Hell Raven's Rampage on Del - Page 2

WHIPENIE4 · #41 05-30-2002, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by albus777

IT was probably him that did it, even though they think it was a bug. But everyone got warped to detention, and couldn't get out. People kept on getting warped there.

(X-Mann)
Actually most of the staff believe it was Hell Raven, just covering it up saying it was a glitch

thesaiyan · #42 05-30-2002, 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by Yakuna2001

heh, funny, i am banned from there for hacking cause i had a gotheart on my attributes to the system auto banned me. how funny considering i never hacked and gothearts can be obtained from any number of reasons. change your system if i were you, might explain why you only get 5 players on, cause the rest are auto banned.

Moonie, Im sorry.

I was pissed because Yakuna came online to start some trouble. The only way for you to get that heart flag was to try to hack it. On your account that you wanted me to unban, the heart was dropped in the intro. There is no possible way that any staff nor player could have healed you like you said. The intro levels only support one player per level. So that proves that you tried to add a heart. And you saying things about the server just because it has 5 players on is really disrespectful. Shaded Legend has been up way longer than UN. SL is going through changes right now. There isn't much to do on it right now. But just you wait. The owners and Development having been working for so long of the new overworld that it will be great. Why don't you come there and check it out when its done.

Yakuna2001 · #43 05-30-2002, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by thesaiyan

Moonie, Im sorry. I was pissed because Yakuna came online to start some trouble. The only way for you to get that heart flag was to try to hack it. On your account that you wanted me to unban, the heart was dropped in the intro. There is no possible way that any staff nor player could have healed you like you said. The intro levels only support one player per level. So that proves that you tried to add a heart. And you saying things about the server just because it has 5 players on is really disrespectful. Shaded Legend has been up way longer than UN. SL is going through changes right now. There isn't much to do on it right now. But just you wait. The owners and Development having been working for so long of the new overworld that it will be great. Why don't you come there and check it out when its done.

a) i didnt come online to start trouble, i went to check out events because people said they were good.
b) i try to get on only to find im banned for reasons unknown to me at the time, i ask why and im told im a hacker.
c) i have absolutly no idea how i got a gotheart flag. no one has access to my account except me, so unless i was hacked, im the only one that could posibly of done it, however i DIDNT ( you only have my word for that but i assure you im not a hacker jeez ) i only wanted to go check it out and see why my account is banned. i dont particularly care if im banned, but if i were you id check your system, because i certainly DIDNT hack. presume what you like, just trying to help.

Yakuna2001 · #44 05-30-2002, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by thesaiyan

Moonie, Im sorry. I was pissed because Yakuna came online to start some trouble. The only way for you to get that heart flag was to try to hack it. On your account that you wanted me to unban, the heart was dropped in the intro. There is no possible way that any staff nor player could have healed you like you said. The intro levels only support one player per level. So that proves that you tried to add a heart. And you saying things about the server just because it has 5 players on is really disrespectful. Shaded Legend has been up way longer than UN. SL is going through changes right now. There isn't much to do on it right now. But just you wait. The owners and Development having been working for so long of the new overworld that it will be great. Why don't you come there and check it out when its done.

one mroe thing, saying it has 5 players on isnt disrespectful, its a fact
what is disrespectful is when you go ahead and bring my own server into it calling it a hacking server blah blah, when tis nothing to do with the conversation, like you did. pfft.

thesaiyan · #45 05-31-2002, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Yakuna2001

a) i didnt come online to start trouble, i went to check out events because people said they were good.
b) i try to get on only to find im banned for reasons unknown to me at the time, i ask why and im told im a hacker.
c) i have absolutly no idea how i got a gotheart flag. no one has access to my account except me, so unless i was hacked, im the only one that could posibly of done it, however i DIDNT ( you only have my word for that but i assure you im not a hacker jeez ) i only wanted to go check it out and see why my account is banned. i dont particularly care if im banned, but if i were you id check your system, because i certainly DIDNT hack. presume what you like, just trying to help.

You say you didn't hack. But you have the flags. Either someone got access to your account or you did it. I would not have been able to unban the account anyway because once an account it auto for illegal flags, it stays like that or you can reset it.

Darlene159 · #46 05-31-2002, 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by BBflat

I agree with you that you didn't have an attitude in your post, but I am still waiting to hear why you think Shaded Legend hires hackers. Until you have something to back it up, it is just a rumor.

A good example of how lenient they are towards hackers. And if you didn't get the gotheart flag by hacking, how the heck did you get it?

I said "someone there told me that", but it should be checked into

BBflat · #47 05-31-2002, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by Darlene159

I said "someone there told me that", but it should be checked into

You could at least tell us someone we can verify that with. Just telling us someone told you that doesn't mean anything.

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Originally posted by Yakuna2001

heh, funny, i am banned from there for hacking cause i had a gotheart on my attributes to the system auto banned me. how funny considering i never hacked and gothearts can be obtained from any number of reasons. change your system if i were you, might explain why you only get 5 players on, cause the rest are auto banned.

Change our system, why? It catches hackers. You think it's faulty? It is actually very simple. If you have a shield, sword, or glove above level 1, you get the hacker flag and jailed. This also happens if you have magic or you have more than 4 hearts. When a GP or Admin comes on and sees a player with the hacker flag, the person is immediately banned and disconnected. What's to look into?

SinNetherwind · #48 05-31-2002, 02:51 AM

just Global Ip Ban Hell Raven. He's a jerk and yes it was him that hacked Delteria because everyone whos jailed nicknames change to !JAILED! and there head images change to the word Lamer, and hell raven and RC's where the only ppl not jailed. oh well.

Minoc · #49 05-31-2002, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by SinNetherwind
just Global Ip Ban Hell Raven. He's a jerk and yes it was him that hacked Delteria because everyone whos jailed nicknames change to !JAILED! and there head images change to the word Lamer, and hell raven and RC's where the only ppl not jailed. oh well.

IP bans can't help X_X

BBflat · #50 05-31-2002, 03:20 AM

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Originally posted by SinNetherwind
just Global Ip Ban Hell Raven. He's a jerk and yes it was him that hacked Delteria because everyone whos jailed nicknames change to !JAILED! and there head images change to the word Lamer, and hell raven and RC's where the only ppl not jailed. oh well.

Since when do you global IP ban people for being jerks? Not that I can say I have ever seen him being a jerk...

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Originally posted by Minoc

IP bans can't help X_X

They can't? In my experience, IP bans work great.

Sir Kwang · #51 05-31-2002, 03:29 AM

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Originally posted by BBflat

Since when do you global IP ban people for being jerks? Not that I can say I have ever seen him being a jerk...

They can't? In my experience, IP bans work great.

no they dont big guy, they always get through it

Darlene159 · #52 05-31-2002, 05:21 AM

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Originally posted by Sir Kwang

no they dont big guy, they always get through it

Not always, only if their IP always changes, or if they mask it
and BB whatever your nick is.......I am not getting someone in trouble, if you chose not to look into it, thats your choice

voicedcow6666 · #53 05-31-2002, 05:44 AM

Aaahhh, Zega posts....

1) I know for a fact he hacked Delteria and Classic...don't ask me how I know, cause all I'll say is from a reliable source...
2) The first time he hacked Delteria when I was on, I banned his account only to keep him off for a minute then IP banned him...now he struck again...it's not very hard to spoof IP's people...
3) There needs to be a better ban system...right now it's not extremely hard to get past a ban, account or IP...
4) Hell Raven was staff on X....oh lookie, where did X go? heh...

Hell Raven has been hacking and causing havoc for God knows how long and Stefan and Unixmad know this, yes the only thing that's been done is X has been shut down...Priorities need to be take to protect Graal and Graal servers from people like him.

Later,
Zega

nyghtGT · #54 05-31-2002, 05:54 AM

Wolf: Doesn't anybody realize that after he gets banned, he will come back? Doesn't anyone realize that after he leaves somone new will come? Graal will never be free of hackers, as the world will never be free of war. Now dont be a hipocrit and say "WAR ISNT HACKING AT ALL, LEARN TO EXAMPLEIZE" or something or rather. Just leave him be, obviously if he can program and hack he proves his intelligence to all of you. Think of hell raven as a graal teenager. All he wants is to be himself for all we know. Some people just want to raise hell, we cant stop it. STOP COMPLAINING.

voicedcow6666 · #55 05-31-2002, 06:06 AM

heh...The only reason "Wolf" or whoever said that is because he's not hacking whatever server he's from...When you work hard to get something accomplished then someone comes and starts screwing it up for nothing more then pure pleasure, you naturally get pissed...

nyghtGT · #56 05-31-2002, 06:10 AM

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Originally posted by voicedcow6666
heh...The only reason "Wolf" or whoever said that is because he's not hacking whatever server he's from...When you work hard to get something accomplished then someone comes and starts screwing it up for nothing more then pure pleasure, you naturally get pissed...

Wolf: The reason "I" said that is because I have seen hackers in action and I used to be one myself. Ofcourse HellRaven does it for pleasure, graal is boring without hackers... imagine if everything went fine and nothing ever screwed up. That would be pretty DAMN boring.

thesaiyan · #57 05-31-2002, 06:22 AM

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Originally posted by BBflat

You could at least tell us someone we can verify that with. Just telling us someone told you that doesn't mean anything.

Change our system, why? It catches hackers. You think it's faulty? It is actually very simple. If you have a shield, sword, or glove above level 1, you get the hacker flag and jailed. This also happens if you have magic or you have more than 4 hearts. When a GP or Admin comes on and sees a player with the hacker flag, the person is immediately banned and disconnected. What's to look into?

Omg, are you in my head or something? Cause finally someone understands how our jail system on SL works. Yakuna and his friend were caught and they just don't want to admit it. The system auto jailed / banned them and the flags are there to prove it.

Yakuna2001 · #58 05-31-2002, 06:40 AM

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Originally posted by thesaiyan

Omg, are you in my head or something? Cause finally someone understands how our jail system on SL works. Yakuna and his friend were caught and they just don't want to admit it. The system auto jailed / banned them and the flags are there to prove it.

listen pal, if i hacked id openly admit it, but fact is i didnt, think whaty u like, i dont have time to even play the server normally let alone go there to hack a heart.maybe 3 years ago i would of, but u know, peopel grow up. i try to approach you in a sensible way and ask you tounban you declare me a hacker, well fine, whatever pal.

voicedcow6666 · #59 05-31-2002, 06:49 AM

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Originally posted by nyghtGT

Wolf: The reason "I" said that is because I have seen hackers in action and I used to be one myself. Ofcourse HellRaven does it for pleasure, graal is boring without hackers... imagine if everything went fine and nothing ever screwed up. That would be pretty DAMN boring.

I would much rather have it boring...

nyghtGT · #60 05-31-2002, 06:50 AM

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Originally posted by voicedcow6666

I would much rather have it boring...

Wolf: Go make your own game and get US Army INTEL to program you one of the best firewalls. HAVE FUN

Minoc · #61 05-31-2002, 07:36 AM

Moongoddess: what are you smoking, i never said admin. Aside from that, if SL hired me it wouldn't be for harboring a hacker, it would be because I am very skilled at both making levels and scripting.

Whoever said IP ban: They cant ip ban me, simply put.

And yes they are just assuming I did the hack on delteria (I did admit to the classic one to tyhm allready.) Its just like something the bunch of kids that run it would do. Playerworld staff is completely unprofessional. Even some of the 2k1/2k2 staff is. If i was going to commend any staff, it would be classic. Tyhm runs his team well, and Dark Cloud has the right ideas although I yell at him anyway (natrually his ideas are against me, so why wouldn't I.) They didn't just assume I did it, unlike Delteria.

--Hell Raven.

voicedcow6666 · #62 05-31-2002, 07:45 AM

Lol...straight up, the first time I did assume, because you happened to be on right when it all started happening and you had hacked on there a little before and you threatened to do again. After I banned the account then d/ced you it magically stopped...hmm....then I talked to someone, who's name will not be released, and the information was verified and I knew for a fact that it was you...

We're not as ignorant as you think...

Minoc · #63 05-31-2002, 07:59 AM

The fact still stands I was banned during the assumption stage, and you can't deny that.

--Hell Raven

-Axel- · #64 05-31-2002, 08:09 AM

I could never get I.P. banned due to the fact my I.P. changes everyday >=D

voicedcow6666 · #65 05-31-2002, 08:15 AM

Yes, I banned you during the assumption stage, but the fact is, it was you...cause ya just did it again...

thesaiyan · #66 05-31-2002, 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by Yakuna2001

listen pal, if i hacked id openly admit it, but fact is i didnt, think whaty u like, i dont have time to even play the server normally let alone go there to hack a heart.maybe 3 years ago i would of, but u know, peopel grow up. i try to approach you in a sensible way and ask you tounban you declare me a hacker, well fine, whatever pal.

I know, you came to me nice and ask me. But then once I told you. You began to be all offensive and saying our system is crap and that it needs to be replaced or whatever. And your GP was very rude. Calling the other staff names.

thesaiyan · #67 05-31-2002, 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by -Axel-
I could never get I.P. banned due to the fact my I.P. changes everyday >=D

Heh, thats what you think. If they ban an IP class such as 172. whatever which is probably what you have. Then you wouldn't be able to connect.

Minoc · #68 05-31-2002, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by thesaiyan

Heh, thats what you think. If they ban an IP class such as 172. whatever which is probably what you have. Then you wouldn't be able to connect.

If they banned an ip class such as 172 they would be banning a hell of a lot of people

--Hell Raven

BBflat · #69 05-31-2002, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by thesaiyan

Heh, thats what you think. If they ban an IP class such as 172. whatever which is probably what you have. Then you wouldn't be able to connect.

Rofl. That would be bad for Graal. I guess your point was it is possible to IP ban him, though, so I guess that's correct.

Googi · #70 05-31-2002, 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by Minoc
The fact still stands I was banned during the assumption stage, and you can't deny that.

--Hell Raven

Maybe, but you would run out of P2P accounts.

Minoc · #71 05-31-2002, 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by Googi

Maybe, but you would run out of P2P accounts.

To my recollection I don't believe I actually used a p2p account on delteria

Besides if you're banning p2p accounts i use you arent actually banning MY accounts

--Hell Raven

BBflat · #72 05-31-2002, 09:54 AM

Um. After the account wipe, we will be able to make trial accounts again, right? If he wanted to, he could just make some of those and use one whenever he wanted to have some fun on a server.

Xbob42 · #73 05-31-2002, 10:20 AM

I understand many of you will be quick to accuse Hell Raven of those hackings mainly because of his past records.
I for one don't believe he did it. If there's a program out there that he or someone else made then I don't think they will be dumb enough to go out and use it. Instead they would get some stupid newbie to go and test out the program and let them get caught.

You forget that Hell Raven isn't the only person that has been hanging around that is known for hacking. Another individual named High Tech has been hanging around many Graal servers. Yeah the guy that has made many trojans to steal people's passwords. Now I'm not saying that High Tech did it either.

These guys are not going to be the ones to test out their own programs on Graal so they can get banned. Most people that make programs like this will get some fool to test it out for them.
Anyone could be responsible for this. If they didn't do it then I assure you that they 'probably' know who is responsible and/or took part in testing the program out.

Whatever the case I don't think it's right to accuse people like so.
If they did it and are proved to be the ones then may they rest with whatever punishment Stefan sees fit for them for ruining his game.

~Prince Dark

BBflat · #74 05-31-2002, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Xbob42
Most people that make programs like this will get some fool to test it out for them.

What are you basing this statistic on?

Darlene159 · #75 05-31-2002, 10:33 AM

ok...hell raven just admitted to hacking other peoples accounts to hack, and hell raven I can pull out history on the admin thing from AIM, so dont lie....you think you can get by with everything...seems like you got X shut down, does that make you happy?
Its people like you who ruin graal

xbob, he as much as admitted to me that he was hacking the servers, he cameon npulse doing it...then he said "off to Deltaria"
so yea, he did it

Max-imus · #76 05-31-2002, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Darlene159
seems like you got X shut down, does that make you happy?
Its people like you who ruin graal

xbob, he as much as admitted to me that he was hacking the servers, he cameon npulse doing it...then he said "off to Deltaria"
so yea, he did it

What annoys me the most is the ignorant people that are actually sticking up for hackers such as Hell Raven, and they see nothing wrong with what he and other hackers are doing :grrr:

ZanderX · #77 05-31-2002, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by Max-imus

What annoys me the most is the ignorant people that are actually sticking up for hackers such as Hell Raven, and they see nothing wrong with what he and other hackers are doing :grrr:

I don't mean to sound like, well, the Devil's Advocate, but...you do realize that hackers help Graal, right?

Darlene159 · #78 05-31-2002, 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

I don't mean to sound like, well, the Devil's Advocate, but...you do realize that hackers help Graal, right?

I dont believe we are talking about helpful hacking here if there is such a thing, so what you said does not apply

ZanderX · #79 05-31-2002, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by Darlene159

I dont believe we are talking about helpful hacking here if there is such a thing, so what you said does not apply

There are no "benign" nor "malevolent" hackers, they all do the same thing and serve the same purpose.

All hackers eventually lead to better security, both on servers and in the Graal server and client itself.

If you can't see this, it's your problem and I won't try and argue it with you.

HeeroYuy2000 · #80 05-31-2002, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by Flamingblaze