This is BullSh*t.

Aknts · #1 02-12-2002, 04:40 AM

As most of you know I was one of the richest or was the richest person on Graal2001 about a month ago. I was hacked and they person took everything. I ask BirdBird and he says its not Graal2001's responsibility..I pay for this game I have 5 accounts. All for year subscriptions. So I think it is Graal2001 responsibility. I payed for that server!! I wasn't all upset about the hacking but all I wanted was my Paper Hat back, it completed me...I said forget all the money can I just have my Paper Hat back and I get no answer. Plus if the staff wasn't lazy they could easily look in the logs and see who took my stuff.

milotheman · #2 02-12-2002, 04:42 AM

sux0rs for you

AlkarenHyralt · #3 02-12-2002, 04:44 AM

Didn't I give you a paper hat back before?

Aknts · #4 02-12-2002, 04:48 AM

Uhh...No I haven't played since I was hacked.

Birdbird_0 · #5 02-12-2002, 04:59 AM

the graal bible!

Torankusu · #6 02-12-2002, 05:01 AM

you were no where close to being the richest a month ago.

Nastazio · #7 02-12-2002, 05:03 AM

I'm sure if birdbird was hacked he would replace his things right away....

Torankusu · #8 02-12-2002, 05:04 AM

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Originally posted by Nastazio
I'm sure if birdbird was hacked he would replace his things right away....

duh.

all i remember spanky having is about 11000-13000 gralats and a paper hat that he really liked.

ArchOwl · #9 02-12-2002, 05:11 AM

LOSS OF ITEMS (back)
There are many items that players accumulate during regular gameplay, through quests, through sparring and events. In rare cases, these items can be inexplicably lost. Often, GraalOnline staff will have a record of these items and can trace the reason for the loss. If it is clear that the items was lost through neither the fault of the player or gameplay, or if the loss of the item creates imbalances in player power or gameplay, GraalOnline staff will try to replace the item. In cases where it is not directly evident that the items existed, or that the item wasn’t lost through game play or a bug, GraalOnline staff will not replace or repair the items. The decision to replace items is the sole discretion of GraalOnline staff.

Because GraalOnline content evolves so quickly and because normal MMP gameplay can introduce MANY different and unpredictable elements, items should never be trusted to ALWAYS behave in a perfectly predictable manner.

In very rare instances, an item may have to be confiscated if it is seriously in error. Certain GraalOnline staff members are authorized to remove faulty items. In some cases, they can replace it with another item if there is one that provides similar benefits/powers of the one removed). Again, this can take place at GraalOnline’s sole discretion.

zell12 · #10 02-12-2002, 05:11 AM

I'd say they should have some flags that go in the npc server for every player, and it records everything done... and like, stuff

Torankusu · #11 02-12-2002, 05:13 AM

there were logs for things like gralats.

zell12 · #12 02-12-2002, 05:24 AM

I Think I found a spelling error in that rules page thing:
its in Delays/Slowdowns, and its in the or around, the seventh sentance (Line 11)....

"because he or she is having problems with a local network node."

Aknts · #13 02-12-2002, 05:28 AM

Can I just have my paper hat back?

zell12 · #14 02-12-2002, 05:28 AM

Read this:

Should it appear that your character or its tools/items has changed unexpectedly, subscribers may inform us in the Graal2K forum for bug reporting or by speaking to the appropriate Staff directly. GraalOnline staff will attempt to investigate the problem, and may, at its sole discretion, authorize adjustments to your character or inventory. Some Staff members are empowered to make many on-the-spot decisions about replacement, but some situations will require approval from GraalOnline management.

That means that someone has to look at the logs and other carp to find out the problem

Sir_Gareth · #15 02-12-2002, 06:05 AM

Hmm and when does this happen,
I havemnt got my minerals back,
damn maybe staff should read over
the "Graal bible" a few times,

Birdbird_0 · #16 02-12-2002, 06:07 AM

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Originally posted by Nastazio
I'm sure if birdbird was hacked he would replace his things right away....

I bet birdbird wouldn't be stupid enough to go to any sites or download anything that would get his pass hacked.

Psyker · #17 02-12-2002, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by Birdbird_0

I bet birdbird wouldn't be stupid enough to go to any sites or download anything that would get his pass hacked.

I bet he would be.

Sometimes.

Lord-Andrew · #18 02-12-2002, 06:16 AM

I bought spanky a paper hat, but that was after the hacking. I tried to buy him another paper hat, but no one would sell, plus he stopped going on g2k1

funnylinkwantsbomys · #19 02-12-2002, 06:28 AM

birdbird some people don't have to be connected to and hacked and things....there is always a way to hack a account...even if the password is 10 letters long...but they would have to be a good hacker...and if u have a thing where only your ip can connect like 45.120.402.*** someone probbialy could get a spoof off of someone in that ip range and boom they got ya account...but most hackers would find a ip or the ports you use through aim and connect ez :/ its possable but not very likely only if they are the most desprite person in the world :/

Providence_Admin3 · #20 02-12-2002, 06:29 AM

Birdbird gave me my diamond axe back (after the time warp. when it warped, i lost basically everything).

Admins · #21 02-12-2002, 07:25 AM

Normally we can't give back stuff, especially
when it is 20000 gralats because it would mean
to double the items (the hacker has probably given
it to other innocent people). But when using Windows
it's so easy to get hacked even when you try to
download patches, disable stuff etc., so that you
should get something back, and if possible take it
away from the people who got it. There is a log
for npc stuff, including bomys and hats, so if its something
valueable then it should be possible to transfer it
back.

funnylinkwantsbomys · #22 02-12-2002, 07:28 AM

stefan shouldn't there be a way to ask a rc to make it so only your ip works if you have cable? or lan? because it would make it alot harder to get hacked..

SSRobgeta · #23 02-12-2002, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan
Normally we can't give back stuff, especially
when it is 20000 gralats because it would mean
to double the items (the hacker has probably given
it to other innocent people). But when using Windows
it's so easy to get hacked even when you try to
download patches, disable stuff etc., so that you
should get something back, and if possible take it
away from the people who got it. There is a log
for npc stuff, including bomys and hats, so if its something
valueable then it should be possible to transfer it
back.

Speking of losing stuff... I hate the stands recycle thing. I lost my diamond axe from that. You sow make it so if the person gets offline their items are hidden until they come back.

Er1c · #24 02-12-2002, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by funnylinkwantsbomys
stefan shouldn't there be a way to ask a rc to make it so only your ip works if you have cable? or lan? because it would make it alot harder to get hacked..

That's a good idea...

Remember when you got hacked and I apple scammed (I'd like to call it gambling) all your money back and then some? lol

funnylinkwantsbomys · #25 02-12-2002, 08:22 AM

yep lol

Python523 · #26 02-12-2002, 08:34 AM

I've seen an excert of the logs (Loriel showed me a little bit of it) and it is very confusing, think of this, EVERY single stand, gralat dropped and picked up, bomy trade, hat/item drop, and trade is recored in ONE txt file, the file gets to be a few megabytes big

Aknts · #27 02-12-2002, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aknts
Can I just have my paper hat back?

zell12 · #28 02-12-2002, 09:02 AM

lol, thats all he wants...

Aknts · #29 02-12-2002, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zell12
lol, thats all he wants...

Yeah is it really to much to ask for after loosing all that gralat, hats, and items?

poison_fly_2000 · #30 02-12-2002, 09:34 AM

Get over it !

Python523 · #31 02-12-2002, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by poison_fly_2000
Get over it !

I hope you get 'hacked' and start complaining

galen · #32 02-12-2002, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aknts
Yeah is it really to much to ask for after loosing all that gralat, hats, and items?

Gimme the date of the hack and your account name (Aknts?) so I can grep the logs

Aknts · #33 02-12-2002, 12:29 PM

I have no idea what day it was all I know is it was in January...I posted on the forums that day let me go look back.

Aknts · #34 02-12-2002, 12:41 PM

It was around 1-05 to 1-08 between there.

JoshTheN64Guy · #35 02-12-2002, 03:25 PM

Accounts get hacked but I think admins should give you what ever you lose since you are paying cold hard cash for playing on that server. My account got reset for a dumb reason and I lost all my money and all my npcs. Admins should give you the stuff back sheesh, they too lazy to click on their RC button and type a command?

Bird2prey · #36 02-12-2002, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JoshTheN64Guy
Accounts get hacked but I think admins should give you what ever you lose since you are paying cold hard cash for playing on that server. My account got reset for a dumb reason and I lost all my money and all my npcs. Admins should give you the stuff back sheesh, they too lazy to click on their RC button and type a command?

What staff don't realise is that Graal is no longer a free service, it is a product.

JoshTheN64Guy · #37 02-12-2002, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bird2prey

What staff don't realise is that Graal is no longer a free service, it is a product.

Maby they dont do it on free servers but on the p2p they should since you are paying for it, but I guess they dont do refunds but its $40 a year!

Birdbird_0 · #38 02-12-2002, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bird2prey

What staff don't realise is that Graal is no longer a free service, it is a product.

oh we do know people pay for the game, but we can't just give out gralats and items just because you said you got hacked.

Too many people take advantage of that. (like lying about what they lost or didn;t lose at all)

Bird2prey · #39 02-12-2002, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Birdbird_0

oh we do know people pay for the game, but we can't just give out gralats and items just because you said you got hacked.

Too many people take advantage of that. (like lying about what they lost or didn;t lose at all)

Perhaps your policy should be we just don't let hackers stroll around messing with our customers.

Birdbird_0 · #40 02-12-2002, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bird2prey

Perhaps your policy should be we just don't let hackers stroll around messing with our customers.

Its not personaly graalonlines fualt if you get hacked,
the hackers do not go though the gservers or rc's
to get your passes, they get it from outside means,
so we are not responsible for hackings.
Now if there were hackings with graalonline, the situation

with mafukie and like, the leaked passes with the php errors
like a month or two ago happens

you can get trojans, html bugs, downloads from your computer that take the graal registry codes, not all people who play graal
are ssjgoku0931 and know didily squat ya know.

*goes to secretly play dbz mod for hl*

just kidding