Spar Problem

[Kohola_KinG]

Can we remove this elo system that was recently added? It's actually making people avoid the spar complex than encourage them to spar. I am finding it hard to get people to spar me now as they do not want to upset their elo rating.

Not to mention Rogue released the system unfinished. And why are they in #graals and not communitys?

Can we remove this system until more work is done on it or you come up with a better idea?

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

Can we remove this elo system that was recently added? It's actually making people avoid the spar complex than encourage them to spar. I am finding it hard to get people to spar me now as they do not want to upset their elo rating.

It's just a number, it doesn't mean anything.
We might do other things with it later; I honestly haven't logged on in weeks though... the ranked spar would still be blocked off lol.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

It's just a number, it doesn't mean anything.
We might do other things with it later; I honestly haven't logged on in weeks though... the ranked spar would still be blocked off lol.

Then remove it if it's so pointless? It means something to people when they refuse to spar me or lose once then run and keep checking /elo.

If you're going to do things with it later, that's great. I'd love to see updates on the spar complex but release it when it's finalized.

[Fiberwyre_P2P]

It's funny how the ELO system was invented to rate chess players against eachother.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

[geneticfrog]

I AM assumin you are telling people with higher rating then you to spar?

its the basic rating spar with sword on UN or classic, npulse and others.

some people get ego's about the rate and or want to get highest possible so they only face equal or better ratings.

also why they made rating spar rooms you need to reach a certain "ratinG" to enter so people can face the spare "rating" people in the threshold.

while others just dont care about a number and still get good ratin because they are skilled.

[Zongui]

some people just care too much. i just go out there and win or lose. lose most of the time tho.

[geneticfrog]

oh yeah i forgot to mention theres a second rating as well combined with the current rating.its based on how many times you sparred that month since its reset every month. so you can tell if its a high rating person that never spars VS a constantly sparrin pro.

at the end of the month the #1 spar winner leader gest a hat ticket price (this is on UN).

same thing with event winner the #1 gets a prize so this encourages people to compete for the prizes.

since on UN hat ticket = create a 1 of a kind hat for yourself or to sell thats why they have so many hats lmao.

2 new hats per month minimum.

[natchez416]

If you're having spar problems I feel bad for you son...

[paintballdude956]

The idea behind this was simple and twofold.
1. Implement a new spar system so we could (soon) release an "MVP-shop" or even gang point shop for sparring. If we based it on the old ranking system, that gives a hugely unfair advantage to a lot of people (i.e. Wil).
2. Get away from people just brute-forcing wins to gain rank. The old ranking system was bias towards people who sat in the spar complex all day and sparred whatever newbie walked in. If you ask almost any PKer, they'll admit quite a few of the folks on the "top sparrers" of the old ranking system don't deserve to be there.
This system was meant to distinguish between beating random noob A and beating Wil Soul, which was not differentiated in the old system

[Eclipse]

soul is life

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by paintballdude956

The idea behind this was simple and twofold.
1. Implement a new spar system so we could (soon) release an "MVP-shop" or even gang point shop for sparring. If we based it on the old ranking system, that gives a hugely unfair advantage to a lot of people (i.e. Wil).
2. Get away from people just brute-forcing wins to gain rank. The old ranking system was bias towards people who sat in the spar complex all day and sparred whatever newbie walked in. If you ask almost any PKer, they'll admit quite a few of the folks on the "top sparrers" of the old ranking system don't deserve to be there.
This system was meant to distinguish between beating random noob A and beating Wil Soul, which was not differentiated in the old system

I have to disagree and say that anybody in the top 10 all time sparrers deserve to be there. They put the time in, they earned the points they have every right to be there. They might not exactly be better than somebody who's not there but to say they don't deserve to be there is wrong.

However, i like the idea behind it but at the minute this elo rating is putting people off sparing than making them spar. Can we remove it until the system is completed?

[geneticfrog]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

I They put the time in, they earned the points they have every right to be there.

Sad so sad even after he just told you people were laming noobs for kills LOL.................. you seem to get these ideas and then block out all common sense.

he just freakin said people were laming every noob that walked in and you have no issue with that???? you must really not like competition and just want a 9999 dmg gun? then spawn noob accounts for you so you can get your lamed stats.

wow i hope you dont get any dev rights on era RIP noobs era will never get new olbies.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

Sad so sad even after he just told you people were laming noobs for kills LOL.................. you seem to get these ideas and then block out all common sense.

he just freakin said people were laming every noob that walked in and you have no issue with that???? you must really not like competition and just want a 9999 dmg gun? then spawn noob accounts for you so you can get your lamed stats.

wow i hope you dont get any dev rights on era RIP noobs era will never get new olbies.

I don't believe just because somebody killed a noob means they lamed them. What even is laming? Walling? It's all apart of the game.. It's you and the other guy the moment you say start in a spar. They can "lame" you back you know. If you win, you deserve that win regardless of the oppositions skill.

Just because Will Soul can beat everybody doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be #1 because he does. He EARNED that #1 spot regardless of who he beat.

[geneticfrog]

oh god save me the bull ****.

hax and using trainers are "appart of the game" according to your logic. even if i can kil leveryone without taking 1hp of DMG ITs part of the game!

so why dont i just turn god mode on its "part of the game" As you say. Sure ill rape you ez but its part of the game right???

we dont care about anything or the repercussions of our actions, if its in the game its part of the game right????????????? stephane allowed loops holes to allow trainers/hax so its part of the game.

STEPHANE ALLOWS IT SO lets hax 2 win its going to be the same effort as killing noobs with pistols all day in spar.

part of game sry learn 2 play.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

oh god save me the bull ****.

hax and using trainers are "appart of the game" according to your logic. even if i can kil leveryone without taking 1hp of DMG ITs part of the game!

so why dont i just turn god mode on its "part of the game" As you say. Sure ill rape you ez but its part of the game right???

we dont care about anything or the repercussions of our actions, if its in the game its part of the game right????????????? stephane allowed loops holes to allow trainers/hax so its part of the game.

STEPHANE ALLOWS IT SO lets hax 2 win its going to be the same effort as killing noobs with pistols all day in spar.

part of game sry learn 2 play.

Hax and trainers" Are not part of the game, they're programs used to effect the server.

Now you're just being immature and quite frankly, stupid. Leaderboards are statistics of wins and losses. Each win and lose is earned. Regardless of who it is. It doesn't matter which game you play, you will always have the skill difference.

Sparing takes skill, time and a lot of patience. They earned to be where they are. I am in the top 10 also, cant remember where i think i'm 5th the last time i checked. I didn't "lame" noobs to get where i am. I beat top players and players not as good as me but i also lost to players that aren't as good as me. It's just the way it goes but what i did do was.. earned to be there.

[geneticfrog]

sparring has been on every single servers since zelda online around year 2001....ive played basically every decent server since then... so i dont need you to try to teach me something about sparring or "what sparring is" lol....... its all the same concept just dif ways to keep the "ratings or stats"


i was jsut saying your argument "its part of the game" is irrelivant because trainers are also "part of the game" in a sense.

the argument is not how it effects the game its just "its part of the game so its ok"

I was also bein sarcastic to prove an extremist view of "its part of the game" how it basically allows anything and everything no matter how it effects gameplay.

he clearly stated the arguments to support his claims and you still ignored it saying "its part of the game" we can kills noobs if we want!

so yeah, cant use that argument sorry.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

sparring has been no servers since zelda online closer to year 2000 and ive been playing all graal servers since that time... only made forums acc in 2005 but still dont try to teach me something about sparring lol....... its all the same concept just dif ways to give "ratings or stats"


i was jsut saying your argument "its part of the game" is irrelivant because trainers are also "part of the game" in a sense.

the argument is not how it effects the game its just "its part of the game so its ok"

I was also bein sarcastic to prove an extremist view of "its part of the game" how it basically allows anything and everything no matter how it effects gameplay.

he clearly stated the arguments to support his claims and you still ignored it saying "its part of the game" we can kills noobs if we want!

so yeah, cant use that argument sorry.

They're NOT apart of the game. Sparing IS apart of the game. It doesn't MATTER who they spar. A win is a win. an EARNED win.

Anybody in the top 10 earned to be there. They earned them points. End of story.

[geneticfrog]

oh ok so if i get my alt PC and lamed my wins, do i deserve it?

its another player its "part of the game" right?

or maybe i can pay someone to lose to me over and over is that part of the game too do i deserve it since i payed to kill noob and gralats is part of the game right and dealing with friends?

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

oh ok so if i get my alt PC and lamed my wins, do i deserve it?

its another player its "part of the game" right?

or maybe i can pay someone to lose to me over and over is that part of the game too do i deserve it since i payed?

And wheres your facts that you told me to post on the other thread. Where is your proof of this? This is only a theory.

Do you even realize how long it would even take to do this to get anywhere noticeable? I can almost guarantee you anybody in that top 10 list earned to be there. I know them all and know they're good. I spared with them MANY of times and know they all earned it. They're in the top 10 because they're better than most of the people they spar.

[geneticfrog]

i dont care about how long people killed noobs to get a on a "top 10" list.

it means nothing to me but that you get a artificial sense of satisfaction for killing lesser skilled and less well equiped players for stats to get on a "list".

if its lameable then its pointless enjoy, jsut get on a trial account and kill it over and over will you feel better?

maybe staff can just put you on the list so you can brag about it <.<

[ilovegirlzz]

these kids care too mcuh about deaths and killstreaks tbh

[ilovegirlzz]

im talking about the oldbies or people with 2k+ hours..they try too hard

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

I am finding it hard to get people to spar me now as they do not want to upset their elo rating.

I wasn't thinking about my elo when I flawlessed you earlier then again, I was half asleep

[geneticfrog]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

I wasn't thinking about my elo when I flawlessed you earlier then again, I was half asleep

maybe he got worse by spending all that time sparring noobs in the old system and not equally ranked or higher ranked skilled people.

/trollfood

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

I wasn't thinking about my elo when I flawlessed you earlier then again, I was half asleep

It's true he did flaw me. Duende could of flawed me last night to be honest. lol

[Venom_Fish]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

I wasn't thinking about my elo when I flawlessed you earlier then again, I was half asleep

Could not have been as bad as when I owned you 10-0 then ended it with a flawless while laying down.

Anywho, elo seems to be fine, people aren't afraid to spar me despite the fact that I'm nearly 1600 elo and pretty much drain their elo. On the other hand, perhaps that's why they're not afraid to spar me, I gain like 2 elo every win =/.

[Zongui]

dunno why people are afraid. if you spar someone like wil and beat him, you will get a lot of elo. if you lose to him, you won't lose much elo. i hope that last part is right. people lose all the time.

i knew someone who was so competitive (i guess) that he was afraid to play ranked matches in madden. after he won his first game, his record was 1-0 online. he stopped playing online because he was afraid of losing lol. i mean like... wow.

[cbk1994]

Is the problem the specific ranking system or that spars are ranked at all? If the first, what's better about what existed before? I remember the same complaints about people avoiding the ranked spar since its release. Maybe some form of Elo decay would help?

Interesting to note that classic servers have had Elo-like spar rating built-in to the game for longer than I can remember.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Is the problem the specific ranking system or that spars are ranked at all?

I think the problem with this is just the general mindset of the player-base.

The hierarchy of PKers (and more explicitly; sparrers) is all but set in stone. Most players know who they can beat, and who they will lose to. At that point.. it doesn't matter if the rating is hidden or effect-less, most players will still refuse to spar in the unranked arena if they know they can't beat someone.

I personally trust myself enough to know I have a chance at beating anyone and have done so at one point or another. But 90% of Erians are (or act like) children on a daily basis.

[Kohola_KinG]

I think it's pretty silly when i got to the point of only getting 0.5 worth of elo points when beating somebody and when they kill me they where getting 20+ Elo.

I would have to beat them 40 times or something to get what they get for killing me once? Wil and others suffer the same problem.

Please make it #communitys only also.

[Venom_Fish]

For the record, I do not find that a problem. I think it forces good players to actually have to be good lol. If you are, then losing to those guys should be a virtual no-no. If you are afraid to lose to them, you can wait for the likes of me. In either case, gaining elo at a fast pace would be hard as hell for an imposter, a player who is not as good as his/her elo says. For me, I'm like 1700 elo and I spar whoever/whenever. I gain like .03 from some people lol. I like killing you though Koho. You give me like 2.5-3; that's baoss.

[geneticfrog]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Is the problem the specific ranking system or that spars are ranked at all? If the first, what's better about what existed before? I remember the same complaints about people avoiding the ranked spar since its release. Maybe some form of Elo decay would help?

Interesting to note that classic servers have had Elo-like spar rating built-in to the game for longer than I can remember.

thats why they have a second rating on classic servers lol basically the rating system that comes with graal..


first number is current rating while second number after the / shows how active they are in spar. the more you idle the more the seocnd rating goes up and you lose ranking.

shows if its a week end warrior or a everyday sparrer, someone that only spars the good or spars anyone in and everyone no bias would have a dif second rating even if the fist one is the same.