What is the matter with playerworlds?

Falcor · #1 12-14-2001, 10:06 PM

My views:

Everyone that tries out making a level and makes a semi-sucessful one, or a new scripter makes a pretty cool NPC, The over whemining majority of them decide to make a playerworld. Is this the right mindset?

Do we let people who have no Idea how to run a good playerworld, who just started graal, or has childish steriotipical Newbie server Ideas to make a playerworld?

I have no problem with people making playerworld but I have a problem with the mindset of the new players.

Players play on a server and say, "Can I be staff?". The server owner says no. So what do they do? Make thier own playerworld. Just for power mainly. So what can we do about this?

My Solution would be to make a stronger filter for playerworld application to be sent through. Some servers with innaproperate material made by newbies with a hunger for power have gotten throught (not namming any) So how do they seemingly get by?

Would maybe an account exsistence limit be set up? Such as your account must be regesterd for 1 year befor you may star a project?

What solutions could we have to make the playerworld community a better one to be a part of and not a playground of new playyers with FTP.

Any ideas? :confussed:

haromaru · #2 12-14-2001, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by Falcor
Some servers with innaproperate material made by newbies with a hunger for power have gotten throught (not namming any) So how do they seemingly get by?

We didn't have a playerworld team that knew good levels from bad back then.

AlexH · #3 12-15-2001, 01:03 AM

and an account limitation wouldnt really do any good
some people have numerous accounts
whereas others only have one

Yakuna2001 · #4 12-15-2001, 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by Falcor
My views:

Everyone that tries out making a level and makes a semi-sucessful one, or a new scripter makes a pretty cool NPC, The over whemining majority of them decide to make a playerworld. Is this the right mindset?

Do we let people who have no Idea how to run a good playerworld, who just started graal, or has childish steriotipical Newbie server Ideas to make a playerworld?

I have no problem with people making playerworld but I have a problem with the mindset of the new players.

Players play on a server and say, "Can I be staff?". The server owner says no. So what do they do? Make thier own playerworld. Just for power mainly. So what can we do about this?

My Solution would be to make a stronger filter for playerworld application to be sent through. Some servers with innaproperate material made by newbies with a hunger for power have gotten throught (not namming any) So how do they seemingly get by?

Would maybe an account exsistence limit be set up? Such as your account must be regesterd for 1 year befor you may star a project?

What solutions could we have to make the playerworld community a better one to be a part of and not a playground of new playyers with FTP.

Any ideas? :confussed:

yeah, your right... i mean, how on earth did warcaptains server get through x_X he only made it cause he got fired from bravo :P lol

Falcor · #5 12-15-2001, 03:13 AM

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Originally posted by AlexH
and an account limitation wouldnt really do any good
some people have numerous accounts
whereas others only have one

Not necisaraly. True some people have multiple accounts. But do all of thiere accounts have 1 year or more on them?

vovavziggy · #6 12-15-2001, 03:15 AM

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Originally posted by Falcor

Not necisaraly. True some people have multiple accounts. But do all of thiere accounts have 1 year or more on them?

Sir, why are you a pickle?

Olorin · #7 12-15-2001, 04:41 AM

Hey, how about if I made a PW?

T-Squad · #8 12-15-2001, 06:06 AM

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Originally posted by Olorin
Hey, how about if I made a PW?

Gah...

I hate it when people with lots of experiance says they are making a PW.

Well maybe soon enough you will realize the hardships of it, mainly, lack of anyone who can provide any help...

Only people you have known for a while will help, and if not then only those with no skill...you end up doing everything yourself, which proove near impossible.

yoshee15 · #9 12-15-2001, 06:28 AM

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Originally posted by vovavziggy

Sir, why are you a pickle?

NOOooOo yourr stupid!!! hes a big fat cucumber!!!

Olorin · #10 12-15-2001, 06:51 AM

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Originally posted by T-Squad

Gah...

I hate it when people with lots of experiance says they are making a PW.

Well maybe soon enough you will realize the hardships of it, mainly, lack of anyone who can provide any help...

Only people you have known for a while will help, and if not then only those with no skill...you end up doing everything yourself, which proove near impossible.

I have the support of a few people and I know how to do things really, because I have done them all before mostly LOL!

zell12 · #11 12-15-2001, 07:12 AM

well... I'd say about everyone of the good scripters/level makers are already working on a project or with NW, so its kinda hard to get a good p/w project started

phrost-byte · #12 12-15-2001, 10:07 AM

I disagree.. The whole reason of being a owner is to work hard. The reason most poeple's playerworlds don't get up is because the owner does not do any work, and has all the LAT's do the work. If the owner didnt do 75% of the playerworld, I'm pretty sure it would blow. Besides if he didn't do 75% or close to that ammount he wouldn't really be owner. Thus he would be a founder.

Well at least tahts what I think :/

sandin · #13 12-15-2001, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by vovavziggy

Sir, why are you a pickle?

omg...go away

T-Squad · #14 12-15-2001, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Olorin

I have the support of a few people and I know how to do things really, because I have done them all before mostly LOL!

I'm sure you know how to do this, as do I. But one person is not enough to create a great PW. Maybe the average PW, and maybe a bad PW (which graal has the highest percentage of) but not a great PW, not unless you were willing to spend years on it. Although it is possible...you would need some programmng skills to make things like a auto-level-detailer.

If I didn't think it possible, I wouldn't be doing it. But you I believe have been staff most of the time, its very much so different to be the owner. Although I haven't been staff of anything for a long while (since CDA) I know this.

But if you simply care to get the average PW up, then don't listen to me. If you think you are great simply because you have been playing long, and have been in admin positions, don't listen. But if you are willing to take my advice it would save much time...so here it is. Get great staff to make a great PW, or you will be workng for a while. Otherwise quit...although my plans are different and I won't reveal.

Brad_Elven · #15 12-15-2001, 11:08 AM

I have done 90 - 95% of babylons levels =/

T-Squad · #16 12-15-2001, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Brad_Elven
I have done 90 - 95% of babylons levels =/

I have done 100% of Murasamune levels (simply because it is level generated

)

phrost-byte · #17 12-15-2001, 11:39 AM

I did not say that the Owner must do all the work, NORE did I say that you were wrong. I just disagreed and mentioned that a Owner should make most of the playerworld, If he only run's it, then he is a founder, not a owner.

royce · #18 12-15-2001, 11:56 AM

i've done 95% of Eternal Destiny's outside levels...in my opinion a founder is someone that created the server. The owner has alot of work to do with the playerworld alone and is usually setting everybody straight and fixing alot of things but when thats not in action yes he/she participates in the making of the playerworld.

G_yoshi · #19 12-15-2001, 02:18 PM

I have been pretty much doing all the work since day 1

But I don't mind really...I am very picky anyway and want things to be specific and to how I want them...now, if I could just get some good NPC scriptors on my hands :/

haromaru · #20 12-15-2001, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by T-Squad

I'm sure you know how to do this, as do I. But one person is not enough to create a great PW. <snip>

Well, following back on the grand timeline of history, Olorin did try and make a playerworld once. And it was a pretty good one, too.

T-Squad · #21 12-16-2001, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by haromaru

Well, following back on the grand timeline of history, Olorin did try and make a playerworld once. And it was a pretty good one, too.

I don't care about "pretty good". No one has ever seen a great PW, because its never been made. Faheria is on the right track, from some things we have all seen, but I'm not on staff so I can't judge.

No one will understand what a great PW is until one comes out, which (sadly) won't be for a while, Faheria has a long ways to go for one, and any other project will have a long way to.

grim_squeaker_x · #22 12-16-2001, 04:46 AM

Actually I think that often happens because the good scripter/level maker/artist thinks his talents aren't being put to a good use and then decide to just make their own playerworld. I'd do that but I'm far too lazy. ;P

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Faheria_LAT3 · #23 12-16-2001, 05:40 AM

It's kinda sad when even the owner of the game can't make a great playerworld.