Quite possibly the reason Kingdoms is ****ty.

[darkemporor]

Originally posted by Splke
...but now people can have simple gear (boots, helm, shield) and get them +10 and thats -38 or so AC...

I don't know if that actually is true. Maybe I will test this on debug for you... but so what? Why is having one player on the server who is able to +10 items a bad thing? It's like you said, you didn't complain when you got +7 and it was the highest enchantment available. So it's clearly obvious why are you complaining now about +10.

D1ce2, ...doesnt have to even Level up, because he knows some Sagesuns who EA'd his stuff...

I resent your continuous attack on Sagesuns in forums. The most dangerous people on this game mix lies with truth to formulate their complaints. The truth is Tec +10'd all of D1ce2's stuff and he possesses some of that 'legends' old items now.

And by the way, it was Tecumsah who got plat, diamond, map, scroll and item RICH from his ability to +10 enchant LONG before Zoe ever could. So how the game suffers now because Zoe is selective about how much more high enchantments are released is beyond me.

The rest of us however, either get constantly ignored, or slammed with 200 diamond prices for 1 peice of gear...

Maybe you get ignored because after awhile your negative comments become ENOUGH. Why should anyone who makes a constant effort to bash Sagesuns expect anything from them? Common sense.

Anywhom, sorry for complainning...

You're not sorry. If you were, you'd stop it and find some way to be more of a success in your game without continuously complaining, pointing your finger, naming names and blaming everyone else when you encounter things that you cannot change.

Wren

[darkemporor]

Originally posted by skyler87
Noone was meant to be able to get past level 60.

That doesn't make sense to me. If players were not meant to achieve levels above 60, they wouldn't be able to.

Wren

[skyler87]

Originally posted by darkemporor



That doesn't make sense to me. If players were not meant to achieve levels above 60, they wouldn't be able to.

Wren

I didn't mean that in a literal way..I'm just saying that noone would have the time, patience, or items to level up past level 60 without stacked brutals and other bugs. That's why we have this problem with high armour enchantments in the first place.

And I have to agree, it was Tec who completely ruined the server, Zoe really had nothing to do with it (nor did anyone else).

[Splke]

Originally posted by darkemporor


I don't know if that actually is true. Maybe I will test this on debug for you... but so what? Why is having one player on the server who is able to +10 items a bad thing? It's like you said, you didn't complain when you got +7 and it was the highest enchantment available. So it's clearly obvious why are you complaining now about +10.

GO ahead, make sure you include his Sandals, Havoks with ac+1 and wc+2 and his perfect cloak...

I resent your continuous attack on Sagesuns in forums. The most dangerous people on this game mix lies with truth to formulate their complaints. The truth is Tec +10'd all of D1ce2's stuff and he possesses some of that 'legends' old items now.

I know, if you would read my first post, without picking through it and seeing only "OMG ZOE RUINED TEH GAMEZOR" then you would of seen, and I WILL QUOTE IT FOR YOU!

"I dont think that Zoe herself should be blamed for the past +8 / +9 / +10 since she herself may or earned that (without stacked maps)...

Tecumseh before her, Shobre somewhat before him and Wren as well all contributed too the high Enchantments... It isnt as if I didnt benefit from the +7-+10 's of them, but now people can have simple gear (boots, helm, shield) and get them +10 and thats -38 or so AC...

NOTICE I DID NOT SINGLE HER OUT... You guys are simply trying to make me look bad by reading between the lines... maybe you should have Tec help you read, he seems to be better at responding to posts as a whole thing, not just individual parts of posts that you find and manipulate to your own ways...

And by the way, it was Tecumsah who got plat, diamond, map, scroll and item RICH from his ability to +10 enchant LONG before Zoe ever could. So how the game suffers now because Zoe is selective about how much more high enchantments are released is beyond me.

Im not adressing the cost as the main problem, you guys are looking at it that way, or in the way that im mad cause I cant own... If you read back, I said the main problem is the imbalanced gameplay +10 has caused.... again, you twist my words to suit your cause.

Maybe you get ignored because after awhile your negative comments become ENOUGH. Why should anyone who makes a constant effort to bash Sagesuns expect anything from them? Common sense.

At least I say things to your face, unlike all the others who sit and have bashing contests about Sagesun.. Think about it, really really hard.... Would you rather KNOW somebody hates you, or have it so somebody secretly hates you and makes you express a positive attitude towards then, waste energy being nice to them, etc.

You're not sorry. If you were, you'd stop it and find some way to be more of a success in your game without continuously complaining, pointing your finger, naming names and blaming everyone else when you encounter things that you cannot change.

Wren

Incorrect, I am sorry for this becomming a me vs. Zoe thing, I didnt plan on it happenning that way, she just happened to become the main subject because you guys felt like making me look bad....

Actually, I am quite the sucess... I have many friends and I feel that in itself is worth more then any lvl I could attain....

Oh, and I may point fingers (notice the plural word usage :o) but at least I know what Im talkin about when I do, unlike how I used too be...

"Naming Names and blaming everyone else.." AH!! but you see, the true beauty, is it is the people faults, since they are the ones with the level capability to EA things that high...

[Nappa]

Zoe +10'ed all my stuff except for my FHoM for me. For free too. Im not a sagesun person. So I guess im special or something.

Anyway, leave Zoe alone. She worked hard for what she has, leave it at that. If your jelous, go out and level for yourself.

And no, I do not say that just because she EA'ed my items.

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by skyler87
And I have to agree, it was Tec who completely ruined the server, Zoe really had nothing to do with it (nor did anyone else).

It were maps who ruined the server.

By the way: Don't double post Wren ;o

[tc_topcat]

Originally posted by meishanli

And oh yeah Misty, Sagesuns do help..they nice to talk to, help alot...and Ana helped Huang even though she doesn't really know him...
And without Sagesun, I won't be where I am now <3

I was saying even though i have asked nicely for help none of them have helped me, i can survive without the help as i am happy with what i have got, and if i depratley need some help i got some good mates in graal <3 but thats what i was meaning, its basically giving out things to a certain few is making it almost impossible for newbies in the world until they have played for almost a year...besides i know why people help Huang
Before Sagesun you were in the Di's and you might be forgetting too soon, but you had got a lot of help then before Sagesun

[Satrek2000]

I can't help it, but... seeing how heated this discussion is, I believe this server could become a great realm of first class roleplaying... if not a large number of players would waste their time complaining and arguing about things for the only reason they they are jealous, not that strong anymore, lazy or whatever (pick whatever suits you).
Really now, if pking is your way of living then play classic.
If you want to be a noble fighter to defend yourself and others, that's fine, but don't complain if others try the same.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Splke

Im not adressing the cost as the main problem, you guys are looking at it that way, or in the way that im mad cause I cant own... If you read back, I said the main problem is the imbalanced gameplay +10 has caused.... again, you twist my words to suit your cause.

It's my personal opinion (=x) that there was imbalance long before people could bless +10 or whatever. Like, there were a group of players and they were all friends, and one or two of them could enchant to like +5-7, and so they did all their selective group of friends who were still lingering around lvl20-30. These guys became the powerplayers, and because they had such high enchants where only a few other people could even do +3 for themselves, it meant that noone could spend 5 minutes in Bmode without being killed five times over. Zoe, tec, shobre, whoever the hell, being able to enchant to +10 isn't creating a bad situation, it's just making one worse. o_O

Originally posted by Satrek2000

Really now, if pking is your way of living then play classic.

Another signature thing i think. You could make a religion around the texts of Satrek =x

[meishanli]

Originally posted by tc_topcat


I was saying even though i have asked nicely for help none of them have helped me, i can survive without the help as i am happy with what i have got, and if i depratley need some help i got some good mates in graal <3 but thats what i was meaning, its basically giving out things to a certain few is making it almost impossible for newbies in the world until they have played for almost a year...besides i know why people help Huang
Before Sagesun you were in the Di's and you might be forgetting too soon, but you had got a lot of help then before Sagesun

Why do people help Huang then? O.o
I know I was a Di, they helped me alot, especially you and Huang, how can I forget?
It's the fact how you say "Sagesun don't help" blah blah, but that's wrong Maybe you caught a Sagesun at the wrong time to ask for help, maybe they were busy? Ever thought of that? o.o
Heh, dont kill me irl when you see this lol

[foxyrain]

Originally posted by meishanli

It's the fact how you say "Sagesun don't help" blah blah, but that's wrong Maybe you caught a Sagesun at the wrong time to ask for help, maybe they were busy? Ever thought of that? o.o
Heh, dont kill me irl when you see this lol

Quite possible that was the case as many ask favors, and believe it or not, have also received favors. Too soon we forget, as they say.

Perhaps I am wrong, but wasn't it Misty I recently ea'd a mith for? I do so many, I forget who I have done for and whom I have not.

Actually, I don't really know where it was in the agreement that we had to do anything for anyone but ourselves - We had to pay for the privilege of playing the game online, but did we miss the part where, when you reach certain levels, your game becomes total and complete service to others? I think all Sagesuns may have missed that part.

Have you ever thought about the fact that if a Sagesun did help you - it was a gift? It is not our responsibility to make your game better... nor is it our duty to help you the instant you need help. But, we have and we continue to do so. If you resent the fact that we may have missed you along the way, or feel slighted in some way, we humbly apologize. Far be it from all of us to have not made your game for you...given you plat, given you items, helped you level, blessed, enchanted...we shall try to serve you better.

Zoe

[Crono]

Too lazy to read through it all. The only thing I have to say is that there should be level restrictions. As in, if you want a +5'd item you have to be level so and so. Get my point?

[foxyrain]

Totally agree....

[gravator]

I'll be quite finished having all +6 items and 6 slots on my weapon, i'm not out for anyone (if i'm attacked i'll defend myself tho by hitting you with my shoe) i'm just looking to handle any single lord without needing backup.


i feel since everyone is getting the high levels and can whup the PKers lets try to get into RPing a little more.

Use these complaints and arguments as a source for your RPing, Someone calls you an idiot, just go with it and act like your carachter was the one insulted like that.


i'll have someone teach me to RP since i'm not so into it. :o

[GryffonDurime]

*Warningshamelessplugaheadlay2k1toRPonceitreopen s/shamelessplug* Seriously, 2k2 seems to be in a state of turmoil now. Because someone's done one of the most basic things you can do on the server- level up. There shouldn't be a level limit on EAs and the like- you've got choices, either level up, or work to get some of these supreme items.

[Crint_Eastawood]

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
you've got choices, either level up, or work to get some of these supreme items.

And if both are completed, everyones screwed

[darkemporor]

Originally posted by GoZelda


By the way: Don't double post Wren ;o

Don't be silly, it's not a double post if Im responding to the comments of a different person.

Wren

[tc_topcat]

Ok im not going to quote all the people to reply to coz i mess it up lolz....

Aki, if i was to say why sagesun helped huang it would be b~tchin my main hobby in life :P also i wasnt saying the sagesuns are bad, you were saying that they help people out...i was just pointing out that they have not done anything to help me or many people i know.

Zoe anything i have had EA'd has been done by Huang you may be confusing me with the other Misty x.x

anyways this is getting waaaaay of the point i was making that there should be some level limitations to what you can get...as it was said before a lower leveler could kill someone higher if they had their stuff done....it would be like a skinny guy beating up a bodybuilder!!

btw i wont kill ya in RL akira...i'll just set Mei on you haahahaha

!!!Akira stop it!!!

[Mousefuzz]

Why should EAing be limited to +5 or even limited to doing your own? No one complained when all the power players were guys.
I didnt even read any complaints about Tec until now when it relates to Zoe. What is it about Zoe and the sagesuns that brings out all this negativity?
Aren't games like this supposed to be for entertainment and "to be all you can be".
Zoe did nothing wrong then enjoy this game , she has over 2300+ hours here and has worked hard to be where she is.
I suggest instead of complaining about things, you pompous,obnoxious,insipid, parasitical leeches of graal society
get off your buns and level instead of sitting in trade complaining about everything.

[tc_topcat]

i think most people are directing this at Zoe, including myself >.<

I this zoe has done well to get there and they main problem is not that zoe can do up good stuff it is that Stefan etc have not set any limitations on it

[Crint_Eastawood]

Originally posted by Mousefuzz
Why should EAing be limited to +5 or even limited to doing your own? No one complained when all the power players were guys.

We did, maybe you were too thick to notice. The reason it should be limited to your own is becasue its not right for a level 1 to be able to beat a level 20

Originally posted by Mousefuzz

I suggest instead of complaining about things, you pompous,obnoxious,insipid, parasitical leeches of graal society
get off your buns and level instead of sitting in trade complaining about everything.

Leveling has nothing to do with this, did you even read the other posts? Its about equality, not leveling. We arent compplaining, we are doing stuff to make this game more enjoyable.

[UNPTWOPWINNER]

Originally posted by Mousefuzz
Why should EAing be limited to +5 or even limited to doing your own? No one complained when all the power players were guys.

If I wasn't lazy, I would go pull out the threads complaining about Tec's level and how he abused bugs(don't know if he actually did).

But people got used to Tec. Just give it time. Everyone will get used to Zoe being the new high level and everyone will be happy.

Just wait.
:o

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Mousefuzz

I suggest instead of complaining about things, you pompous,obnoxious,insipid, parasitical leeches of graal society
get off your buns and level instead of sitting in trade complaining about everything.

Someone's been having some fun with dictionary.com

[skyler87]

Originally posted by UNPTWOPWINNER

But people got used to Tec. Just give it time. Everyone will get used to Zoe being the new high level and everyone will be happy.

Just wait.
:o

I never got used to Tec, he ruined the game. (for me, at least)

[skyler87]

Originally posted by UNPTWOPWINNER


If I wasn't lazy, I would go pull out the threads complaining about Tec's level and how he abused bugs(don't know if he actually did).

But people got used to Tec. Just give it time. Everyone will get used to Zoe being the new high level and everyone will be happy.

Just wait.
:o

[meishanli]

Originally posted by tc_topcat
i think most people are directing this at Zoe, including myself >.<

I this zoe has done well to get there and they main problem is not that zoe can do up good stuff it is that Stefan etc have not set any limitations on it

From your previous posts, why does it seem like you were blaming Zoe for her level and Sagesun for "not helping" you or something...
bleh

[meishanli]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Crint_Eastawood
[B]
We did, maybe you were too thick to notice. The reason it should be limited to your own is becasue its not right for a level 1 to be able to beat a level 20
Exaggeration, a level one beating a level 20? Impossbile

[zell12]

wowowow level 100. Last year chris said h would be level 50 by the end of the summer, he is only like lever 25... 15 more levels to go zoe!

[DragonX]

I need my stuff EA'd because I need protection.
Yes I used to be an evil PKer back in the day but then people got mad at me and so I stopped because I don't like having people hate me. I am lucky my stuff is +10 so people can't hit me. I only PK if people PK me though, continuously. I don't see why people care if a level 1 can PK a level 20. If that person isn't you, why do you care, it's not interrupting your gameplay.

[zell12]

Originally posted by DragonX
I need my stuff EA'd because I need protection.
Yes I used to be an evil PKer back in the day but then people got mad at me and so I stopped because I don't like having people hate me. I am lucky my stuff is +10 so people can't hit me. I only PK if people PK me though, continuously. I don't see why people care if a level 1 can PK a level 20. If that person isn't you, why do you care, it's not interrupting your gameplay.

What are you talking about?

[tc_topcat]

Originally posted by meishanli

From your previous posts, why does it seem like you were blaming Zoe for her level and Sagesun for "not helping" you or something...
bleh

read it again I was saying sagesun has not helped me..that was all

i was meaning that i think my post had came across that i was blaming zoe for further unbalancing graal....

calm and read carefull

[gravator]

Ask many folks, The only reason i got my good armor and weapons is so a lord would be easy for me, WL kills me daily, and anyone else if they feel like it. If you worried less about someone killing you and more about having fun you wouldn't need levels.



I'm saying this because i know there will always be someone to PK around and not a thing will be done about it by getting leveled up or having better weapons, You just turn into a PKer yourself after that, I know because you ALL have the PK fever!!!!!

*covers mouth and hides*

[Crint_Eastawood]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by meishanli
[B]

Originally posted by Crint_Eastawood

We did, maybe you were too thick to notice. The reason it should be limited to your own is becasue its not right for a level 1 to be able to beat a level 20
Exaggeration, a level one beating a level 20? Impossbile

A level one i couldnt touch on my level 19 account killed me =/

[DragonX]

Originally posted by zell12

What are you talking about?

I am talking about my godly AC. I don't want people to complain about me because it's not like I PK randomly anyway.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by DragonX
I need my stuff EA'd because I need protection.
Yes I used to be an evil PKer back in the day but then people got mad at me and so I stopped because I don't like having people hate me.

If only the current PKers were like you =x

I don't see why people care if a level 1 can PK a level 20. If that person isn't you, why do you care, it's not interrupting your gameplay. [/B]

They care because the people they used to "pwn" because of their weakness now have strength and are "pwning" them back, and it upsets them that they aren't unbeatable tyrants of the trade tables anymore...probably.

I personally think that the only thing that should affect whether you can beat someone else or not is your level and character build (hooray for stat potions ), not items, enchantments and weapon improvements. Shame noone else thought so

[Khallos_2k2]

Overall, I'd agree with this thread.
Yesterday I was fighting some level 14 guy in the arena (im lvl16 :/) and i couldnt even hit him (except with spells...).
Duels are crap now, they aren't fun at all if the other guy has an incerdibly high AC.
Get rid of EAs x.x

[Satrek2000]

Or, if you really want duels to be fun, ask the participants to get their ac down to a common value. You could also complain about buffing and rings the same way, namely that they make people stronger.

[meishanli]

Originally posted by tc_topcat


read it again I was saying sagesun has not helped me..that was all

i was meaning that i think my post had came across that i was blaming zoe for further unbalancing graal....

calm and read carefull

Eh? I read it again and I still don't get it. From your first post and all, you seem to be angry about Zoe and Sagesun. And now your saying its graal itself which is bad? Make up your mind!
Meh haven't been any calmer in my life

[WanDaMan]

I don't play graal kingdoms these days, but I hear you got scammed last week?.
Would you of made this thread if you didn't get scammed?

[tc_topcat]

Originally posted by meishanli


Eh? I read it again and I still don't get it. From your first post and all, you seem to be angry about Zoe and Sagesun. And now your saying its graal itself which is bad? Make up your mind!
Meh haven't been any calmer in my life

I am not the one who is angry read my first post, im saying it unbalances graal coz no limitations have been set....2nd one people had been saying that sagesun were nasty people in game and i said they havent helped me but i thought they were nice.

you are the one selectivley reading and coming up with your own ideas saying i am flaming them when i am not