The Graal 'Bible'

Rufus · #1 02-19-2007, 10:28 PM

While looking at the Graal Bible today, I noticed the place isn't really organised, nor is it very pretty

. I'm not sure who manages all that stuff, but I've got a few suggestions in order to improve organisation and consistency to make the place a bit better.

Below are some examples of categories, then the pages and trailing-offs that could be made from them. We already have a lot of these pages, but not all of them are linked or set this way.

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Graal Online

- General Definitions



Users

- Staff

-- Global Staff Divisions

- Players



Worlds

- Gold

-- Graal Kingdoms

--- Staff

--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands

--- Things to do / Jobs / etc

--- Historic Events



-- Zone

--- Staff

--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands

--- Things to do / Jobs / etc

--- Historic Events



- Classic

-- Atlantis

--- Staff

--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands

--- Things to do / Jobs / etc

--- Historic Events



-- Classic

--- Staff

--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands

--- Things to do / Jobs / etc

--- Historic Events



-- Delteria

--- Staff

--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands

--- Things to do / Jobs / etc

--- Historic Events



-- Era

--- Staff

--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands

--- Things to do / Jobs / etc

--- Historic Events



-- N-Pulse

--- Staff

--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands

--- Things to do / Jobs / etc

--- Historic Events



-- Valikorlia

--- Staff

--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands

--- Things to do / Jobs / etc

--- Historic Events



-- Zodiac

--- Staff

--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands

--- Things to do / Jobs / etc

--- Historic Events



- Hosted

-- Aeon

--- Staff

--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands

--- Things to do / Jobs / etc

--- Historic Events



-- GraalX

--- Staff

--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands

--- Things to do / Jobs / etc

--- Historic Events



-- Relic

--- Staff

--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands

--- Things to do / Jobs / etc

--- Historic Events



- Under Construction



- Previous Worlds



Guilds



Development

- Scripting

-- Definitions

-- Tutorials



- Tiling

-- Definitions

-- Tutorials



- Graphics

-- Definitions

-- Tutorials



Forums

- Staff

- Definitions

There are also a lot more wiki features that aren't being used that could be. For example, you could use "infobox" for information such as Guild Tag, Guild Full Name, Established Time, Member Count, Guild Status -- Allies, Enemies, Preferred Worlds, etc.

To be honest, if it looked better visually and it was more organised, I think it would be used much more. I'm not even sure if it's linked on the website or not? That could also increase people using it.

Chandler · #2 02-19-2007, 10:32 PM

You are aware that contributions are needed for a wiki...right? Contribute more!

Rufus · #3 02-19-2007, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

You are aware that contributions are needed for a wiki...right? Contribute more!

I would if it were organized more.

Chandler · #4 02-19-2007, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

I would if it were organized more.

You're also aware that you can re-organize things. However, I don't see a problem with how things are organized. Which part(s) of the wiki do you think is un-organized?

Rufus · #5 02-19-2007, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

You're also aware that you can re-organize things. However, I don't see a problem with how things are organized. Which part(s) of the wiki do you think is un-organized?

I would do that too, but it's not up to me to just go around and organize everything, lol. I think things like the events which have been posted, some of them are forums, most of them are Kingdoms, maybe they should go under a Kingdoms header? Things like that.

Chandler · #6 02-19-2007, 10:39 PM

Ah, I think you're not understanding the concept of the news update.
http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/News
Is displayed when you log on Graal for the first time of day. Well, parts of it.

Rufus · #7 02-19-2007, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

Ah, I think you're not understanding the concept of the news update.
http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/News
Is displayed when you log on Graal for the first time of day. Well, parts of it.

You misunderstood me, I'm talking about things such as http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Kara...ex.php/Zormite and http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Bel%...truction_Force which have specific areas in which they are from, I used the news feature the other day :P

Chandler · #8 02-19-2007, 10:48 PM

I see, I shall go around and edit a few things. Can you find more?

Rufus · #9 02-19-2007, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

I see, I shall go around and edit a few things. Can you find more?

What do you mean, "edit a few things"? I'm very familiar with wiki's, it was just a suggestion on the layout and organization, I could do it myself.

How patronizing.

Chandler · #10 02-19-2007, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

What do you mean, "edit a few things"? I'm very familiar with wiki's, it was just a suggestion on the layout and organization, I could do it myself.

How patronizing.

Do it yourself...?

Rufus · #11 02-19-2007, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

Do it yourself...?

Edit a few things. Why don't you read what we're actually saying here?

Chandler · #12 02-19-2007, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

Edit a few things. Why don't you read what we're actually saying here?

Ok, please read on how a wiki is formed.

Rufus · #13 02-19-2007, 11:19 PM

Learn to read.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

While looking at the Graal Bible today, I noticed the place isn't really organised, nor is it very pretty

. I'm not sure who manages all that stuff, but I've got a few suggestions in order to improve organisation and consistency to make the place a bit better.

Below are some examples of categories, then the pages and trailing-offs that could be made from them. We already have a lot of these pages, but not all of them are linked or set this way.

PHP Code:


			
Graal Online
- General Definitions

Users
- Staff
-- Global Staff Divisions
- Players

Worlds
- Gold
-- Graal Kingdoms
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Zone
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

- Classic
-- Atlantis
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Classic
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Delteria
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Era
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- N-Pulse
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Valikorlia
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Zodiac
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

- Hosted
-- Aeon
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- GraalX
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Relic
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

- Under Construction

- Previous Worlds

Guilds

Development
- Scripting
-- Definitions
-- Tutorials

- Tiling
-- Definitions
-- Tutorials

- Graphics
-- Definitions
-- Tutorials

Forums
- Staff
- Definitions

There are also a lot more wiki features that aren't being used that could be. For example, you could use "infobox" for information such as Guild Tag, Guild Full Name, Established Time, Member Count, Guild Status -- Allies, Enemies, Preferred Worlds, etc.

To be honest, if it looked better visually and it was more organised, I think it would be used much more. I'm not even sure if it's linked on the website or not? That could also increase people using it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

You are aware that contributions are needed for a wiki...right? Contribute more!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

To be honest, if it looked better visually and it was more organised, I think it would be used much more. I'm not even sure if it's linked on the website or not? That could also increase people using it.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

I would if it were organized more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

You're also aware that you can re-organize things. However, I don't see a problem with how things are organized. Which part(s) of the wiki do you think is un-organized?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

While looking at the Graal Bible today, I noticed the place isn't really organised, nor is it very pretty

. I'm not sure who manages all that stuff, but I've got a few suggestions in order to improve organisation and consistency to make the place a bit better.

--

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

I would do that too, but it's not up to me to just go around and organize everything, lol. I think things like the events which have been posted, some of them are forums, most of them are Kingdoms, maybe they should go under a Kingdoms header? Things like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

Ah, I think you're not understanding the concept of the news update.
http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/News
Is displayed when you log on Graal for the first time of day. Well, parts of it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

While looking at the Graal Bible today, I noticed the place isn't really organised, nor is it very pretty

. I'm not sure who manages all that stuff, but I've got a few suggestions in order to improve organisation and consistency to make the place a bit better.

Below are some examples of categories, then the pages and trailing-offs that could be made from them. We already have a lot of these pages, but not all of them are linked or set this way.

PHP Code:


			
Graal Online
- General Definitions

Users
- Staff
-- Global Staff Divisions
- Players

Worlds
- Gold
-- Graal Kingdoms
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Zone
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

- Classic
-- Atlantis
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Classic
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Delteria
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Era
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- N-Pulse
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Valikorlia
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Zodiac
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

- Hosted
-- Aeon
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- GraalX
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

-- Relic
--- Staff
--- Server Specific Definitions / Commands
--- Things to do / Jobs / etc
--- Historic Events

- Under Construction

- Previous Worlds

Guilds

Development
- Scripting
-- Definitions
-- Tutorials

- Tiling
-- Definitions
-- Tutorials

- Graphics
-- Definitions
-- Tutorials

Forums
- Staff
- Definitions

There are also a lot more wiki features that aren't being used that could be. For example, you could use "infobox" for information such as Guild Tag, Guild Full Name, Established Time, Member Count, Guild Status -- Allies, Enemies, Preferred Worlds, etc.

--

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

You misunderstood me, I'm talking about things such as http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Kara...ex.php/Zormite and http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Bel%...truction_Force which have specific areas in which they are from, I used the news feature the other day :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

I see, I shall go around and edit a few things. Can you find more?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

While looking at the Graal Bible today, I noticed the place isn't really organised, nor is it very pretty

. I'm not sure who manages all that stuff, but I've got a few suggestions in order to improve organisation and consistency to make the place a bit better.

(Which is not you)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

What do you mean, "edit a few things"? I'm very familiar with wiki's, it was just a suggestion on the layout and organization, I could do it myself.

How patronizing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

Do it yourself...?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

Edit a few things. Why don't you read what we're actually saying here?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

While looking at the Graal Bible today, I noticed the place isn't really organised, nor is it very pretty

. I'm not sure who manages all that stuff, but I've got a few suggestions in order to improve organisation and consistency to make the place a bit better.

--

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

Ok, please read on how a wiki is formed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

I'm very familiar with wiki's, it was just a suggestion on the layout and organization, I could do it myself.

zell12 · #14 02-20-2007, 12:13 AM

Just fix it yourself

Googi · #15 02-20-2007, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Karakaze_Troupe
http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Bel%...truction_Force

Hey someone is stealing my articles.

excaliber7388 · #16 02-20-2007, 12:48 AM

.us>.net

Chandler · #17 02-20-2007, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

Learn to read.

I think that you are lazy. If you can't be bothered fixing a wiki (which is something you "contribute" to).

Devil · #18 02-20-2007, 11:53 AM

Yeah, I don't see the point. I thought you could contribute to wiki's yourself? Can't someone here edit them?

Chandler · #19 02-20-2007, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil

Yeah, I don't see the point. I thought you could contribute to wiki's yourself? Can't someone here edit them?

Yeah, you can also contribute to it. It's your Graal username and password.

Devil · #20 02-21-2007, 01:05 AM

Then why doesn't Rufus go ahead and do that?

Door · #21 02-21-2007, 01:18 AM

Um why is Graal so often like "DO IT YOURSELF AND SHUT UP" when that clearly is the main problem in so many aspects of this game? At least he's making suggestions for improvement, what are all of you doing? Insulting him for CONTRIBUTING, and yes, that is what he's doing. Suggesting IS contributing.

Show some compassion and, dare I say it, sense(from what I can tell it seems to be something the majority of you posters in this thread avoid, so sorry if it is offensive to you).

Devil · #22 02-21-2007, 01:20 AM

Oh, it took you long enough to run to Rufus's defense. A little longer than usual, but you showed.

Chandler brought up valid points, read them.

Door · #23 02-21-2007, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil

Oh, it took you long enough to run to Rufus's defense. A little longer than usual, but you showed.

Chandler brought up valid points, read them.

Why are you telling me to read someone else's points when you're the main troll in here? Come up with some of your own, like maybe additional suggestions for the Graal Wiki. As of now, all you have contributed is a slew of completely rude and senseless banter, discouraging anyone from contributing anything. Grow up, boy.

Chandler · #24 02-21-2007, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Door

Um why is Graal so often like "DO IT YOURSELF AND SHUT UP" when that clearly is the main problem in so many aspects of this game? At least he's making suggestions for improvement, what are all of you doing? Insulting him for CONTRIBUTING, and yes, that is what he's doing. Suggesting IS contributing.

Show some compassion and, dare I say it, sense(from what I can tell it seems to be something the majority of you posters in this thread avoid, so sorry if it is offensive to you).

Mainly because that is what a wiki is used for. Did you even read the thread?

zell12 · #25 02-21-2007, 09:54 AM

Holy **** just update the god damn website. Its not like 10 billion people ****ing read it anyway.

Tyhm · #26 02-21-2007, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zell12

Holy **** just update the god damn website. Its not like 10 billion people ****ing read it anyway.

We been waiting How long now?

zell12 · #27 02-21-2007, 04:38 PM

I'm just tired of the bickering going on between them, when any one of them could of updated it ... its insane.

Crono · #28 02-22-2007, 07:11 PM

What Rufus is trying to say is that the people responsible for each page should fix em up. For example if I made a 30 page story about Googi's depressing history, I should atleast put some time to organize it by chapter (Introduction to Graal, Crossdressing, Owning on the forums, Kai's Mystery, etc).

Also the fact that members have limited access in what they can do...for example deleting stuff.

Tyhm · #29 02-23-2007, 02:37 AM

's a fair point.
Then again, technically we have unlimited access: We can upload a new index, new chapter pages, etc, just have to edit the front page to show that index instead.

But yeah, it'd be better done by someone with unrestricted power.
Who?
Do we trust the forum admins to admin the Wiki?
Do we saddle the GST with page-editing?

Chandler · #30 02-23-2007, 09:52 AM

I don't like the new layout!

Gothika · #31 02-23-2007, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

I don't like the new layout!

Same here.

Crono · #32 02-24-2007, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

I don't like the new layout!

DEN CHANG IT~~

Chandler · #33 02-24-2007, 08:59 PM

We can't alter the navigation!

Crono · #34 02-24-2007, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandler

We can't alter the navigation!

ya u kan...u jus gota hav teh rite conections rofls

on a more serious note, wikis are starting to become overrated. in my opinion they should never replace proper homepages.

Tyhm · #35 02-24-2007, 10:27 PM

Proper Homepages, no, but repositories of knowledge is/are right up their alley. If Graal is no longer getting word From On High answering our many scripting questions, a Wiki is perfect for sharing our wisdom amongst ourselves.

We still have the problem of a naturally combative system of graalvernment, but that's life.

Crono · #36 02-24-2007, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyhm

Proper Homepages, no, but repositories of knowledge is/are right up their alley. If Graal is no longer getting word From On High answering our many scripting questions, a Wiki is perfect for sharing our wisdom amongst ourselves.

We still have the problem of a naturally combative system of graalvernment, but that's life.

i feel that they don't care about the normal homepage anymore and just rely on the wiki...i mean what happened to the good ol bunches of news and such? they can atleast say something about the game world

Tyhm · #37 02-25-2007, 01:11 AM

Oh my yes, they DO need to finish with the whole new website they promised 6 months ago. See also: The How To Save Graal conflagration. Which is too bad, some of us were looking forward to the advertising campaign.

On the other hand, they never deigned to charge annually for the lifetime accounts, so no worries.