Later

[adam]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Just as you are unwilling to jog across America.

Actually if I had the opportunity that could be fun.

Speculation? No. Deduction.

Would you kindly explain how you deduced that selfishness is better as far as making friends is concerned?

Then what is your point?

You can't be damaged, simply becouse you don't respect any of your opponents enough to care what they say about you. In fact, I wonder if you are capable of caring about people, you obviously care what others think of you.

Feel free.

If only I had the time and dedication.

Various factors. It's mostly built around the basics: Intelligence (all the constituents thereof), sense of humour, physical ability, lingual capabilities etc. By my reckoning, I surpass her in each of these ways.

So, has anybody even come close to meeting your requirments?
Just curiosity here.

Depends. Debates aren't quite that simple - there usually is an obvious victor, but the loser usually refuses to acknowledge his defeat. In any case, I do not think I am in any danger of losing this argument.

Certainly, that is your view. Nobody persuedes you, It is rather like talking to a brick wall. Allbeit one that has a dictionary. So, have you ever lost a debate. Perhaps you could explain how they persueded you.

I know you didn't. But I was making a point that you have failed to address: How can you tell the difference?

If no defense took place, there would be no way of knowing whether it was inability, or unwillingness. Both could really be true.

Oh, don't be so petulant. I understand your generic moral system perfectly well - I merely eschew it in favour of more logical ideals.

I fail to see how that statement was petulant. Being self-less would likely result from moral beliefs, since you hold none you really wouldn't understand. Morals aren't all that logical as you well understand, perhaps that is why you can't understand why anybody wold ever adopt them. And that is what makes kaimetsu, kaimetsu. No morals, just logical ideals. I doubt there are many on this earth that don't understand what morals are to some degree. So these genaric morals are actually global.







... ok time for another break. >.< so much to do today. So little time. So much time taken up by this.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by adam
Actually if I had the opportunity that could be fun.

You have the opportunity every day of your life.

Would you kindly explain how you deduced that selfishness is better as far as making friends is concerned?

No qualms about decieving them. I don't see any reasons why it impedes the friend-making process, so any benefit tips the scales.

You can't be damaged

Then your initial argument (that halting the thread would benefit me) was flawed.

So, has anybody even come close to meeting your requirments?

Many have. Dante surpassed me on an intellectual level, for example.

Certainly, that is your view. Nobody persuedes you, It is rather like talking to a brick wall.

For somebody that is speaking out against verbal attacks, you sure do make a lot of them. But no, it is like talking to a person who has a counter to every one of your points.

So, have you ever lost a debate. Perhaps you could explain how they persueded you.

If anybody persuades me that I am wrong then I have not lost the debate - I simply agree with them and stop fighting. That is not defeat.

If no defense took place, there would be no way of knowing whether it was inability, or unwillingness. Both could really be true.

Yes, but you assume the latter to be true. This is not logical.

I fail to see how that statement was petulant. Being self-less would likely result from moral beliefs, since you hold none you really wouldn't understand.

Your perception of morality is strange indeed. You assume that I have never been guided by morals?

these genaric morals are actually global.

Not global, just common - and they vary from place to place. The term 'generic' was perfectly apt.

[Milkdude99]

To debate and issue with anyone who is blind to only what he/she believes nothing the opponent post will be of any value to the one it is directed to. A valid debate is only of value if both opponents can agree on some common ground. People who see life through rose-colored glasses will only see the "tainted world" they want to see and not what in reality is there. But then again reality is a subjective term and depends on the person who is seeing it. We all have faults, good points and bad that make up who we are. Those who refuse to see their own weakness are fools and are only fooling themselves. Strong and wise people understand and see their own weakness. They strive to work on their imperfections to improve their quality of life. Never seeing that you are wrong in anything is a miserable existence; it tends to make yourself always on the defensive and suspicious of what everyone says to and about you. You feel you must always express your superior self and belittle others to ensure your statue of your superiority.
Those who are comfortable with themselves and everything about themselves feel no need to express power or superiority over anyone. There is no need to, they know who they are and what they can do and is not necessary to exert themselves in a hostile arrogant way. They on the other hand for the most part are pleasant people to be around because they share what they know and don't make others around them feel like they are lesser beings because of some shortcomings they may have. This post does not name anyone nor was it intended to. Those who take offensive to it may want to look at themselves and see WHY am I offended by it. I did not post this to debate it and will not answer any replies to it , it is merely my life's observation over the last 47 years of my existence. Whether you agree or disagree doesn't matter, only that I did indeed express myself.

[someweirdperson]

OMG SHE'S LEAVING! *jumps around the room laughing at pointing at the post*

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by someweirdperson
OMG SHE'S LEAVING! *jumps around the room laughing at pointing at the post*

um, I also stated later that I am not leaving, I cant for some reason....graal has a hold on me

[CasanovaCanavi]

Originally posted by Darlene159

um, I also stated later that I am not leaving, I cant for some reason....graal has a hold on me

I think it has a hold on almost everyone that plays.. o_o

::..Points at Moonie..:: You better not leave!

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by CasanovaCanavi


I think it has a hold on almost everyone that plays.. o_o

::..Points at Moonie..:: You better not leave!

lol...me thinks you are right

[Kaimetsu]

For the duration of this post I am going to wave aside the pretence that you are not talking about me, okay?

Originally posted by Milkdude99
To debate and issue with anyone who is blind to only what he/she believes nothing the opponent post will be of any value to the one it is directed to. A valid debate is only of value if both opponents can agree on some common ground.

'Value' is subjective, MG. A person can value a debate just for the fun factor, even if it doesn't cover any real ground.

And, in fact, that's pretty much what most of my debates here consist of. You seem to think it bad that I don't expect anybody to prove me wrong. It's not, I'm simply being realistic. I think everything through before I post it, I spend hours every day contemplating theological/philosophical/logical issues (just as a hobby, I'm not saying that it alone makes me better than anybody). I'm very well adapted for these kinds of debate and so it's not unreasonable for me to expect to be right in any instances.

That said, I do consider the possibility that I could be wrong. You seem to have decided that this is not the case (and also decided that you can never be wrong in that opinion ), but you really have no idea of what goes on inside my head. It's arrogant to believe that you can reliably psychoanalyse me just from observing my forums persona.

You also seem to have assumed that I blind myself to my weaknesses? This is not so, and the claim seems to be born out of jealousy as much as anything else. In this arena I have few weaknesses (there are people stronger than me, but because they have greater strengths, not smaller weaknesses), so you decide that I must just be hiding them. Childish. Can't you see that you're making negative opinions about me simply because you don't like me? You have no evidence to back up your ridiculous analyses.

Those who are comfortable with themselves and everything about themselves feel no need to express power or superiority over anyone.

And I do not feel that need. I simply enjoy the debates. I'm a combative person by nature, and that's expressed through a number of media online: games, competitive scripting, debates etc. I do it out of enjoyment, not necessity.

They on the other hand for the most part are pleasant people to be around because they share what they know and don't make others around them feel like they are lesser beings because of some shortcomings they may have.

Again I laugh at your habit of making assumptions about me. Until you have viewed me in an objective light, in multiple situations, you can never accurately classify me. It's only your unending arrogance that makes you think you can.

[PrinceDark]

One day I might attempt to make a trip by foot across America.

[konidias]

Judging by this thread, this forum needs to be renamed to Goodbye and Hello. Since people usually leave and THEN come back.

As for the arguement, what a flipping waste of time. Would it even be possible to count how many hours you have wasted arguing with eachother? I don't think it's even logical, since you both seem to ignore what the other says anyway, so what's the point in trying to get your views across? It's like two brick walls trying to have a conversation.

[ETD]

I think we should make a thread in the non-graal section, and make it a place where everyone can post their weaknesses...

and if MG knows his weaknesses, then he will post them... I would post as well
=/
anyone going to take my dare, and start it?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by konidias
As for the arguement, what a flipping waste of time. Would it even be possible to count how many hours you have wasted arguing with eachother?

Wasted? Counter-example: I do not want to get into any kind of romantic relationship, for reasons too boring to elaborate on. Would it be reasonable for me to say that all the time you have spent with Chaka was wasted? No. It is not wasted if you enjoy it.

I don't think it's even logical, since you both seem to ignore what the other says anyway, so what's the point in trying to get your views across? It's like two brick walls trying to have a conversation.

I am ignoring nothing. Example, please.

[Googi]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
physical ability

How do you know this?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Googi
How do you know this?

She is old and female, I am young and male. I also know that I am quite physically able. It is highly unlikely that she could surpass me in this field.

[Googi]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
She is old and female, I am young and male. I also know that I am quite physically able. It is highly unlikely that she could surpass me in this field.

You don't know for sure, however.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Googi
You don't know for sure, however.

I don't know anything about her for sure, but that doesn't matter. I am analysing probabilities. From what I know, it is very reasonable for me to assume that I am physically superior to her.

[Googi]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Wasted? Counter-example: I do not want to get into any kind of romantic relationship, for reasons too boring to elaborate on. Would it be reasonable for me to say that all the time you have spent with Chaka was wasted? No. It is not wasted if you enjoy it.

What if, however, Chaka did not?

Or in this case, Moon Goddess did not.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by ETD
I think we should make a thread in the non-graal section, and make it a place where everyone can post their weaknesses...

and if MG knows his weaknesses, then he will post them... I would post as well
=/
anyone going to take my dare, and start it?

lol, there is no need for people to post their weaknesses....we all have them, and we all know that we have them because we are human, and not perfect....posting them only opens up more bashing, trust me

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Googi
What if, however, Chaka did not?

1) If Konidias did not know that Chaka did not enjoy the time then it should obviously not influence him to consider it wasted.

2) Assuming he did know, we would start to look at criteria. The important thing is this: Time is only wasted if the person's criteria define it to be so.

And no, I do not include Moon Goddess' happiness in my criteria.

[adam]

Originally posted by konidias
Judging by this thread, this forum needs to be renamed to Goodbye and Hello. Since people usually leave and THEN come back.

As for the arguement, what a flipping waste of time. Would it even be possible to count how many hours you have wasted arguing with eachother? I don't think it's even logical, since you both seem to ignore what the other says anyway, so what's the point in trying to get your views across? It's like two brick walls trying to have a conversation.

Actually, I believe it was about 6 or so hours. Off and on. 10-30 minutes per reply? More or less. I slept and finished a school report somewhere in between. To be honest about it, I didn't expect to get much accomplished, but one can dream can't he? I think the last time I did so much replying was back on bhala's forum's, also with kaimetsu.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
For the duration of this post I am going to wave aside the pretence that you are not talking about me, okay?



'Value' is subjective, MG. A person can value a debate just for the fun factor, even if it doesn't cover any real ground.

And, in fact, that's pretty much what most of my debates here consist of. You seem to think it bad that I don't expect anybody to prove me wrong. It's not, I'm simply being realistic. I think everything through before I post it, I spend hours every day contemplating theological/philosophical/logical issues (just as a hobby, I'm not saying that it alone makes me better than anybody). I'm very well adapted for these kinds of debate and so it's not unreasonable for me to expect to be right in any instances.

That said, I do consider the possibility that I could be wrong. You seem to have decided that this is not the case (and also decided that you can never be wrong in that opinion ), but you really have no idea of what goes on inside my head. It's arrogant to believe that you can reliably psychoanalyse me just from observing my forums persona.

You also seem to have assumed that I blind myself to my weaknesses? This is not so, and the claim seems to be born out of jealousy as much as anything else. In this arena I have few weaknesses (there are people stronger than me, but because they have greater strengths, not smaller weaknesses), so you decide that I must just be hiding them. Childish. Can't you see that you're making negative opinions about me simply because you don't like me? You have no evidence to back up your ridiculous analyses.






And I do not feel that need. I simply enjoy the debates. I'm a combative person by nature, and that's expressed through a number of media online: games, competitive scripting, debates etc. I do it out of enjoyment, not necessity.



Again I laugh at your habit of making assumptions about me. Until you have viewed me in an objective light, in multiple situations, you can never accurately classify me. It's only your unending arrogance that makes you think you can.

Kai,
Please don't flatter yourself in thinking that everything I post has your label on it. Just because you liken some of my post to yourself does not make it explicitly about you or anyone else for that matter. I spoke in general terms and that was done deliberately as not to invoke a negative response from you. If I seemed to have struck a nerve then I'm Sorry, the post like I said was spoke of in General terms and not targeted at anyone, You are not the only one in these Forums that have characteristics like this.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Please don't flatter yourself in thinking that everything I post has your label on it.

It's not flattery, I simply know a little about how you act. Obviously the post was directed at whomever you percieved to be exhibiting the attributes you described in the post, and I doubt that there was anyone other than me.

Just because you liken some of my post to yourself...

You should practice reading more often. I did not say that I liken any part of it to me, but that I liken it to your warped, biased impression of me. Big, big difference.

Oh, and you said you weren't going to reply again. How unpredictable that you did!

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


It's not flattery, I simply know a little about how you act. Obviously the post was directed at whomever you percieved to be exhibiting the attributes you described in the post, and I doubt that there was anyone other than me.



You should practice reading more often. I did not say that I liken any part of it to me, but that I liken it to your warped, biased impression of me. Big, big difference.

Oh, and you said you weren't going to reply again. How unpredictable that you did!

Really? After your post I should have just ignored it? Ehh I guess I could have but why spoil what little enjoyment you get from these Forums? I mean whom else would you bash if you weren't doing it to me? I just as soon as you do it to me and leave others alone who may not have a thick skin as I do and really take offense at what you say. You can say what you wish Kai for I said what I meant and posted as such, it is up to you if you believe it or not. Btw this is about the biggest rise you will get out of me from now on unless I get cute and post some sarcastic remark that I will endeavor to try to be humorous on.

[adam]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Really? After your post I should have just ignored it? Ehh I guess I could have but why spoil what little enjoyment you get from these Forums? I mean whom else would you bash if you weren't doing it to me? I just as soon as you do it to me and leave others alone who may not have a thick skin as I do and really take offense at what you say. You can say what you wish Kai for I said what I meant and posted as such, it is up to you if you believe it or not. Btw this is about the biggest rise you will get out of me from now on unless I get cute and post some sarcastic remark that I will endeavor to try to be humorous on.

He would bash me of course, after all I volunteered to be bashed? I knew when I started he would enjoy himself. He already stated he enjoys debates and even preparing for them. Your taking it way to personally, as we all do.

[Googi]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
who may not have a thick skin as I do and really take offense at what you say.

It's hard to take offense to what Kai says, because he carefully avoids insulting you

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Really? After your post I should have just ignored it?

I am not telling you what you should have done, I am merely pointing out your hypocrisy, and sarcastically implying that your statement was obviously a lie from the start.

Ehh I guess I could have but why spoil what little enjoyment you get from these Forums? I mean whom else would you bash if you weren't doing it to me?

Do you really think that reply was a bash? Hardly. There were very few actual insults in there - most of it was just refuting your poor logic or uneducated attempts at psychoanalysis.

You can say what you wish Kai for I said what I meant and posted as such, it is up to you if you believe it or not.

Sigh. Again with the arrogance. Moon God, not everything you say is inherently true. You seem to think that you have no need to consider my replies, but in doing so you are falling into your own characterisation; You say I never think that I am wrong, but you never even consider that you could be. Again, hypocrisy.

[Neonight]

I wish you guys would go spam the private forum instead of this one. Even better, use PMs.

[adam]

Originally posted by Neonight
I wish you guys would go spam the private forum instead of this one. Even better, use PMs.

I can't get to the private forums?

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


I am not telling you what you should have done, I am merely pointing out your hypocrisy, and sarcastically implying that your statement was obviously a lie from the start.



Do you really think that reply was a bash? Hardly. There were very few actual insults in there - most of it was just refuting your poor logic or uneducated attempts at psychoanalysis.



Sigh. Again with the arrogance. Moon God, not everything you say is inherently true. You seem to think that you have no need to consider my replies, but in doing so you are falling into your own characterisation; You say I never think that I am wrong, but you never even consider that you could be. Again, hypocrisy.

The word is "characterization" and I am wrong at times , that is the difference between you and I , I can admit to it.

[Neonight]

Originally posted by adam


I can't get to the private forums?

I was directing my post to Kaimetsu and Moon Goddess.
From what I hear, they're arguing there a lot. :x

[adam]

Originally posted by Neonight


I was directing my post to Kaimetsu and Moon Goddess.
From what I hear, they're arguing there a lot. :x

Oh, Well kai and moon goddess haven't really argued at all here, just came pretty darn close.

[Googi]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
The word is "characterization" and I am wrong at times , that is the difference between you and I , I can admit to it.

Kaimetsu, unfortunatly, can win an argument even if he's wrong.

[Neoreno]

Originally posted by Googi


Kaimetsu, unfortunatly, can win an argument even if he's wrong.

And if he's right...well, then you have no chance.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Googi

Kaimetsu, unfortunatly, can win an argument even if he's wrong.

well, it's true... you don't have to be right to win an argument
=0

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Neonight


I was directing my post to Kaimetsu and Moon Goddess.
From what I hear, they're arguing there a lot. :x

Why you bring my name into this? I'm not arguing with anyone here

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
The word is "characterization"

That's pretty much what I said. One way or another, you're terrible at it.

and I am wrong at times , that is the difference between you and I , I can admit to it.

How do you know that I can't? I've explained this before. You decide that I can't admit to it because you've never seen me do so. The problem is that there can be two explanations:

1) I am almost never wrong.
2) I cannot (will not, whatever) admit to being wrong.

You assume that option 1) is false, but that assumption is equivalent to assuming that I am often wrong, and that you are - in those instances - correct. You assume that you are right despite the fact that I am more intelligent and more educated. Isn't that just a tad arrogant? Each of us is the same in that we both believe that we are right - I'm just more justified in forming that opinion.

[Darlene159]

You assume that you are right despite the fact that I am more intelligent and more educated. Isn't that just a tad arrogant? Each of us is the same in that we both believe that we are right - I'm just more justified in forming that opinion.

lol, watch out, your head might explode

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Darlene159

lol, watch out, your head might explode

Wow, that's exactly as witty as it was the first time you said it! Now, Mrs Stupidhead, if you are done flaming me without providing any kind of worthwhile substance then can you please go away?

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Wow, that's exactly as witty as it was the first time you said it! Now, Mrs Stupidhead, if you are done flaming me without providing any kind of worthwhile substance then can you please go away?

I'm not stupid, and it wasnt a flame

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Darlene159
I'm not stupid, and it wasnt a flame

What's this? You missed the point?! Unprecedented!

It obviously was a flame, and I called you stupid in mimicry of your childish attack.