Since posting private history is illegal...

GoZelda · #1 01-09-2006, 09:21 PM

What would the punishment for staff be if they encouraged someone to post private history?

Also:

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Originally Posted by PersonA

Hey I just build this website! Please check it out and post any information you have for it.

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Originally Posted by PersonB

Learn to build a website, that is crap.

Would you think that is a flame post?

Draenin · #2 01-09-2006, 10:24 PM

1. Leeches.
2. Yes.

XGoLink · #3 01-09-2006, 10:44 PM

Fire the staff

Yes. The one who said that should be punished!

excaliber7388 · #4 01-09-2006, 11:12 PM

1 fire
2 yes

Googi · #5 01-09-2006, 11:41 PM

1. That rule is probably the stupidest on the forums.
2. No. It's not a direct insult against a person.

ApothiX · #6 01-09-2006, 11:45 PM

1) Depends on what the offence is. If it's you getting scammed and the staff member asking for the conversation between you guys, then I think it's logical that you give them the evidence they need o_O

2) It's constructive criticism, he's giving you advice by telling you to learn how to build a website

Sam · #7 01-09-2006, 11:54 PM

Are you talking about this website?

Maybe it was harsh to say it's crap, but its not one of the best at all.

ApothiX · #8 01-09-2006, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Are you talking about this website?

Maybe it was harsh to say it's crap, but its not one of the best at all.

Erm, I'm going to have to agree with whoever said it was crap. The layout is lacking, the color scheme makes me want to have a seizure and the content is far from.. entertaining?

Minoc · #9 01-09-2006, 11:58 PM

1. None, that rule should be removed.
2. No.

protagonist · #10 01-10-2006, 02:05 AM

1) Stupid rule. People shouldn't say things they wouldn't want everyone to hear. This is the internet, not confession.

2) No. Honesty should not be against the rules, ever.

Yen · #11 01-10-2006, 03:18 AM

I don't think you're allowed to give out a PM history without the other person's consent, since it can be modified? If staff were supposed to have access to PM history, it'd probably log on the server. :/

napo_p2p · #12 01-10-2006, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

Erm, I'm going to have to agree with whoever said it was crap. The layout is lacking, the color scheme makes me want to have a seizure and the content is far from.. entertaining?

Same here.

And for the topic:
1) Fire (punishiment for breaking that so-called 'rule'). Rehire.
2) Nope, unless the website has feelings.

protagonist · #13 01-10-2006, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Yen

I don't think you're allowed to give out a PM history without the other person's consent, since it can be modified? If staff were supposed to have access to PM history, it'd probably log on the server. :/

Do you know how big the PM folder would be? O_o

Darlene159 · #14 01-10-2006, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Yen

I don't think you're allowed to give out a PM history without the other person's consent, since it can be modified?

Wow, someone who actually gets it....

napo_p2p · #15 01-10-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Wow, someone who actually gets it....

I don't get it.

CidNight1142 · #16 01-10-2006, 10:31 AM

Pretty simple. For example. A harmless pm like:
"I LOVE whittling!"
could be changed easily into
"I LOVE hitler!"
and we all know Hitler is totally uncool.

xAndrewx · #17 01-10-2006, 10:54 AM

No, the other person gave you permission.
No, the website does suck. You must think it's amazing to not agree.

ApothiX · #18 01-10-2006, 03:45 PM

I thought that private history rule was strictly for the forums? If a staff member is asking you for private history to settle a claim in game, why would you be bringing forum rules into play?

Darlene159 · #19 01-10-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

I thought that private history rule was strictly for the forums? If a staff member is asking you for private history to settle a claim in game, why would you be bringing forum rules into play?

I assumed since he said "post", that he was referring to the forums. I could be wrong though

Draenin · #20 01-10-2006, 04:28 PM

It is not constructive criticism to say that a website sucks and then give no detail as to how it should be improved.

Sam · #21 01-10-2006, 04:38 PM

Perhaps I'm wrong, but the quoted sentences this thread started with reminds me on this thread: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=57620

Draenin · #22 01-10-2006, 05:20 PM

Oh, so this is some kind of revenge thread, then. Hahahaha.

Not exactly a smart move.

GoZelda · #23 01-10-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

Oh, so this is some kind of revenge thread, then.

Actually, no. This is like a year after that thread, so that doesn't make sense. I just wanted to see who agreed with me that it is a flame, or at the very least not good attitude for staff, considering I:

Did not ask for constructive criticism
Did not ask for criticism
"That is crap" isn't criticism at all
I didn't ask for opinions either
Sam later said he did that especially for me
Crap is the equivalent of ****
It was quite harsh for something not provoked, especially from a staff member
On the other hand, Andrew is staff and he can call people idiots as much as he wants

The main concern was the log-posting issue, which has occured (although the thread has been deleted). I PMed the person (on GK) if he/she was banned on the forums. She said no, why? I replied that posting logs there is illegal, after which she replied that a staffmember told her to post the log to see how it would work out.

Of course I can't really prove it as the logs could easily be forged (although that would be stupid, forging logs for such a thin thread of succes, saying someone spawned items would be easier).

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

No, the other person gave you permission.

Uh, no?

Draenin · #24 01-10-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

Actually, no. This is like a year after that thread, so that doesn't make sense. I just wanted to see who agreed with me that it is a flame, or at the very least not good attitude for staff, considering I:

1. Did not ask for constructive criticism
2. Did not ask for criticism
3. "That is crap" isn't criticism at all
4. I didn't ask for opinions either
5. Sam later said he did that especially for me
6. Crap is the equivalent of ****
7. It was quite harsh for something not provoked, especially from a staff member
8. On the other hand, Andrew is staff and he can call people idiots as much as he wants

The main concern was the log-posting issue, which has occured (although the thread has been deleted). I PMed the person (on GK) if he/she was banned on the forums. She said no, why? I replied that posting logs there is illegal, after which she replied that a staffmember told her to post the log to see how it would work out.

Of course I can't really prove it as the logs could easily be forged (although that would be stupid, forging logs for such a thin thread of succes, saying someone spawned items would be easier).

What's that I hear in the distance? Why, it's the whaaaaaaa-bulance!

ApothiX · #25 01-10-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

Did not ask for constructive criticism
Did not ask for criticism

If you don't want criticism, don't post on a public forum. Simple concept.

GoZelda · #26 01-10-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

If you don't want criticism, don't post on a public forum.

So, then what would you have advised me to do if I wanted to get that information?

ApothiX · #27 01-10-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

So, then what would you have advised me to do if I wanted to get that information?

Get what information?

GoZelda · #28 01-10-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

Get what information?

The information I requested in the thread.

ApothiX · #29 01-10-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

The information I requested in the thread.

You could have asked without posting your actual website.

GoZelda · #30 01-10-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

You could have asked without posting your actual website.

So you're saying I shouldn't have said what it was for? Just leave out a bit of essential information?

ApothiX · #31 01-10-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

So you're saying I shouldn't have said what it was for? Just leave out a bit of essential information?

Oh you could have said what it was for. But if you didn't want critique on your website, then you should have just done exactly that: say what it's for, but don't show what it's for.

GoZelda · #32 01-10-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

Oh you could have said what it was for. But if you didn't want critique on your website, then you should have just done exactly that: say what it's for, but don't show what it's for.

So eventually you think it's logical that my website gets criticised in a thread where I only asked for information?

ApothiX · #33 01-10-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

So eventually you think it's logical that my website gets criticised in a thread where I only asked for information?

Welcome to the world of public forums, where everyone is entitled to their own opinion unless Moonie says otherwise.

GoZelda · #34 01-10-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

Welcome to the world of public forums, where everyone is entitled to their own opinion unless Moonie says otherwise.

It is logical that when I ask for A I get B, then?

CidNight1142 · #35 01-10-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

What's that I hear in the distance? Why, it's the whaaaaaaa-bulance!

Roflcopter

ApothiX · #36 01-10-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

It is logical that when I ask for A I get B, then?

Judging by the website in question, yes it is.

GoZelda · #37 01-10-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

Judging by the website in question, yes it is.

You know, it could be useful if you argumentated some thing, such as why judging by the website in question all laws of physics are rendered nihil.

ApothiX · #38 01-10-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

You know, it could be useful if you argumentated some thing, such as why judging by the website in question all laws of physics are rendered nihil.

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

Erm, I'm going to have to agree with whoever said it was crap. The layout is lacking, the color scheme makes me want to have a seizure and the content is far from.. entertaining?

Also, I'm not sure what the laws of physics has to do with your crappy website

GoZelda · #39 01-10-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

Also, I'm not sure what the laws of physics has to do with your crappy website

I ment the laws of logic. And, I did not ask for an argumentation of your opinion of my website, but why judging on my website it suddenly is possible that I get A when I ask for B.

PrinceDark · #40 01-10-2006, 09:16 PM

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What would the punishment for staff be if they encouraged someone to post private history?

None. Why fire someone for encouraging someone else to do something. That other person should use their own common sense to decide whether or not to post the history.

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Would you think that is a flame post?

Yes. It is not good negative criticism at all. It is negative yes, but they don't say how the website is poorly designed, what it is lacking, or anything at all about what is wrong with the website itself.