Lets Put A Stop To It Now! - Page 3

Timpan3 · #81 11-17-2002, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

The filter isn't for dealing with idiots, it's for dealing with people that don't know they're not allowed to swear or are happy to have the text replaced with asterisks, knowing that the meaning is mostly preserved.

So you're saying that people who swear are automatically idiots? I can't figure out how it could be "preserved" when the meaning itself still excists, it doesn't matter how I type it, does it?

Spark910 · #82 11-17-2002, 06:48 PM

Im afriad it does matter, While **** (Without any *s) may be offensive! **** is not or how ever you would want to get around it so as long as the main offsive words are gone! And people arent bothered by '***************" So no one is bothered is people say things like that.

Timpan3 · #83 11-17-2002, 06:53 PM

Spark910, you're a *****!
Spark910 is a dirty *****!

Does that offend you as much as the real words? You shouldn't , atleast you've stated that, because no on will bother.

Timpan3 · #84 11-17-2002, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

No, but I'll say that people who extract completely incorrect meanings from my simple posts are automatically idiots.

I was explaining that people who use profanities will just avoid the filter, and you say that the filter will not be used for "idiots", stating my previous explanation of the group of people who DO use profanaties, so no, it was not "completely incorrect".

Spark910 · #85 11-17-2002, 07:27 PM

No that doesn't offend me as Ill just ignore you if you said that as you would be being an idiot for saying it in the first place.

Timpan3 · #86 11-17-2002, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910
No that doesn't offend me as Ill just ignore you if you said that as you would be being an idiot for saying it in the first place.

If you were to ignore it, why not ignore the REAL swearing word? Meaning there wouldn't be any difference.

Spark910 · #87 11-17-2002, 09:14 PM

Anyway.. If they agreed to it and broke that, and its a rule and break that, and is stopped with an Anti-filer and they try and get around/break that then they are ''Idiotic'' and shouldn't be playing graal as they are spoiling it for the rest of us. And for about the 16th time, the real words are offensive the ones with stars are not! Which is why i'd ignore stars!

Timpan3 · #88 11-18-2002, 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Oh, so now you're telling me what I meant? See, that's where I went wrong; I assumed that I was the one that decided what my meaning was. Y'know, since it's my meaning.

I've never restrained you from "deciding" the meaning, I just summed it up, but maybe I missread it.

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

These people are idiots. Not all those who use profanity will do this, however. Those that refrain from doing so fall outside of my idiots category.

Why would that make them idiots? Because they don't abide to the swear filter? I might be way off there, but that's how I understand it.

Googi · #89 11-18-2002, 07:31 AM

Even if you were correct, and the profanity swear filter was all-but-useless, it would still probably block out atleast one word in one message, in which case it was worth adding.

Thak2 · #90 11-18-2002, 12:30 PM

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Since filters doesn't really work, it would be
better to just log use of such words and
then temporary ban the player (if he hasn't
said it by mistake or quoted something)

Stefan said that, in this thread.
http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...5&pagenumber=1

Basically same anti-swearing idea came up more than a year ago, but was not used.

I don't think any censorship things will go into graal, and I hope they don't too.

Timpan3 · #91 11-18-2002, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Yes, because they go to such lengths to swear. Such people are idiots, but the stupidity is the cause, not the effect. Only stupid people will do this in any but the most extreme situation.

Uhm.. Basically, they're just doing what they did before the filter, but since their swears won't show up, they'll just change the words around. Like at the Counter - Strike chat. Almost no people there types the actual swearing word after seeing how it changes (since it doesn't just turn out in * marks, it changes the whole word, but anyway).

syltburk · #92 11-18-2002, 04:49 PM

I reported a guy named Ice to Eye of the Beholder on Babylon, well he got jailed for swearing serveral times without listening on the warnings.
The first thing that happends is that i get kicked from the framily (for jailing a family member).
The second things that happends is that Ice tells (hes freind)
kishara to unjail him.
He was jailed for 1 minute and the guy was supposed to be jailed for 3 days.
The system needs to be changed. People can be unjailed becuse they have freinds that are "staff".

Later when i tried to explain to the Leader in the family why i jailed him he says " he is a family member and even if he was a hacker you arent supposed to report him", and he threatend me by saying he was going to hack my acount if i reported him.
//Jaffer

syltburk · #93 11-18-2002, 05:03 PM

actuly he did say sexual harrasments to me.

i just dont want to tell you what he said to me here on the forums.

I have reported but havnt got any answer from anyone yet.

Stev579 · #94 11-18-2002, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by Thak2
I don't think any censorship things will go into graal, and I hope they don't too.

Eh?

So wait, you want people to pay for a game in which they can be called racist remarks?

You want people to pay for a game that allows people to diss their mothers?

It's disgusting.

Timpan3 · #95 11-18-2002, 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Yes. And they are idiots. The non-idiots will accept that the words are disallowed and either use other words or settle for the asterisks.

Yes. And they are idiots.

Hmm, I'll leadve you're opinion aside, I guess, because there is no more to discuss (atleast what I know), because now I know why the whole discussion really started, heh, and the reason concludes it all..

Thak2 · #96 11-19-2002, 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by Stev579

Eh?

So wait, you want people to pay for a game in which they can be called racist remarks?

You want people to pay for a game that allows people to diss their mothers?

It's disgusting.

This comparison may be too unequal, but, you are paying for the internet, aren't you?

It is full of racist, and insulting things. And on it, you can be insulted numerous ways.

Spark910 · #97 11-19-2002, 03:27 AM

Then get ''Net Nanny'' or similar programs, edit your Internet Options. If you don't want to see that material. But the difference is we COULD stop it here, we dont have to have it on Graal, we have the chance to stop it, so we may as well do it. While you may not have power over a website with a million hits a day showing disturbing material. You do have the power and choice to maybe make a difference here. So I don't see why you cant just do that.

Timpan3 · #98 11-19-2002, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910
You do have the power and choice to maybe make a difference here. So I don't see why you cant just do that.

Because, they already have a system for it.

ZanderX · #99 11-19-2002, 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by Stev579

Eh?

So wait, you want people to pay for a game in which they can be called racist remarks?

You want people to pay for a game that allows people to diss their mothers?

It's disgusting.

Half Life!

Unreal Tournament!

Every other online game EVER CREATED!

Spark910 · #**100** 11-19-2002, 05:18 PM

Then go and play them, dont play graal if your going to use insulting remarks.

ZanderX · #**101** 11-19-2002, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910
Then go and play them, dont play graal if your going to use insulting remarks.

The point is that Graal honestly isn't very different from any other online game out there in terms of maturity of its playerbase.

syltburk · #**102** 11-19-2002, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

The point is that Graal honestly isn't very different from any other online game out there in terms of maturity of its playerbase.

[OF***PIC] Why do you never answer me man. What did i do that was so wrong? that you dont want to talk to me anymore?[/OF***PIC]

lol? you arent alod to say top now? LOLISH

Darlene159 · #**103** 11-19-2002, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by syltburk

[OF***PIC] Why do you never answer me man. What did i do that was so wrong? that you dont want to talk to me anymore?[/OF***PIC]

lol? you arent alod to say top now? LOLISH

it didnt block out TOP, look again...otherwise you wouldnt have been able to say it again

Graal518 · #**104** 11-20-2002, 05:33 AM

The censored part, I believe is an acronym for another game. Though I could be wrong..

Masah · #**105** 11-20-2002, 05:34 AM

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Originally posted by Graal518
The censored part, I believe is an acronym for another game. Though I could be wrong..

Yes that's correct F.T.O.

-Brett

konidias · #**106** 11-20-2002, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

Half Life!

Unreal Tournament!

Every other online game EVER CREATED!

You pay for those games. Graal isn't a game, it's a service. Big difference. You host your own servers with Half Life and Unreal Tournament. Graal hosts the servers, and you pay to use them. You don't pay for Graal itself, you pay to access Graal's servers.

Thak2 · #**107** 11-20-2002, 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by Stev579

So wait, you want people to pay for a game in which they can be called racist remarks?

Quote:

Originally posted by konidias

You pay for those games. Graal isn't a game, it's a service. Big difference. You host your own servers with Half Life and Unreal Tournament. Graal hosts the servers, and you pay to use them. You don't pay for Graal itself, you pay to access Graal's servers.

He indicated Graal as a game we are paying for, not a service. So, Kamuii listed other games paid for, which insults occur in, and are not filtered out.

Spark910 · #**108** 11-22-2002, 03:28 AM

Thats because language isn't much of a problem, and they will be succesful with or without it. Graal isnt like PSO etc... With 100,000's of players, It has to keep what it has and aim to get new ones in. But swearing may put them off joining/repaying.

ZanderX · #**109** 11-22-2002, 03:36 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910
Thats because language isn't much of a problem, and they will be succesful with or without it. Graal isnt like PSO etc... With 100,000's of players, It has to keep what it has and aim to get new ones in. But swearing may put them off joining/repaying.

Graal doesn't even have 10,000 players, much less 100,000.

I'd set the count around 1,000. 1,500, tops.

Spark910 · #**110** 11-22-2002, 03:39 AM

Which is why PSO and Others dont really have to care too much about there player attitudes. As its famous enough of a game that a few people dont care much what others think of them, After all the creators/programers are happy with there 16million players. But graal nneds to try and keep them all.

Timpan3 · #**111** 11-22-2002, 04:23 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910
With 100,000's of players

In your wet dreams

.

I don't think the swearing issue is the main reason for people leaving, frankly , it's just not that important, atleast if you compare it with other issues (account stealing, hacking, changes [generally directed towards classic] etc.).

Mista_Micro · #**112** 11-22-2002, 04:30 AM

I am not really offended by anything people say to me.. If your not what they say, why get offended?

Kuza · #**113** 11-22-2002, 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by Timpan3
I don't think the swearing issue is the main reason for people leaving, frankly , it's just not that important, atleast if you compare it with other issues (account stealing, hacking, changes [generally directed towards classic] etc.).

i tend to believe people are leaving because the game becomes really boring and repetitive after a month...

graal lacks a stable line of interesting content, basically.

Com013 · #**114** 11-22-2002, 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by Timpan3
changes [generally directed towards classic]

Classic didn't change the last month or so because I am busy with the NPC Server and guess what? Some people are complaining that there are no new updates.
So if I change something people complain, but if I don't they complain, too.
So I'll just do my job and change it, k?

Googi · #**115** 11-23-2002, 12:31 AM

Well, look at it this way...

Now, there are only two reasons to NOT want this to be implemented, either it's because you use profanity, in which case you are breaking the rules, therefore, this is not a good argument.

The other reason that you may not want this put in, is actually a somewhat good reason, which is that it can block words which only have the sequence of letters which would be profanity as an alone word in them. (I.e. Assume, Roo***p). However, if this is well coded, then this is also solved, therefore, this is only a mediocre agrument.

So...

A profanity filter should be added.

Delteria_Free18 · #**116** 11-23-2002, 01:50 AM

I still dont see the controversy... just put a word filter...

Spark910 · #**117** 11-23-2002, 02:53 AM

But anyone who has the power to do such a thing hasn't replied to this post, as far as I know anyway.

ShadowStrike2k1 · #**118** 11-23-2002, 05:21 AM

**** THAT lowell

Timpan3 · #**119** 11-23-2002, 05:28 AM

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Originally posted by Com013

Classic didn't change the last month or so because I am busy with the NPC Server and guess what? Some people are complaining that there are no new updates.
So if I change something people complain, but if I don't they complain, too.
So I'll just do my job and change it, k?

Since I didn't set a date for the changes, it was really a plain waste to actually comment about a date (last month) I was meaning changes in general, no matter how old they where. The old changes in graal (races for once) made people leave (all my friends did, don't have a clue why, but mainly, because they "thaught it was ***".)

Glory · #**120** 11-23-2002, 05:36 AM

No need for a filter anymore, I was talking to unixmad and he replied with.

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Hi (real name edited out for you stalkers, lol),

I will ask Stefan to program a message to not display messages in screen when you have not allowed this guy to send you PM's.

Unix.

I think we can all stop arguing now?

View Poll Results: Lets Stop Abuse On Graal? [Phase 1- Swearing]
Build a built in profanity stopper into Graal.	24	43.64%
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