Playerworlds except Gold ones,

I agree and disagree with this statement at the same time. The reason is pretty simple. Sometimes the PWA do not frequent. A whole lot of the classic playerworlds in order to get to know the players. They may get to know some of the Managers, and some of the either "trouble" or staff which message them a lot because of trouble.

Regardless of how you go on about doing it, it may always boil down to who someone likes and/or dosent like more then another person, regardless of how solid the application is.

Thats where it gets really hard to get good dedicated workers in I believe.

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and pwa should frequent classic/hosted type playerworlds more than gold.

I completely agree, the key word being Frequent but they should also be willing to frequent Under Construction and Hosted Playerworlds a whole lot as well, as people really do want their server reviewed by someone whos opinion matters. (Getting reviewed by another player is nice in its own way, but getting reviewed by a PWA and getting passed, its a milestone for a server).

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I am iffy about holding tryouts for pwa also, as in having an application...unless it is a very hard application with a lot to it.

Covered this above and I have to remind everyone of the Nemesis/Kish thing when he did his PWA Tryouts. It caused a lot of people grief because Kish didnt even really fill out an application, Nemesis just picked her, I dont really want to see something like that where someone so unqualified for the position gets it again.

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How are you gonna know how someone will handle situations without them actually being put in that situation?

then an application would not work because people are not put in the situation, they are proposed the situation and have [x] amount of time to sit there and rewrite and revise the way they would handle it, when it gets right down to it, who says they wont handle things diffrently?

Darlene159 · #24 05-02-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

then an application would not work because people are not put in the situation, they are proposed the situation and have [x] amount of time to sit there and rewrite and revise the way they would handle it, when it gets right down to it, who says they wont handle things diffrently?

That's why I said included in the app should be several scenerios given.
Maybe hold a fake scenerio on a UC playerworld with a volunteer/volunteers.
Something that pwa's regularly have to deal with that maybe involves more than just one step, and some simpler scenerios also.

xAndrewx · #25 05-02-2006, 07:46 PM

I think Stefan should 'promote' the current staff members. Then hire someone else to re-place that person's old job. That's how we do it on Era.

Darlene159 · #26 05-02-2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

I think Stefan should 'promote' the current staff members. Then hire someone else to re-place that person's old job. That's how we do it on Era.

I disagree as far as pwa is concerned

Warcaptain · #27 05-02-2006, 07:48 PM

I think if you are going to have an application.. it should be like any other job application for a high priority job. The stronger your experience and references.. the better you look. If someone who has only played Graal for a year decides to apply.. his chances SHOULD start out less than someone who has played for 6 years. I don't like how there are some PWA (less now with Malinko gone) that seem to just have come out of no where.. no idea who they are just *poof* new PWA.

Andy0687 · #28 05-02-2006, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

That's why I said included in the app should be several scenerios given.
Maybe hold a fake scenerio on a UC playerworld with a volunteer/volunteers.
Something that pwa's regularly have to deal with that maybe involves more than just one step, and some simpler scenerios also.

I like the idea but is this honestly a resonable scenerio? Because you yourself said Stefan really dosent frequent the other playerworlds so who would host this number of challenges? (Spark? Ibonic?) They would have to be someone very impartial to the situation, but with a good head for judgement.

Who would decide which way was the best to handle it, and what if everyone handled it in the best way possible?

Also who would have the final say on people getting in? And would the opinions of the impartial judges during this testing actually influance the decision in one way or another.

Its hard to say but on one hand Stefan picking the PWA Usually avoids a lot of trouble at the start, maybe it rubs some people the wrong way because I can understand everyone wants their fair shot. Then sometimes it causes more trouble then it is worth.

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Originally Posted by Warcaptain

I think if you are going to have an application.. it should be like any other job application for a high priority job. The stronger your experience and references.. the better you look.

You may have high Experinces and Good refrences, but did the time turn out well for you, and what was the reason your experince ended? Your refrences may be high global friends, and then we get a small conflict of interest of your friends trying to help you get into a position and now the guy who may be more suited dosent have a chance. (Hypothetical Situation).

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If someone who has only played Graal for a year decides to apply.. his chances SHOULD start out less than someone who has played for 6 years. I don't like how there are some PWA (less now with Malinko gone) that seem to just have come out of no where.. no idea who they are just *poof* new PWA.

Semi agree, but the way the staff has been picked has been somewhat like ive explained above. If you dont know someone you already have a much lower chance of getting one of the positions then you did if you knew them. Thats just how life is basically.

Darlene159 · #29 05-02-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Warcaptain

I think if you are going to have an application.. it should be like any other job application for a high priority job. The stronger your experience and references.. the better you look. If someone who has only played Graal for a year decides to apply.. his chances SHOULD start out less than someone who has played for 6 years. I don't like how there are some PWA (less now with Malinko gone) that seem to just have come out of no where.. no idea who they are just *poof* new PWA.

Malinko is actually quite well known on Graal, and was when he was hired as pwa.
Sure, experiance and refrences should be a part of the app, but the hiring should not be based highly on that.

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

I like the idea but is this honestly a resonable scenerio? Because you yourself said Stefan really dosent frequent the other playerworlds so who would host this number of challenges? (Spark? Ibonic?) They would have to be someone very impartial to the situation, but with a good head for judgement.

Who would decide which way was the best to handle it, and what if everyone handled it in the best way possible?

Also who would have the final say on people getting in? And would the opinions of the impartial judges during this testing actually influance the decision in one way or another.

Its hard to say but on one hand Stefan picking the PWA Usually avoids a lot of trouble at the start, maybe it rubs some people the wrong way because I can understand everyone wants their fair shot. Then sometimes it causes more trouble then it is worth.

Spark would be a good choice to oversee the application process, as would Lyndzey. I don't know Ibonic, but he is obviously well trusted. Spark also knows about the rules for pwa since he was pwa admin at one time.

I don't agree with Stefan hiring pwa simply because he really only knows people from gold servers, and of course, he only hires people he knows and trusts, which is not a bad thing, but there are many others who are known and trusted in the classic community where pwa need to work.

xAndrewx · #30 05-02-2006, 07:53 PM

How can you generally trust a person?

((Open thread, any reply

))

Darlene159 · #31 05-02-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

How can you generally trust a person?

Personally, I don't "generally" trust anyone.
Trust is something that is to be earned over time.
(No idea who you are talking to)

protagonist · #32 05-02-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

How can you generally trust a person?

Well, if there were a former PWA (e.g me) who did a pretty good job but quit mostly due to time/money issues, and now is available, that is one way.

I'd really like to come back to work.

Warcaptain · #33 05-02-2006, 08:39 PM

Someones pushing to be PWA big time

protagonist · #34 05-02-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Warcaptain

Someones pushing to be PWA big time

*shrug*

It makes sense, since I've already been PWA once and quit on relatively good terms (e.g. I didn't pull a Nem). Of course it's their choice, but PWA is a job, not a priviledge. The masses do not necessarily deserve equal footing with whoever else is trying for the position; it should be based on past performance, be it as a global or a local position. Common sense would seem to dictate that a previous global who left due to personal circumstances (I don't want to guess, but I think Lyndzey did) would be a wise choice to fill a relatively high-profile position.

Certainly, no average player should be given the job. A staff member who was GP on a server would make a better PWA than a normal player who has never been staff on anything, and likewise, a former PWA with a decent record would probably be safer to hire as a PWA than someone with no record.

Darlene159 · #35 05-02-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by protagonist

*shrug*

It makes sense, since I've already been PWA once and quit on relatively good terms (e.g. I didn't pull a Nem). Of course it's their choice, but PWA is a job, not a priviledge. The masses do not necessarily deserve equal footing with whoever else is trying for the position; it should be based on past performance, be it as a global or a local position. Common sense would seem to dictate that a previous global who left due to personal circumstances (I don't want to guess, but I think Lyndzey did) would be a wise choice to fill a relatively high-profile position.

Certainly, no average player should be given the job. A staff member who was GP on a server would make a better PWA than a normal player who has never been staff on anything, and likewise, a former PWA with a decent record would probably be safer to hire as a PWA than someone with no record.

It all depends on the job you did as pwa while you were pwa, and actions/behaviors after you quit, in my opinion.

I don't think that you should be held on top of everyone else just because you used to be a pwa member.

Warcaptain · #36 05-02-2006, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

It all depends on the job you did as pwa while you were pwa, and actions/behaviors after you quit, in my opinion.

I don't think that you should be held on top of everyone else just because you used to be a pwa member.

Agreed

protagonist · #37 05-02-2006, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

It all depends on the job you did as pwa while you were pwa,

Of course.

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

and actions/behaviors after you quit

Absolutely not.

When one quits a job, it is no longer their obligation to behave the same as when they were on the job. Why should someone be obligated to adhere to the PWA code of conduct when they are not PWA?

Darlene159 · #38 05-02-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by protagonist

Absolutely not.

When one quits a job, it is no longer their obligation to behave the same as when they were on the job. Why should someone be obligated to adhere to the PWA code of conduct when they are not PWA?

Not necessarily the "pwa code of conduct"
Anyone who applies for a global position should be subject to having their behavior and actions within Graal be checked into and evaluated.

Mark Sir Link · #39 05-02-2006, 11:15 PM

Here's my opinion (although no one will care, but don't bother saying you don't because no one cares about your opinions either.)

Current globals who actually play Classic/Gold playerworlds should forward a list of people they believe could do well with a PWA position to each other, and eliminate as nescessary!

Weakest Link Style.

Andy0687 · #40 05-03-2006, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Warcaptain

Someones pushing to be PWA big time

I dont want to be rude or anything, and correct me if I am wrong, but I believe people have posted some things about you pushing with stefan to make you PWA Admin, and some of your posts in the thread hint that you may hope he would pick you for next PWA. As I said, please correct me if im wrong.

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Originally Posted by protagonist

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I appriciate your stand, and I will be one of the first to say you were an amazing pwa member, and its a shame you had to stop.
However...
People with a good Managerial history may also be well looked at. Because they know how to deal with not only a mass group of people, but many troublesome people.

I dont want to pull any cards like that anyways, because now that two+ places are open, everyone is looking for a way to get in, and it needs to remain as fair and impartial as possible.