Graal Classic

Alure1316 · #1 04-23-2006, 05:15 AM

anyone else feel like....it's not "classic" anymore?

:EDITED CUS I CAN'T MAKE NEW POSTS OR REPLIES..WTF:

i don't like UN either. it's a server full of the same thing to do, oVER AND OVER AND OVER. today i saw this guy turn his body into a door. i was like ...wtf? also, the quests are so whack. they're like 10x + a lot worse than what the old graal quests were.

and good thing you're not gonna put guns rofl

also, i been playing since like.. august 98 (different account though, forgot what it was called but i believe it had either my name or last name it 'cesar' or 'gardea' or cgt or some **** i dunno but who cares)

but as the last guy who posted said..it doesn't take 1 year to make...NOTHING.

i never knew it took 1 year to make big city (if that's what that island up there even is...), and swamp town, and fake snow town, and destiny...

also, what i don't like about classic is that the new LATs are making "new era" levels. me, being an old school player

like to see the old tiles. just "house floor" and "kitchen" and "muk" tiles

. not castles tiles combined with housewall corners.

so yeah.

this "classic" is turning out to be someone elses "classic". mind as well just call it...UNHOLY NATION + DELTERIA + NPULSE version 2

Malinko · #2 04-23-2006, 05:23 AM

Whoa!

There are ongoing threads about this opinion for a lot of months now, perhaps search some of the threads concerning Classic within the last few months and read to catch up in all hot information!

Mafukie · #3 04-23-2006, 05:29 AM

hello my name is classic,

Please move onto how terrible Unholy Nation is.

thanks,
Classic

Malinko · #4 04-23-2006, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mafukie

hello my name is classic,

Please move onto how terrible Unholy Nation is.

thanks,
Classic

Man, Unholy Nation rocks.

Googi · #5 04-23-2006, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Malinko

Man, Unholy Nation rocks.

You're PWA, so stop compromising your impartiality.

Malinko · #6 04-23-2006, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

You're PWA, so stop compromising your impartiality.

I'm allowed to have an opinion.

Googi · #7 04-23-2006, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Malinko

I'm allowed to have an opinion.

You're allowed to do a lot of things.

Polo · #8 04-23-2006, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Alure1316

anyone else feel like....it's not "classic" anymore?

At the end of the day, we aren't trying to please the same players as we had 5/6 years ago. That, coupled which some major events beyond my control, has meant that were developing it a little differently.

Don't worry though, we're not gonna start having guns or cars or anything silly like that lol!

Sulukra · #9 04-23-2006, 06:38 AM

However Malinko, one thing you are not allowed to do.

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Originally Posted by Malinko

I want to get into all the action.

Is get into all the action on Zone.

Sorry.

Unpredlctable · #10 04-23-2006, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Polo

At the end of the day, we aren't trying to please the same players as we had 5/6 years ago. That, coupled which some major events beyond my control, has meant that were developing it a little differently.

Sure, you're not trying to make the server like it was several years ago. That doesn't mean, "take a year to accomplish virtually nothing."

jacob_bald6225 · #11 04-23-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Malinko

There are ongoing threads about this opinion for a lot of months now...

Maybe that means there is a problem!

maximus_asinus · #12 04-23-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Polo

At the end of the day, we aren't trying to please the same players as we had 5/6 years ago. That, coupled which some major events beyond my control, has meant that were developing it a little differently.

Don't worry though, we're not gonna start having guns or cars or anything silly like that lol!

Not trying to please the players who've been there for over five years? I wonder if you noticed how they make up more than half of the players who log on (the rest being trial accounts).

Really you have no excuse, we went through almost a year with no work being done to the server whatsoever, given excuses such as we can't release anything until GS2, or we need this function enabled. Well GS2 is enabled, and most of the functions you asked for exist. The problem is, you're all focused on the new hit detection system (which, from my perspective wasn't needed, you could have simply rescripted the bombs and arrows as projectiles, and no, the system didn't have to be rescripted to detect the damage from them, I can see numerious other playerworlds who managed to do this without new hit detection).

Now onto the most recent developments? The expansion of the overworld? This could have been done a year ago, as nothing needed to be converted because you removed all the NPCs from Babord/Avalon (aswell as all the inside levels that went along with them, we see a larger area of the overworld, but why is it expanded? It doesn't have any real content in it). Quests? We have the same two quests, (one without any real reward) for almost a year now. We were promised a new quest at one point in Onnet, which fell through, and then another quest, the castle quest, which has been ready for release for awhile, but is still being held back for some unknown reason.

I have a lot more complaints but I'll save them for Storm's next reply. I hope it is true that Malinko got the go ahead to make a converted Classic.

Mark Sir Link · #13 04-23-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

Not trying to please the players who've been there for over five years? I wonder if you noticed how they make up more than half of the players who log on (the rest being trial accounts).

They're trying to appeal to an audience which Stefan is not interested in (non paying players) which should really be cause for Stefan to do something already

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Really you have no excuse, we went through almost a year with no work being done to the server whatsoever, given excuses such as we can't release anything until GS2, or we need this function enabled. Well GS2 is enabled, and most of the functions you asked for exist. The problem is, you're all focused on the new hit detection system (which, from my perspective wasn't needed, you could have simply rescripted the bombs and arrows as projectiles, and no, the system didn't have to be rescripted to detect the damage from them, I can see numerious other playerworlds who managed to do this without new hit detection).

not to mention they were offered coded bombs and arrows to work with default movement when NPC-Server Classic was released.

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Now onto the most recent developments? The expansion of the overworld? This could have been done a year ago, as nothing needed to be converted because you removed all the NPCs from Babord/Avalon (aswell as all the inside levels that went along with them, we see a larger area of the overworld, but why is it expanded? It doesn't have any real content in it).

this is the real winner in your post

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Quests? We have the same two quests, (one without any real reward) for almost a year now. We were promised a new quest at one point in Onnet, which fell through, and then another quest, the castle quest, which has been ready for release for awhile, but is still being held back for some unknown reason.

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Originally Posted by jake13jake

The castle has been near ready for months

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I have a lot more complaints but I'll save them for Storm's next reply. I hope it is true that Malinko got the go ahead to make a converted Classic.

I want to hear them now

Malinko · #14 04-23-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sulukra

However Malinko, one thing you are not allowed to do.

Is get into all the action on Zone.

Sorry.

You killed me on Zone: Guild Wars so much! I will get revenge.

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Originally Posted by jacob_bald6225

Maybe that means there is a problem!

It's possible!

Thallen · #15 04-23-2006, 05:12 PM

Graal doesn't care what you like, since about 4-5 years ago.

-Ching · #16 04-23-2006, 05:56 PM

Oh God Not Again

Sulukra · #17 04-24-2006, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Alure1316

but as the last guy who posted said..it doesn't take 1 year to make...NOTHING.

Mind you, theres a whole lot of nothin' out there on Graal. So who knows, maybe it does take time to make nothing?

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Originally Posted by Malinko

You killed me on Zone: Guild Wars so much! I will get revenge.

Was that you I was repeatedly mech stomping on?

Polo · #18 04-24-2006, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

not to mention they were offered coded bombs and arrows to work with default movement when NPC-Server Classic was released.

Uh... no. That's 100% false. We've enever been given any such offer.

New hit detection is needed because of the need to move to serverside hit detection. I've gotta say this whole story is getting boring, and I'm tired of giving the same old answers, which everyone then ignores.

Mark Sir Link · #19 04-24-2006, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Polo

Uh... no. That's 100% false. We've enever been given any such offer.

New hit detection is needed because of the need to move to serverside hit detection. I've gotta say this whole story is getting boring, and I'm tired of giving the same old answers, which everyone then ignores.

100% true to be accurate. I offered both to Racil AND Selflon.

What need is there to serverside hit detection? Believe it or not, client HP edits the same using the built in movement.

Polo · #20 04-24-2006, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

What need is there to serverside hit detection? Believe it or not, client HP edits the same using the built in movement.

More secure, gives better overall lag performance. Behaves more fairly to players (ie: being extra laggy is not an advantage). Also brings it inline with how most online games work.

Andy0687 · #21 04-24-2006, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I hope it is true that Malinko got the go ahead to make a converted Classic.

I dont know what this means but if you have to ask yourself "Did malinko" and "Get the go ahead" along with "To do anything with any playerworld" the answer is usually yes.

pacMASTA · #22 04-24-2006, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Thallen

Graal doesn't care what you like, since about 4-5 years ago.

Actully graal stop caring when they hit Compile Code, and uploaded it to graalclassic.com

Oh god how i miss graalclassic.com Why cant we bring that back have paying people play on graalgold.com and maybe pick 2 servers such as Unholy Nation (Since theirs tons of trials) and Classic (MAYBE SOMONE WILL PLAY IT) and make that total Free to play via graalclassic.com version of the Graal client

Tyhm · #23 04-24-2006, 08:21 AM

ONO CLASSIC ISN'T CLASSIC ANYMORE!

That's why I gave up and changed the name to Graal: The Adventure. If I had my druthers I'd continue my offer to let anyone who thought they could do better try it - you either
A) freeze it in carbonite as The Perfect Version, that time between 1.38 and 1.39a or Way back before 1.26 or whatever (in which case people complain in fact you have the WRONG version and you suck for not uploading their house) OR
B) you start with a version you like and add to it (in which case EVERYONE complains Classic was never like that, and by the way won't you please upload their house)

I been there the other day. It ain't great, and I think it was foolhardy to bring back the old tileset and delete all these things my team spent so many hours working on in the first place just so a new team can spend hours working on it again, but I seen the plan - it looks solid. It isn't The Adventure yet, nor is it Classic, but it will be The Adventure again. And when it is, I'll be on the petition to make it the official free-newbie server, even if nobody else likes that theory. One server where newbies can save a minimum of information (I looked over the old script - if it saved King Tristam's two-digit int variable, the rest could be extrapolated from that) and paying clients can save every last detail...but I digress.

Yeah, Classic needs work. Mark, you probably DID try and send 'em the scripts, but as a former LAT admin, we've NEVER been humble enough to let other people do our jobs. It took me 3 years before I'd accept Kyle0654's Bank Card script, (and when it broke and he vanished I was SOL...)
so yeah. And now they're getting the quests back up. Recoding baddies from the ground up with a custom movement and a custom hit detection system - no small task - but I've looked it over and default ain't gonna cut it. Especially after making you all wait so long.
My point is, if you think you can do a better job of it, do a better job of it. Last check the LAT need help. Ask them for the hit methodology (which function to send and recieve), get a quest nobody else has touched, fix it and send it in. If you can do it without putting a personal touch on it (retiling EVERYTHING, etc) I authorize you to complain...everyone else, remember fondly that which can never be again.

Link3001 · #24 04-24-2006, 06:30 PM

*hugs geshrine.graal*

I love it. And I love it even more you let me use it, years ago.

It needs no personal touch. It is perfect as it is.

BruceLee2000 · #25 04-24-2006, 07:16 PM

Still has the best people

Alure1316 · #26 04-25-2006, 03:00 AM

i thought tyhm was spelled "Thym".
that's what it said in Thym's Quest entrance

but. i really hope they can bring the damn server back. the whole year they were working on that whack hit detection script. which totally sucks btw, can't even spar with it anymore. you kill yourself if you throw a bush to your right (if you had less than 1 heart of course....), also you can hit yourself with arrows and other things X_X.

but even if they do bring it upside down and make it all good, i don't think most players will be happy or even be around after waiting that long :|

but, i'm just hoping they release EVERYTHING soon. i don't want to wait another year to find out that massokres player movement and hit detection is different from ours, like what happened last year. or that they released another fake town with nasty tiles. like npulse or delteria..ewww....

Angel_Light · #27 04-25-2006, 03:42 AM

If you guys are so dissatisfied about Graal now. TAKE ACTION so the future of graal will seem more... reasonable?

ViCtOrEhEhEh · #28 04-25-2006, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel_Light

If you guys are so dissatisfied about Graal now. TAKE ACTION so the future of graal will seem more... reasonable?

You are the one me and Napo caught uploading RPG Maker Tiles and saying you made them.

On-Topic: I agree with Rabbit aka Seize (Alure1316) since Classic needs to shape up, really.