How do you know...

Rufus · #1 07-19-2004, 01:32 AM

How do you know if a graphic is allowed to be used globally or not?

Scott · #2 07-19-2004, 04:15 AM

Common sense.

Nitkizi · #3 07-19-2004, 05:00 AM

Zing! We have a weiner. [weiner as in the funny spelling of winner]

LordZen · #4 07-19-2004, 08:25 AM

What graphic could you possibly be talking about that has the possibility of being used globaly? Considering that, its currently impossible to do that, and all (adding new global gfx).

haro41 · #5 07-19-2004, 09:20 AM

you knew he meant if it is availible for public use, such as gfx from classic graal or graal 2001

LordZen · #6 07-19-2004, 09:51 AM

Actually, I honestly didnt read it like that. lol

Rufus, its safest to just use gfx on a server that the staff for that server made..

Virtually nothing is allowed to be used globaly since most gfx are made by individual playerworlds, and only those servers get to use them if they want.

From GK, you can use the trees, and I keep forgetting what else. I've heard different things about the grass tiles and such from GK.

Rufus · #7 07-19-2004, 03:39 PM

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and I keep forgetting what else

Well arent you a great Global GFX Admin..

Crono · #8 07-19-2004, 03:57 PM

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Well arent you a great Global GFX Admin..

Well aren't you a great person. "gee i wundur which gfx i shuld stel w/ permison cuz i r lazy

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If you're talking about things like candle.gif, I have no clue. I think that graphics which dont have the playerworld name in them should be able to be used by everyone. Like window.gif :/

Spark910 · #9 07-19-2004, 04:52 PM

Generic names, like bomb.png can be used.

haro41 · #10 07-19-2004, 07:42 PM

i have my own rule that says if it doesnt have playerworld_name.ext
i can use it

LordZen · #11 07-19-2004, 08:07 PM

Not such a great rule. Because if somebody gets pissed and can prove that they made it, I'm still gonna side with them.

Rufus · #12 07-19-2004, 08:10 PM

How can someone prove that they have made a graphic?

Crono · #13 07-19-2004, 08:25 PM

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Not such a great rule. Because if somebody gets pissed and can prove that they made it, I'm still gonna side with them.

Good. Then you can delete the illegal gfx for us. ^_^;

Scott · #14 07-19-2004, 08:27 PM

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Not such a great rule. Because if somebody gets pissed and can prove that they made it, I'm still gonna side with them.

Oh, I don't know, because it was made for a specific purpose on their server? They have the drafts? They're known for what they can make?

Rufus · #15 07-19-2004, 09:31 PM

Doesn't prove much.

Scott · #16 07-19-2004, 09:45 PM

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Doesn't prove much.

You're an idiot.

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Rufus · #17 07-19-2004, 11:05 PM

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because it was made for a specific purpose on their server?

Well you could say that it was made for a specific purpose on YOUR server, how does this prove who made the graphic?

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They have the drafts?

How many people save drafts of every piece of work they make hmm?

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They're known for what they can make

This still does not prove that they made the specific graphic regardless of what there skills are.

No, I am not an idiot I am just pointing out the facts.

Scott · #18 07-19-2004, 11:23 PM

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Well you could say that it was made for a specific purpose on YOUR server, how does this prove who made the graphic?

Usually if the graphic is stolen, it's not exactly perfectly fit for it's use as it was for it's orginal intent.

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How many people save drafts of every piece of work they make hmm?

Alot. EDIT: And if they don't, most people share their progress with friends.

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This still does not prove that they made the specific graphic regardless of what there skills are.

Yes it does, or we could say Van Gogh didn't make the art he did. Were we there to witness it?

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No, I am not an idiot I am just pointing out the facts.

Yes you are, and your "facts" and "opinions" are oblivious.

Crono · #19 07-19-2004, 11:44 PM

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You're an idiot.

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I got banished for saying that roleplaying is a bad excuse to crossdress. Watch it Scotty

(Well, I said "Roleplaying is a piss poor excuse to crossdress" or something along those lines, just translating for our English impaired counterparts)

Rufus · #20 07-19-2004, 11:47 PM

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Usually if the graphic is stolen, it's not exactly perfectly fit for it's use as it was for it's orginal intent.

That is very untrue as most stolen graphics can be fitted into anything.

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Alot. EDIT: And if they don't, most people share their progress with friends.

It is easy to create a draft of an image you didn't create.

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Yes it does, or we could say Van Gogh didn't make the art he did. Were we there to witness it?

I was stating that just because someone has talent doesn't mean they can claim they made something under an argument and it automatically belongs to them just because they could have made it.

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Yes you are, and your "facts" and "opinions" are oblivious.

And who the hell are you?

Scott · #21 07-19-2004, 11:55 PM

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That is very untrue as most stolen graphics can be fitted into anything.

No, not really. If I stole a tree from Oasis, and tried to use it on 3D terrain. Well, 1) Everybody knows those Trees. 2) It wouldn't look right.

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It is easy to create a draft of an image you didn't create.

I wouldn't know.

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I was stating that just because someone has talent doesn't mean they can claim they made something under an argument and it automatically belongs to them just because they could have made it.

If it matches their style, and what they're capable of I don't see what your argument is. Every artist has his or her own level and style.

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And who the hell are you?

Looking back at the comment I made, I think it came out wrong. >_> Very ignorant of me.

Crono · #22 07-20-2004, 12:01 AM

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And who the hell are you?

that's scott, a well respected part of the graalian community.

haunter · #23 07-20-2004, 12:03 AM

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How many people save drafts of every piece of work they make hmm?

I do. I usually save the PSD files for everything I make. Layers and all.

Rufus · #24 07-20-2004, 12:09 AM

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No, not really. If I stole a tree from Oasis, and tried to use it on 3D terrain. Well, 1) Everybody knows those Trees. 2) It wouldn't look right

But if you were going to steal a tree graphic wouldn't you steal a one that actually looked right? It is common sence.

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I wouldn't know.

Yeah well you cant really say much about it then so why not just stop?

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If it matches their style, and what they're capable of I don't see what your argument is. Every artist has his or her own level and style.

That statement of "every artist has his or her own level and style" applies only to people with limited skills. People may incorporate their own style but many styles can be copied and such.

jake13jake · #25 07-20-2004, 12:32 AM

Okay, this is why I think that graphics should be downloaded into separate folders named after the server they came from. Then there should also be an offline/ directory and a global/ directory.

As for the style argument, I definately have my own style... ex. I chop up a lot of stuff into sprites... Ex. One thing I made was a spider body, two spider heads (one red eyed, one green) and a pair of legs. Then I moved them into gani.

These should be GFX rules: No rectangular graphics using just tiles from the tileset (some people make them to cover the tops of their doors... this can be just as easily achieved by doing showimg.. for loops can even make the script shorter). I think I was thinking of another one but if I was I forgot it (for now at least).

LordZen · #26 07-22-2004, 09:00 AM

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Oh, I don't know, because it was made for a specific purpose on their server? They have the drafts? They're known for what they can make?

Eh? Did you quote the wrong person in that post, possibly? Its confusing seeing my quote above that.

Rufus. What are you trying to do? Argue in favor of being allowed to use anybody's work?

Its actually really easy in most cases to tell if a particular image belongs to another server. Firstly, you dont usually find large conspiracies of every staff member lying, or every player. If somebody was trying to lie, with as many people as there is playing the different servers, you can rest assured that somebody is going to be able to see through that. Your describing it as being something more difficult than it really is.

But, of course, if by some mistake of chance there is nobody able to provide proof beyond a doubt that it belongs to a particular playerworld, I can always simply check the dates the image was uploaded on each server to see which server had it first...

xxCloudxx · #27 07-22-2004, 01:33 PM

What if you find 2 server's with the exact same date

j\k sorry

Rufus · #28 07-22-2004, 02:37 PM

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I can always simply check the dates the image was uploaded on each server to see which server had it first...

But that doesn't prove that they made the graphic at all. People always ask each other for there opinions before they release them so the person supposed to be giving the opinion might then take it and upload it onto his/her server and that would be proof enough that they made it?

Crono · #29 07-22-2004, 02:42 PM

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What if you find 2 server's with the exact same date

j\k sorry

Find out which server the graphic is meant for?

Rufus · #30 07-22-2004, 02:56 PM

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Find out which server the graphic is meant for?

What if its a.. chair?

LordZen · #31 07-22-2004, 11:09 PM

Name one instance of such a thing happening that was never able to be resolved.

Crono · #32 07-22-2004, 11:22 PM

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What if its a.. chair?

Who cares? Just look at which of the two servers its meant for. :/

Scott · #33 07-22-2004, 11:55 PM

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Eh? Did you quote the wrong person in that post, possibly? Its confusing seeing my quote above that.

Oops, ya I did. Sorry.

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But if you were going to steal a tree graphic wouldn't you steal a one that actually looked right? It is common sence.

I don't know what you're trying to imply. You seem to have vast knowledge in this, what's that about? I would think if somone was going to steal a tree graphic, ya they would try and find one that fit in with the style of their server. Seriously, what are the chances of the graphic style being so damn similar? You can tell between the quality of that tree graphic and the crap the thief has "made."

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Yeah well you cant really say much about it then so why not just stop?

Sorry I didn't invest into Art Thiefs 101

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That statement of "every artist has his or her own level and style" applies only to people with limited skills. People may incorporate their own style but many styles can be copied and such.

Applies to people with limited skills? What the hell? Ofcourse a style can be copied, but it's totally obvious in most cases to see where it was copied. See Mykels thread in the PWA forum, it was obvious the GUI was copied from Oasis. How could you possibly know and measure the restrictions of different artists? I refuse to read anymore of you naive crap.