Pwa - Page 2

Lyndzey · #41 02-17-2006, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I've read that before. If it's really true, then Malinko wold have lost his possition, yes? Malinko was there to help me out with my server, and inspected it for the hosted tab before some of the other pwas....of course, not all have, it takes a while.

Um, it is true. Want me to take a screenshot of the ticket with Malinko's IP attached to it?

Lord Sephiroth · #42 02-17-2006, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mykel

He's just a random player. He doesn't do any dev work that I know of.

He's just a sparrer.

Damix2 · #43 02-17-2006, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I've read that before. If it's really true, then Malinko wold have lost his possition, yes? Malinko was there to help me out with my server, and inspected it for the hosted tab before some of the other pwas....of course, not all have, it takes a while.

Hmm, should I believe Lyndzey, one of the most trusted people on Graal or you, who would have been masked from the scripting forum had this been a year ago?

Tough choice

Warcaptain · #44 02-17-2006, 05:50 AM

Yeah.. sorry to say but I would trust few peoples words over Lyndzey on Graal.

CidNight1142 · #45 02-17-2006, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Damix2

Hmm, should I believe Lyndzey, one of the most trusted people on Graal or you, who would have been masked from the scripting forum had this been a year ago?

Tough choice

I think he was just offering up evidence for Malinko's character, not really taking a "you vs me" position against Lyndzey...

Chris · #46 02-17-2006, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyndzey

I'm sorry but it is extremely difficult for me to carry on a professional relationship with you after what you tried to pull.

http://lyndzey.vip.graal.net/Malinko.html

That was the other information I was told to not make public. But she did. Oh snap.

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I've read that before. If it's really true, then Malinko wold have lost his possition, yes? Malinko was there to help me out with my server, and inspected it for the hosted tab before some of the other pwas....of course, not all have, it takes a while.

Why the hell would she provide false information? Got damn dude. Use your brain. Refer to my first post on the matter of the "higher ups" not doing anything about Malinko.

Mykel · #47 02-17-2006, 07:01 AM

Lyndzey posted logs.

Andy0687 · #48 02-17-2006, 08:54 AM

I dont know what to say about this thread, i think the PWA Hirings have been really one-sided since Spark more or less no longer controlled them.

It was just globals going from one global position to another (sometimes doing two at a time). I think it would have been more fair to do open submissions (though how fair could it be really, could still be fixed) and let other more capable people be in those places.

I have no opinion on literally most of the PWA because ive never seen them, and personal opinions aside i really thought Calani did a brilliant job.

Spark and VT were the only PWAs I had good contact with at the time and had nothing bad to say about them at all.

The playerworld renting service is a bit messed up because Stefan likes to help other servers that already had a chance, and get them back up (Not dissing stefan, but there is Era again, maybe if it were Gold I could understand, there is another classic spot gone).

I dont think it is about how capable you are, its just about who you know, and thats the sad thing about this game right now.

I cant remember where this post was headed now, but graal just isnt fair anymore, thats why its too hard to finish anything here.

WanDaMan · #49 02-17-2006, 11:23 AM

Smutastic · #50 02-17-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagle

Malinko should of been fired? No, you idiot.

I guess you're the idiot, idiot.

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Originally Posted by Eagle

Sure people may not like him,

I liked him untill he tried to **** with Minh, me and Era.

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Originally Posted by Eagle

but face the facts.

Stopped reading here, sorry.

O hey, why don't you just take a look at Chris / Lyndzey's posts? Just to face the facts.

pacMASTA · #51 02-17-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mykel

Lyndzey posted logs.

Not really because its not real logs on the real graal online forumes; Its basically a 3rd party source that has been turned into html and then uploaded ot a different site and we are just given the power to go and see for are selves or not. So no real rules are broken lol..

Lyndzey · #52 02-17-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

If it's really true, then Malinko wold have lost his possition, yes?

Believe me, we have tried to fire him after what he did. Ibonic attempted to remove him, but he was added back because I guess him being active makes up for him being extremely corrupt.

I am annoyed by Malinko trying to make it seem like everyone is out to get him. You brought this onto yourself Malinko, so stop trying to make it look like we hate you for no reason. I don't care if you are on for 16 hours a day, if you PM me "new ideas!" everytime I login, or if you put "<3" messages all over the support center. It doesn't change the fact that you severly broke the rules, and you refuse to admit it.

By the way, next time you make a massive apology, at least admit your past mistakes.

HoudiniMan · #53 02-17-2006, 02:12 PM

Linking to logs isn't a way to bypass the rule about posting logs, but like any good system enforcing rules each violation should be examined on a case by case basis.

The rule was created to prevent people from posting 400 lines of RC chat and asking for bans, or to post incriminating AIM logs which started giant flame wars.

Lyndzey's link was to support a cause she believes in and evidence to support the actions she is asking be taken. The evidence she presents is partly a log of her talking to Malinko to investigate this obvious problem she came across. His defence was incomplete at best, a vicious lie at worst.

Now, in judging the intention of her linked log I think we should take into account a few things:
1) There is no current chief of the PWA to go to (also contributes to why we are slow to respond to many inquiries).
2) The only higher authority she can go to is Stefan for problems concerning globals, as Unixmad generally runs the business aspect of Graal, not the management aspect, from my experience.
3) There is reason to question if Stefan has grasped the problem as nothing has been done about it.

Now, normally this problem on a playerworld would be made into a support ticket to be handled by the appropriate person. However, in this case there is no appropriate authority to handle this request who has not already been asked to handle it, and hasn't.

Many people's only conclusion is that the complaint has been misunderstood, and that page is to better clarify it to anybody wanting an in-depth explanation of Lyndzey's suspicions and the evidence she has to support them.

I do not believe this use of a link to a page that contains a log is violating the spirit of the rule about posting logs. In fact, I believe it to be a courtesy on Lyndzey's part.

dNeonb · #54 02-17-2006, 03:49 PM

Those who said or just voted we do a bad job. It's ok if you think so but then you could also make some suggestions on things we could improve.

I do not mean things like " I made a support ticket about beeing banned on xyz but you didn't unban. You could unban me to do a better job.".

Chicken_l33t · #55 02-17-2006, 04:02 PM

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Those who said or just voted we do a bad job. It's ok if you think so but then you could also make some suggestions on things we could improve.

Already I have suggested some things you should do in the thread I created the other day. Read my first post for some suggestions I made.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64144

CidNight1142 · #56 02-17-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

Those who said or just voted we do a bad job. It's ok if you think so but then you could also make some suggestions on things we could improve.

I do not mean things like " I made a support ticket about beeing banned on xyz but you didn't unban. You could unban me to do a better job.".

I think the main thing most are asking for (I'm really a third party observer here) is simply some more activity and faster response time. It just seems silly that a server that is paying good money for time on the servers has to wait months for a simple response from globals that should probably be more active then that.

Chris · #57 02-17-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

Those who said or just voted we do a bad job. It's ok if you think so but then you could also make some suggestions on things we could improve.

I do not mean things like " I made a support ticket about beeing banned on xyz but you didn't unban. You could unban me to do a better job.".

Its not you or anyone else that I have a problem with. It is just that Malinko is still in a position to take advantage of servers. He barely had any rights when he abused them on Era and now he has even more. Adding to what Lyndzey provide I still do not see why he is around.

You can even check the logs we have on Era with all the proof of his activities. They've been uploaded there for months.

xAndrewx · #58 02-17-2006, 05:58 PM

And this is where the bashing comes in, don't say I didn't warn you.

Kronan · #59 02-17-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

And this is where the bashing comes in, don't say I didn't warn you.

Dun dun dun...

CidNight1142 · #60 02-17-2006, 07:04 PM

Personally, since Malinko has become part of the pwa I haven't heard of any problems...perhaps he has *gasp* changed? I could be wrong, correct me if I am.

Chris · #61 02-17-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CidNight1142

Personally, since Malinko has become part of the pwa I haven't heard of any problems...perhaps he has *gasp* changed? I could be wrong, correct me if I am.

If you read what Lyndzey posted you would find that it happened *gasp* less than a month ago.

CidNight1142 · #62 02-17-2006, 07:15 PM

You could have held the sarcasm if *gasp* you read the part of my post where I said to correct me if I was wrong.

xAndrewx · #63 02-17-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CidNight1142

Personally, since Malinko has become part of the pwa I haven't heard of any problems...perhaps he has *gasp* changed? I could be wrong, correct me if I am.

Malinko did this on Era a few months ago...

Infernix · #64 02-17-2006, 09:51 PM

Last time I checked this was about PWA as a whole not just effing Malinko. Just alittle reminder. Personally all the PWA sucks to me, they are just high class forms of regular old currupt server staff...includeing Malinko who totally admitted it on bab rc. But yea anyways talk about the PWA as a whole not just one lamer.

Crono · #65 02-18-2006, 12:48 AM

The PWA as a whole collapsed after Spark left PWA Admin. They need to make someone the PWA Admin or something because the way it is now, it's innefficient and useless.

I don't really care about corruptness or anything. The good ol days of graal were fun because people -were- corrupt.

Mykel · #66 02-18-2006, 03:26 AM

Let's get Jinx back. I still talk to him about sports from time to time. <3 Jinx and Toran.

HoudiniMan · #67 02-18-2006, 03:33 AM

PWA Admin, or something.

Somebody who wants to get things done with the authority to get them done.

Warcaptain · #68 02-18-2006, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

The PWA as a whole collapsed after Spark left PWA Admin. They need to make someone the PWA Admin or something because the way it is now, it's innefficient and useless.

I don't really care about corruptness or anything. The good ol days of graal were fun because people -were- corrupt.

the problem is that stefan wants to to make one of the current PWA admins.. and thats the problem.

i dont see how making of the members of a problematic staff head of the rest is going to help. :-\

Damix2 · #69 02-18-2006, 05:57 AM

Bjorn or GrowlZ fit the mold for PWA admin fine. Though Bjorn does have GK to worry about also. Maybe Sam should be player manager there?

protagonist · #70 02-18-2006, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

They need to make someone the PWA Admin or something because the way it is now, it's innefficient and useless.

HoudiniMan · #71 02-18-2006, 06:11 AM

How exactly are we "problematic" WarCaptain?...

Infernix · #72 02-18-2006, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

How exactly are we "problematic" WarCaptain?...

I think the fact that you asked that question is just going to start a "problem" itself as in some stupid arguement between you, warcaptain and others in which you try to prove whose right and wrong.

Maybe you should have ignored it huh huh? Or maybe just simply say youll try to do better cause last time I checked there is no problem with trying to do better with anything.

Alittle maturity please, seriously your PWA not just another player.

Damix2 · #73 02-18-2006, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Infernix

I think the fact that you asked that question is just going to start a "problem" itself as in some stupid arguement between you, warcaptain and others in which you try to prove whose right and wrong.

Maybe you should have ignored it huh huh? Or maybe just simply say youll try to do better cause last time I checked there is no problem with trying to do better with anything.

Alittle maturity please, seriously your PWA not just another player.

What the hell? He can't fix something if he doesn't know what wrong. Are you just plain ignorant?

HoudiniMan · #74 02-18-2006, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Infernix

I think the fact that you asked that question is just going to start a "problem" itself as in some stupid arguement between you, warcaptain and others in which you try to prove whose right and wrong.

Maybe you should have ignored it huh huh? Or maybe just simply say youll try to do better cause last time I checked there is no problem with trying to do better with anything.

Alittle maturity please, seriously your PWA not just another player.

I'm giving WarCaptain the benefit of the doubt until he gives the mods a reason not to. They can remove any silly posts.

Andy0687 · #75 02-18-2006, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

They need to make someone the PWA Admin or something because the way it is now, it's innefficient and useless.

Please dont say that otherwise they will make just someone the admin and it will stay just the same.

They could hold some kind of open thing like they did that one time (lol talk about years ago). The problem there is still that in this case its not always the best canadate but sometimes the best known canadate that will get picked (Depending on who would judge and what their bias is).

HoudiniMan · #76 02-18-2006, 06:44 AM

They held that for supermod, a slightly more popularity-oriented job

Andy0687 · #77 02-18-2006, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

They held that for supermod, a slightly more popularity-oriented job

Actually if I remember correct and the situation i am actually talking about would have been the open PWA Team thing with which im positive you were hired in.

It was done somewhat poorly as well, banking mostly on having the most "Managers" or global staff on your side would get you further on. It shaped up to be a bit of a popularity contest as well.

Mykel · #78 02-18-2006, 07:26 AM

I think the PWA Admin is a position that needs to be more vocal in the global community. Everyone wants to know what is going on. Everyone wants to know any changes that happen. Spark did this very well.

Darlene159 · #79 02-18-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

They could hold some kind of open thing like they did that one time (lol talk about years ago). The problem there is still that in this case its not always the best canadate but sometimes the best known canadate that will get picked (Depending on who would judge and what their bias is).

I don't agree with hiring admins in this way.
Alot of times, the best likely candidate might be someone who is not so popular, or is known for being a stickler for the rules, and not liked very much for that reason.
Afterall, staff of anykind should be able to follow/enforce the Graal rules consistantly, and completely...but especially someone who is hired as Global staff who is in control of other staff, or staff who is in control of Graal as a whole.
Global staff should not be hired just because they are well known and liked...there are alot of other things to look at in a candidate, and they should be hired by Stefan and/or Unixmad, but they could get input about people from other Globals who are active on Graal (or someone that they know and trust), and might know candidates better than they would.

Kronan · #80 02-18-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mykel

Let's get Jinx back. I still talk to him about sports from time to time. <3 Jinx and Toran.

Lol, I remember Toran. I hired him for PWA back in the day >=)

Jinx was the man. =p

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