k/d fix or delete

[vidar]

this kill and death idea was a good idea and would have been a lot better if more time was put into it and it was done better before it's introduction. the only way you can record a kill is if it's by a finishing blow from a melee player. magic/wisdom/poison/diseases don't count.. how is this at all accurate then? since most kills are going to be by poison/magic/wisdom especially since most people run when they're about to die. and mages (especially brigid players) can't record kills... only deaths...

if you have listen 2 on then u can see when anyone dies in the game.. and they're it counts.. "seeya killed mattdapimp with fear of brigid" so why can't that be a recognized kill in kill/death? or it'll say "Majindragon killed chaosorc with poison (applied)" so why doesn't it recognize that in kill/death?

as a mage it's very depressing... death raise will kills stay at 0 :/ yet another kick to the face for mages.

now u can attack a mage and it's win win... if you win u get a kill if u lose well u don't record a death so hell just keep attacking them..

can we either fix this or remove it? i rather not see it remove.. i think it was a great idea and definitely would have sparked more pvp action and even more appeal to GK if it worked properly.. but at the moment all it does is depress people. especially mages.. melee players have kills stolen by poison all the time, and mages simply can't record kills.

[joel34]

Ya. I have killed alot with spells and my profile don't update.

[vidar]

that's because for some reason magic/wisdom doesn't count. this is a well known problem with the k/d system another kick in the face to mages rofl like the overpowered poison with it's knockback and stat reduction = death for any real mage 98%? of the time haha

[MajinDragon]

Really do think this should have been addressed alot sooner, there were complaints about the system immediately but only the spars counting as kills/deaths was changed...

[BigBear3]

I have 21 deaths. Like 12 from spar. 2 from actual PK and the other 7 from Leon.

But yeah, I'm a mage now too so I share this sentiment.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by BigBear3

7 from Leon..

Unconditional love

[vidar]

lol had to point out the 7 to leon
i say fix the problem the i'm sorry to all melee fighters but reset the kill/death so mages aren't at 0 kills and w/e deaths like i don't run from fights and i do win majin and stormy know that i'm at 40 deaths and 0 kills..
let's start fresh and everyone even. then maybe mages will fight more thus increasing pvp a bit

[kia345]

The obvious complaint about magic recording kills is magic laming.


I don't agree at all though, but just throwing that out there.

[MajinDragon]

Oh ya magic laming, how about making it so that walls don't count as kills or any directed spell doesnt count as a kill?

[kia345]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Oh ya magic laming, how about making it so that walls don't count as kills or any directed spell doesnt count as a kill?

That sounds pretty good. Of course, make sure there's a distinction between it still being your spell and not giving you a kill. I'd hate for this to make directors/walls no longer give experience.

[Seeya]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Oh ya magic laming, how about making it so that walls don't count as kills or any directed spell doesnt count as a kill?

Reasonable idea.

[vidar]

magic laming is an issue regardless of the k/d system.. if someone blocks the doors with walls unstick out of the bulding and go pk them, and if u want to go into the build just cast counter spell at one of the directors .. as for bullet spamming easy defense is a single resist scrol 107 or rda/bda/RoE/ then they only become affect for spell breaking
or hell poison them that'll deff stop spell spamming Xp haha either way the kill/death system is crazy. mages get deaths but no kills and for melee players a lot of kills get stolen by poison
i have 0 kills and 40 deaths because magic/wisdom doesn't count
but as to the not making walls count i doubt it's possible to target a certain spell and make them not count.. and choosing to negate a spell category may work since all "build" spells fall under the "creation" spell category and off the top of my head only other spell that falls under that is food and i don't think ur gonna kill someone with that

[BigBear3]

Originally Posted by kia345

That sounds pretty good. Of course, make sure there's a distinction between it still being your spell and not giving you a kill. I'd hate for this to make directors/walls no longer give experience.

Welcome back.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by kia345

That sounds pretty good. Of course, make sure there's a distinction between it still being your spell and not giving you a kill. I'd hate for this to make directors/walls no longer give experience.

I think it def shouldn't affect monster kills, just pvp registered kills. I cud imagine the tears around a holiday dungeon time if u cudnt get exp from directors.

Originally Posted by vidar

magic laming is an issue regardless of the k/d system.. if someone blocks the doors with walls unstick out of the bulding and go pk them, and if u want to go into the build just cast counter spell at one of the directors .. as for bullet spamming easy defense is a single resist scrol 107 or rda/bda/RoE/ then they only become affect for spell breaking
or hell poison them that'll deff stop spell spamming Xp haha either way the kill/death system is crazy. mages get deaths but no kills and for melee players a lot of kills get stolen by poison
i have 0 kills and 40 deaths because magic/wisdom doesn't count
but as to the not making walls count i doubt it's possible to target a certain spell and make them not count.. and choosing to negate a spell category may work since all "build" spells fall under the "creation" spell category and off the top of my head only other spell that falls under that is food and i don't think ur gonna kill someone with that

I think you and most agree that lamed kills aren't worked for, the most common type just happens to involve magic. It'd be unfair, as you're arguing now, to deny all magic based kills. But it's pretty logical to deny director used kills which are the main culprit of magic laming. It's very uncommon that a pking mage would line up directors in the heat of battle. It's a valid tactic, but since you're fighting to let off just 1 spell w/o being interrupted no1 really wastes time setting up a director field.

On a totally off topic note: I thought it'd be cool, if magic spells were widened in learning level so that everything wasn't learned from 1-18, to have a spell called 'Build Director Field' That automatically builds a director field in the shape of a square, customisable in side by leaving a number 1,2,3,4 up to 6 after the spell otherwise defaults to 3. Thought it'd be pretty cool for a pvp tactical thing. Warriors need not cry since bow = win.

[vidar]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

On a totally off topic note: I thought it'd be cool, if magic spells were widened in learning level so that everything wasn't learned from 1-18, to have a spell called 'Build Director Field' That automatically builds a director field in the shape of a square, customisable in side by leaving a number 1,2,3,4 up to 6 after the spell otherwise defaults to 3. Thought it'd be pretty cool for a pvp tactical thing. Warriors need not cry since bow = win.

that would be a nifty idea...
and as for the lamming issue/directors... that's why you would negate all deaths caused by spells in the "creation" spell category. i.e. build lighting wall, fireball wall, bullet wall, director.

that's if this issue is even going to be addressed/can be addressed. although i'm sure if u can't fix the magic/poison/diseases part, at least do something. something like having an option to clear kills/deaths or turn ur personal k/d tracker off.

[OasaTor_PK]

Im still 0 - 0 all though I should be like 150 - 0 but apparently my mage kills don't count.

I am not playing spar events / trying to actually PK till KDR is fixed.

And as for "laming" not counting as a kill is bullcrap.

Trapping and luring people is a skill none of you apparently have learned. Most of my kills involve me tricking you into walking into my lighting of death. Look at history. Trojan horse was using "cheap tactics" and "laming" by placing a trap and owning hard with it.

U all just arent at my calibre of gameplay.

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by BigBear3

I have 21 deaths. Like 12 from spar. 2 from actual PK and the other 7 from Leon.

But yeah, I'm a mage now too so I share this sentiment.

7 from leon, LOL.
The fact you separated that from the other deaths, funny.

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Oh ya magic laming, how about making it so that walls don't count as kills or any directed spell doesnt count as a kill?

That wouldn't work well with anyone that doesn't use 1 hit holy word spells.

Originally Posted by vidar

magic laming is an issue regardless of the k/d system.. if someone blocks the doors with walls unstick out of the bulding and go pk them, and if u want to go into the build just cast counter spell at one of the directors .. as for bullet spamming easy defense is a single resist scrol 107 or rda/bda/RoE/ then they only become affect for spell breaking
or hell poison them that'll deff stop spell spamming Xp haha either way the kill/death system is crazy. mages get deaths but no kills and for melee players a lot of kills get stolen by poison
i have 0 kills and 40 deaths because magic/wisdom doesn't count
but as to the not making walls count i doubt it's possible to target a certain spell and make them not count.. and choosing to negate a spell category may work since all "build" spells fall under the "creation" spell category and off the top of my head only other spell that falls under that is food and i don't think ur gonna kill someone with that

Too bulgy, won't ask you to explain it, but can you try to separate a single thought out and type in a reasonable manner for the forums.

Originally Posted by OasaTor_PK

Im still 0 - 0 all though I should be like 150 - 0 but apparently my mage kills don't count.

I am not playing spar events / trying to actually PK till KDR is fixed.

And as for "laming" not counting as a kill is bullcrap.

Trapping and luring people is a skill none of you apparently have learned. Most of my kills involve me tricking you into walking into my lighting of death. Look at history. Trojan horse was using "cheap tactics" and "laming" by placing a trap and owning hard with it.

U all just arent at my calibre of gameplay.

I'd have to sort of agree.
it's a lame tactic, and I occasionally use it, but even so, there's no reason to for it not to add kills/deaths because it's lame.

I don't see a problem with it.
Some people care a little too much about their k/d ratios.
If you're the best pker, you don't need a high k/d ratio to let it be known now do you?
Lamers may have the best ratio, but would they be the best?

[StormYs]

I would also like to see a command that can reset your K/D.

[Jcs1919]

Originally Posted by StormYs

I would also like to see a command that can reset your K/D.

me too

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by StormYs

I would also like to see a command that can reset your K/D.

For a cost mayb.

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

For a cost mayb.

Yes, a costly one that would make you wonder
"Should I do this? Is it really worth it."

Something like, 25 ecs.

[MajinDragon]

Agreed.

[vidar]

why should i pay to delete deaths?
atm i can't record a kill but i still record deaths.
granted their should be a cost if a reset option was put into place, but right now let's make it free.. at least until mages can record kills as well as deaths

[MajinDragon]

Well, why shouldn't there be a cost for resetting kills & deaths?
I think a progressive cost would be better like, for your first time it costs 1ec but grows from there so it could end up costing some people 50ec's

[kia345]

Price should be based on your deaths; one month cooldown before purchasing another reset.

That'll teach you chumps not to leave trade without your precious pansy rings

Originally Posted by vidar

why should i pay to delete deaths?
atm i can't record a kill but i still record deaths.
granted their should be a cost if a reset option was put into place, but right now let's make it free.. at least until mages can record kills as well as deaths

I have no intention of resetting, but I agree with this. Fixes mage's k/d, and offer free resets for a short time so they can fix their butchered rate.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by kia345

Price should be based on your deaths; one month cooldown before purchasing another reset.

That'll teach you chumps not to leave trade without your precious pansy rings

Interesting basing it on deaths.

If rings are so unnecessary and for 'pansy's i'd really like to see you disprove me or even get me to 300hp w/o rings.

[vidar]

I see no point in paying a cost to delete k/d for mages unless they fix it. then i would pay a cost. but why should i pay a cost for a broken system. i'll just let my deaths keep rising while my kills stay at 0

[quickshooter]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Interesting basing it on deaths.

If rings are so unnecessary and for 'pansy's i'd really like to see you disprove me or even get me to 300hp w/o rings.

pretty sure i have ~340hp without any rings(or gear for that matter). no fhom, no rings, no pmop, no shield, no belt... not even using spells.. just 20base con and lvl 110

just a weapon and gloves of leuc

when i had a full set of EQ my hp pushed 550

edit: not that having rings is "pansy" behavior.. monetarily well endowed behavior, maybe... but not pansy.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Interesting basing it on deaths.

If rings are so unnecessary and for 'pansy's i'd really like to see you disprove me or even get me to 300hp w/o rings.

You're implying you need 300hp for pvp. Yet again you are part of the problem concerning GK's pvp.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by kia345

You're implying you need 300hp for pvp. Yet again you are part of the problem concerning GK's pvp.

I wanna listen to your brain as it worked out what i said...
I challenged you to fight me with your non-pansy stance and prove that no-rings is as good or that rings aren't needed.

Pretty sick of your high and mighty observation at pvping when you're pretty scrub like and obviously don't fully understand why RoW's/RoS's are considered standard/necessary for pvp. It doesn't stem from a 'pansy' nature, it stems from an average under leveled aspiring population, an ac/wc system and also speed system. Read up on the history of war or take pvping seriously sometime & maybe you'll change your ignorant stance.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

IPretty sick of your high and mighty observation at pvping when you're pretty scrub like and obviously don't fully understand why RoW's/RoS's are considered standard/necessary for pvp. It doesn't stem from a 'pansy' nature, it stems from an average under leveled aspiring population, an ac/wc system and also speed system. Read up on the history of war or take pvping seriously sometime & maybe you'll change your ignorant stance.

You're not getting it. I'm saying don't depend on RoWs/RoSs/whatever other gear you might have. I'm saying all of you, not just you specifically, playing with this pathetic notion that the only way to be go bmode is to have 30 30 30 and triple digit wcs and all this other nonsense are what's wrong with GK's bmode. If you guys quit doing that, quit being wusses afraid to lose a precious 20 platinum coins because of your scrub gear, you'll be contributing toward fixing pvp.

The whole reason I'm wearing low-tier gear and pretending I can mage is because I didn't want to own those RoWs anymore. I've given away IWD'd inferno swords, multiple RoWs, comps and pmops and Gales and DSs and all this other crap over the years for little to no profit because you shouldn't assume you have to have certain gear to be a part of pvp. All you do by wearing that gear and claiming it's required for pvp is alienating new players or people without the gear from going bmode. I on the other hand am making bmode look like something obtainable, that anyone can do.

You're the scrub Mr. God-tier Gear. All you did by challenging me is prove me right, because you weren't even in bmode without that gear.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by kia345

You're not getting it. I'm saying don't depend on RoWs/RoSs/whatever other gear you might have. I'm saying all of you, not just you specifically, playing with this pathetic notion that the only way to be go bmode is to have 30 30 30 and triple digit wcs and all this other nonsense are what's wrong with GK's bmode. If you guys quit doing that, quit being wusses afraid to lose a precious 20 platinum coins because of your scrub gear, you'll be contributing toward fixing pvp.

The whole reason I'm wearing low-tier gear and pretending I can mage is because I didn't want to own those RoWs anymore. I've given away IWD'd inferno swords, multiple RoWs, comps and pmops and Gales and DSs and all this other crap over the years for little to no profit because you shouldn't assume you have to have certain gear to be a part of pvp. All you do by wearing that gear and claiming it's required for pvp is alienating new players or people without the gear from going bmode. I on the other hand am making bmode look like something obtainable, that anyone can do.

You're the scrub Mr. God-tier Gear. All you did by challenging me is prove me right, because you weren't even in bmode without that gear.

No one clings to their gear out of choice, it's like war, if everyone dropped their weapons and duked it out with fists there'd be no problems. But no ones going to drop their weapons for other guys to stay armed and kill them. Don't talk like you knew me, bmode started @ 35phys and ros's with 28/27/26 for me. I tried out bmode before that, and it was horrible, i couldn't hit anyone, they could all hit me, it was pointless and senseless and that's how all scrubs will feel like. Don't talk about triple30, very few even have that, i've never had that. But there's certainly a requirement and it falls around the 26/26/26 region and for melee players, about 30-35 phys so you have a 1/2 a chance at hitting someone.

Heh, you're obviously on a different page, a redundant one. So i'ma just leave it at this, i'm agreeing to disagree fully with your point of view. I'm a scrub in your fantasy, you're a scrub in my world. Maybie i'll learn to play yours and become the teacher.

[vidar]

back on topic? lol

[kia345]

guys, fix k/d so I can have 150/2 instead of just 11/2

[vidar]

haha seriously i wouldn't even mind keeping the deaths i have now if i can start recording kills