Official Graal2001 Detailing Contest (Round 1)

Lance · #1 11-07-2005, 03:25 AM

As some of you may know, Graal2001 contains a few small, boring areas - small areas that are horribly underdetailed and nowhere near the quality of the rest of the server. For example, take a look at the the pathway from the Stefan Quest to the northern entrance of the slums. It starts off looking nice on the left side, but then suddenly drops to nothing in the way of detail. In an attempt to lighten the load of our level makers and to encourage community involvement with Graal2001, we've decided to hold an open contest to help detail some of these areas.

There will be a few rounds to this contest. Each round will feature a different area of Graal2001 that could use a bit of detailing. There will be a time limit to each round. Submissions should be sent as an attachment in an email to [email protected] that includes your account name and the round number. Once this time has elapsed, the submissions will be judged and the winner's improvements will be featured on Graal2001. There will also be some small Graal2001 prize(s) awarded to the winner (and maybe a runner-up, too) of each round.

The first round's area is the aforementioned path. The levels are in this arrangement:

NPC Code:

                worldw-08.nw -> worldx-08.nw -> worldy-08.nw

worldv-09.nw -> worldw-09.nw

worldv-09.nw is included so you can see what the nearby detailing is like. Please take special care to make a smooth transition between the levels.

The time limit for Round 1 is one week. Submissions for Round 1 are due at 11:59 PM (Pacific Time), November 13, 2005. Good luck!

Mykel · #2 11-07-2005, 04:03 AM

I've been almost as critical of you as anyone has in the past, but nice job Lance.

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Oh, and what the hell is snowflake day?

Zxion · #3 11-07-2005, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mykel

I've been almost as critical of you as anyone has in the past, but nice job Lance.

[edit]
Oh, and what the hell is snowflake day?

http://www.tv.com/clone-high-usa/sho...ode_guide.html

Search for the Snowflake Day episode...does that mean it's Jan. 26th?? (the day it aired is Jan. 26th... Maybe I should watch the episode? Tis a mystery that I'll try to figure out...)

WanDaMan · #4 11-07-2005, 09:11 AM

Great! I love the idea

Goodluck to everyone who does the levels

, I might do a few if people arn't interested

Aknts · #5 11-07-2005, 02:21 PM

So its a contest and all the winner gets is to have their levels featured on an official Graal Online supported server? What if we already have are levels on the server?

Fry · #6 11-07-2005, 02:54 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me, this way you guys don't have to do that much work and get stuff done, good luck.

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Originally Posted by Aknts

So its a contest and all the winner gets is to have their levels featured on an official Graal Online supported server? What if we already have are levels on the server?

Is that a "Can I participate in this contest even though I already have levels on Graal 2001?" question or just a "That's all?" one?
My guess is this is mostly for people who
1. want to help Graal 2001, or
2. kept complaining about nothing happening on 2k1.

Aknts · #7 11-07-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fry

Sounds like a good idea to me, this way you guys don't have to do that much work and get stuff done, good luck.

Is that a "Can I participate in this contest even though I already have levels on Graal 2001?" question or just a "That's all?" one?
My guess is this is mostly for people who
1. want to help Graal 2001, or
2. kept complaining about nothing happening on 2k1.

It's a "That's all?" one. I think you answered it by your guesses. Just seems to me that they are getting free work out of people by doing this "contest".

Spark910 · #8 11-07-2005, 04:32 PM

Can "snowflake day" be translated into an actual date (by Lance).
I am interested in G2001's release date, in the form of a normal date - not a cryptic clue.

Dach · #9 11-07-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Aknts

It's a "That's all?" one. I think you answered it by your guesses. Just seems to me that they are getting free work out of people by doing this "contest".

If you're too important to help out, don't post here.

Aknts · #10 11-07-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dach

If you're too important to help out, don't post here.

So you are determining who is allowed to post on these boards? I am allowed to post my opinion on this matter. Also I am too important. I am working on Versus, which is by far the best level detailed server ever made. Plus it has many things scripted and graphically done that well haven't really been incorporated into Graal as of yet.

I really wasn't trying to be mean at all with my above statements. I was just trying to say that when you do a contest you offer more then a tiny prize on the server. Throw in some money for the winner. You would have lots of people entering it.

Darlene159 · #11 11-07-2005, 05:11 PM

I might try doing this, if I have the time.
Good luck to all who participate

Fry · #12 11-07-2005, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aknts

It's a "That's all?" one. I think you answered it by your guesses. Just seems to me that they are getting free work out of people by doing this "contest".

Well, better than "Hai guys, make me levels plz?". Yes, contest might not be the right name for it, yet the background is that people can show off the things they make and the work on Graal 2001 will progress faster.
Don't come with "there are enugh hidden playerworlds they can become staff on", Graal 2001 is a bit more official.

Aknts · #13 11-07-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fry

Don't come with "there are enugh hidden playerworlds they can become staff on", Graal 2001 is a bit more official.

I don't understand this statement right here..? I am lost. What do you mean by it and how does that pertain to what I said?

You are right about contest being the wrong name for it. Basically it is just working for the server for only a couple levels. It's like me going:
"Hey guys I got this kick ass server but I don't want to give all my LAT's a hard load of work to do some I am doing a contest. Here is 5 levels, I want all you people to make them your style and I will pick the best and that will be featured on the server! P.S. Winners will get a small prize maybe a hat."

It would be better just to hire a detailer for the server. There is people out there who are really good at detail but thats it. Get them.

Fry · #14 11-07-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aknts

I don't understand this statement right here..? I am lost. What do you mean by it and how does that pertain to what I said?

I said people can show off their stuff on a big server..?

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Originally Posted by Aknts

You are right about contest being the wrong name for it. Basically it is just working for the server for only a couple levels. It's like me going:
"Hey guys I got this kick ass server but I don't want to give all my LAT's a hard load of work to do some I am doing a contest. Here is 5 levels, I want all you people to make them your style and I will pick the best and that will be featured on the server! P.S. Winners will get a small prize maybe a hat."
It would be better just to hire a detailer for the server. There is people out there who are really good at detail but thats it. Get them.

Graal 2001 isn't some server, and you should know what happens when you hire people, they do a few levels, get lazy/don't have time anymore, and leave.

If people think like you, no one will send him any good levels, if they don't, they will. "Justice" is quite easily served here.

Aknts · #15 11-07-2005, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fry

I said people can show off their stuff on a big server..?

Graal 2001 isn't some server, and you should know what happens when you hire people, they do a few levels, get lazy/don't have time anymore, and leave.

If people think like you, no one will send him any good levels, if they don't, they will. "Justice" is quite easily served here.

Graal2001 is some server. It's not what it was. There is more people on Graal right now that don't remember Graal2001 then there is who do. Also I don't know what you mean. Everytime I have been associated with a server there has been dedicated staff. See if people work for a server the server has to offer them something or appeal to them.

Let me give you an example. I am working for Versus previous to this I would not work on a server unless I had almost all rights possible on RC. Thats because the servers didn't appeal to me. Versus on the other hand appeals to me alot! I know that this is going to be big and I want to be apart of that.

So you have to offer people something if you want good work from them.

Mykel · #16 11-07-2005, 07:59 PM

I was one of those people who worked for a day then stopped that Fry is referring to.

Spark910 · #17 11-07-2005, 08:21 PM

Well, eitherway, I imagine some people will tryout for this and help - if not I doubt it's a big deal as they could do it themselves, but it would be nice for people who want to help to do so. Could lead to a permanent position maybe.

I like the RP letter idea too

Infernix · #18 11-07-2005, 09:47 PM

Looks like a contest to scam some levels outa people since they dont have anyone to do it "good" themselves. But eh who knows ill give yea the benefit of the doubt and say your just trying to make a little contest to promote the server.

Lance · #19 11-07-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aknts

So its a contest and all the winner gets is to have their levels featured on an official Graal Online supported server? What if we already have are levels on the server?

If you do not consider the rewards (physical or satisfactional) worthwhile or otherwise aren't interested in participating, then don't.

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Originally Posted by Aknts

It's a "That's all?" one. I think you answered it by your guesses. Just seems to me that they are getting free work out of people by doing this "contest".

By the same logic, I'm getting "free work" out of my developers, too. And they aren't even getting nifty prizes. Who is getting the better deal?

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Originally Posted by Aknts

So you are determining who is allowed to post on these boards? I am allowed to post my opinion on this matter. Also I am too important. I am working on Versus, which is by far the best level detailed server ever made. Plus it has many things scripted and graphically done that well haven't really been incorporated into Graal as of yet.

He's just offering a suggestion.

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I really wasn't trying to be mean at all with my above statements. I was just trying to say that when you do a contest you offer more then a tiny prize on the server. Throw in some money for the winner. You would have lots of people entering it.

I'd rather appeal to kindness than greed.

Lance · #20 11-07-2005, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spark910

Well, eitherway, I imagine some people will tryout for this and help - if not I doubt it's a big deal as they could do it themselves, but it would be nice for people who want to help to do so. Could lead to a permanent position maybe.

You hit the nail on the head on a few counts there.

It's just a small path off on the far side of the world.

GryffonDurime · #21 11-07-2005, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aknts

Graal2001 is some server. It's not what it was. There is more people on Graal right now that don't remember Graal2001 then there is who do.

So? Most new servers don't have ANY built-in playerbase! Perhaps because they're new? Graal2001, at it's rerelease, and especially after IIO, will have new content, balanced graphics, and some of the most exquisite levels on Graal a grace de Haunter. If we already have a group of players waiting to play in addition to influencable new droves, isn't that more of a good thing than a bad?

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Originally Posted by Aknts

Let me give you an example. I am working for Versus previous to this I would not work on a server unless I had almost all rights possible on RC. Thats because the servers didn't appeal to me. Versus on the other hand appeals to me alot! I know that this is going to be big and I want to be apart of that.

Versus didn't really strike me. I haven't seen anything that wonderous from it, but I also don't work there, ne? No offense to Wan, the Overworld is quite good, but it just dosen't seem...memorable? I don't know. Its just a certain je ne sais quoi.

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Originally Posted by Aknts

So you have to offer people something if you want good work from them.

Offer them something?
1) Prize - Check
2) Acclaim - Check
3) Exposue - Check
4) Job Opening - Check

Mykel · #22 11-08-2005, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Versus didn't really strike me. I haven't seen anything that wonderous from it, but I also don't work there, ne? No offense to Wan, the Overworld is quite good, but it just dosen't seem...memorable? I don't know. Its just a certain je ne sais quoi.

Aknts · #23 11-08-2005, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Offer them something?
1) Prize - Check
2) Acclaim - Check
3) Exposue - Check
4) Job Opening - Check

Ok lets see..

1) Like I stated before not really any prize.
2) Acclaim for making levels for Graal2001? lol yea right.
3) Exposure to who.. if your good people know you.
4) Indeed.

GryffonDurime · #24 11-08-2005, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Aknts

Ok lets see..

1) Like I stated before not really any prize.
2) Acclaim for making levels for Graal2001? lol yea right.
3) Exposure to who.. if your good people know you.
4) Indeed.

1)Considering you have no idea what the prize is, I'd say your argument there is falacious.
2)The One and Future King of Servers.
3)Unless you're good and new. Then your argument falls out the window, the window, the second story window.
4)Indeed.

GryffonDurime · #25 11-08-2005, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mykel

I just haven't seen anything really neat from it. I'm sure it's probably there.

VS vs 2001 for RP! Let's kill Valikorlia with a spoon!

Aknts · #26 11-08-2005, 01:19 AM

Well guys after talking to Lance it seems I was wrong in my assumptions. He has alot of stuff planned for future rounds of this contest and I shouldn't of bashed him. Since I talked to him these contest seem like alot of fun and it's a good thing to start early because it might help you later on in other contest.

Mykel · #27 11-08-2005, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

I just haven't seen anything really neat from it. I'm sure it's probably there.

VS vs 2001 for RP! Let's kill Valikorlia with a spoon!

Yes!

I actually love 2k1 and a lot of the ideas for Versus are based off of some ideas for 2k1.

GryffonDurime · #28 11-08-2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mykel

Yes!

I actually love 2k1 and a lot of the ideas for Versus are based off of some ideas for 2k1.

Maybe we could chat and contrast sometime

?

Mykel · #29 11-08-2005, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Maybe we could chat and contrast sometime

?

Of course.

haunter · #30 11-08-2005, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Infernix

Looks like a contest to scam some levels outa people since they dont have anyone to do it "good" themselves.

Ouch man, ouch.

excaliber7388 · #31 11-08-2005, 03:17 AM

Actually, I was thinking about doing this for DR, but then I would have been accused of trying to take some one elses work

Geno · #32 11-08-2005, 03:22 AM

a lot more is needed than level detailing. the fun is not even based on the detailed flower and rock tiles all over

Waltz5 · #33 11-08-2005, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Geno

a lot more is needed than level detailing. the fun is not even based on the detailed flower and rock tiles all over

It certainly helps a lot though Geno. And who says they aren't working on other things that you say would add fun.

Lyndzey · #34 11-08-2005, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Geno

a lot more is needed than level detailing. the fun is not even based on the detailed flower and rock tiles all over

G E N O!

Oh and what is snowflake day?

GryffonDurime · #35 11-08-2005, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyndzey

Oh and what is snowflake day?

Secret beyond secret!

So, naturally, to find out you'll need sight beyond sight!

Has anyone got the Sword of Omens?

Aknts · #36 11-08-2005, 04:05 AM

Snowflake Day is December 1st but I think it's celebrated on December 4th.. I am not sure.

Mykel · #37 11-08-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Actually, I was thinking about doing this for DR, but then I would have been accused of trying to take some one elses work

You can't pull it off the same way. G2K1 used to be a gold server. A lot of people know the map like the back of their hand. There is nostalgia, a sense of completion. Dark Rival....does not.

Inspiration · #38 11-08-2005, 03:00 PM

Are we allowed to alter worldv-09.nw if we wish, or should it remain as is?

haunter · #39 11-08-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspiration

Are we allowed to alter worldv-09.nw if we wish, or should it remain as is?

If you think it will make your submission more appealing, go for it. I don't see why not, I think Lance would agree.

Brad · #40 11-08-2005, 04:11 PM

make me a damn bomy racing shrine damnit i am king of the water