Quite possibly the reason Kingdoms is ****ty.

[Splke]

As many of you know, and some do not, foxyrain (Zoe) reached level 100 as of today... Thats quite ashtonishing, but the really bad part is the idea of +11 items...

I dont think that Zoe herself should be blamed for the past +8 / +9 / +10 since she herself may or earned that (without stacked maps)...

Tecumseh before her, Shobre somewhat before him and Wren as well all contributed too the high Enchantments... It isnt as if I didnt benefit from the +7-+10 's of them, but now people can have simple gear (boots, helm, shield) and get them +10 and thats -38 or so AC...

I mean, its rediculous... now look at somebody like account D1ce2, (not targeting you alone) he has all +10 gear, and -61 AC... -61 AC... thats at least -40 WC to hit him (1/5th chance?) and figuring he has gloves, your insignificant -40 ac if nothing for his +10 markmanship gloves (or havoks)... He honestly doesnt have to even Level up, because he knows some Sagesuns who EA'd his stuff...

The rest of us however, either get constantly ignored, or slammed with 200 diamond prices for 1 peice of gear... I'm not trying to single anybody out here, since many people have contributed to the high leveling...

I just wish, that somehow EAing could be re-thought... or maybe more WC items could be released to countereffect the high AC... Having to level my Phys to level 40 without somebody handing me stacked brutals day in day out is quite hard, and quite expensive... (3k per brutal)

I dont like the idea of complainning about this, but some players are absolutely immortal, while maintainning the same lvl 28 character...

Anywhom, sorry for complainning, simply expressing my opinion on the matter, and hoping we can get some more WC items out... possibly a new set of armors? (i've been freehand drawing some helms, armors, shields and such... if i scan them up i'll show yall)

[skyler87]

I personally don't think that you should be able to enchant anything over +5 or so. Anything more is just too damn high. I have trouble breaking mostly everyones AC these days, even newbs, and I'm one of the highest phys levels on the server (AND I use havoks). I can just imagine how hard it is for people who didn't waste hundreds of hours of their life leveling to break anyones AC. Noone was meant to be able to get past level 60.

[Splke]

Originally posted by skyler87
I personally don't think that you should be able to enchant anything over +5 or so. Anything more is just too damn high. I have trouble breaking mostly everyones AC these days, even newbs, and I'm one of the highest phys levels on the server (AND I use havoks). I can just imagine how hard it is for people who didn't waste hundreds of hours of their life leveling to break anyones AC. Noone was meant to be able to get past level 60.

People were given large shoves into leveling up, brutals came out, and suddenly became stacked... But +5 is abit low, thatd mean Tseng would be able to EA for everybody xD

But, I agree and disagree. EA's shouldnt be a way to stop leveling process'... Like you said, many of us have spent hundreds of hours leveling up legitly, and others have simply been handed 100 brutals and gained 20 phys levels in one day... Unfair, yes, but did we gain from it? Yeah, we did, but so did every other fool on this server who gets +10's sets of gear...

I simply think there should be a way to counter the high AC, wether it being a fast cast rate type item (so we dont hafta break AC) or more WC + items that will be evenly evented, not just handing it to the ones who dont need it...

[Splke]

It seems my post was inervertnently (sp?) directed at Zoe... I didnt mean to direct this at her solely, but those who I feel are responsible for the unbalanced levels and high EAs....

Let me phrase this differently... When the HSoD came out, it was sought after for the extra 2 ac.... now people have shields with +2 ac, simply EA'd to +10 while others who have HSoDs may or may not have that +10... That renders the HSoD useless, for reasons other then GFX look, and slight AC boost.

Now, I directed this at, Shobre, Zoe, Wren, Tec... not only them, but those who gave them the maps (stacked i mean) to let them achieve such a high level... I did not mean to do anything but try to help solve this problem by suggesting wc items or another counter-effect... somebody obviously took this personally, and I apoligize for that...

[DragonX]

Ok.
Kingdoms is for RP.
RP.
Don't worry about the items. You don't NEED to PK to have fun.
If you don't want to be PKed, go peaceful. RP, have fun. That's what kingdoms is for. I don't see why people complain over something so small. If you just want to PK then goto classic or something. Kingdoms is for RP (I know I dont RP but I dont complain about stuff because I know I dont need to).
RP
RP
RP.

[--Chris--]

Hi, wc more than outweighs ac, I'm on the phone right now and too lazy to go into details - contact me on aim or something and I'll explain it Argo.

[skyler87]

Originally posted by DragonX
Ok.
Kingdoms is for RP.
RP.
Don't worry about the items. You don't NEED to PK to have fun.
If you don't want to be PKed, go peaceful. RP, have fun. That's what kingdoms is for. I don't see why people complain over something so small. If you just want to PK then goto classic or something. Kingdoms is for RP (I know I dont RP but I dont complain about stuff because I know I dont need to).
RP
RP
RP.

If kingdoms is meant for RP only, then why is there even a battle mode?

[GTXOO]

--remove battle mode--



make kingdom wars only way to fight others..

[DragonX]

Originally posted by skyler87

If kingdoms is meant for RP only, then why is there even a battle mode?

For those who want to gain EXP faster. No one forces you to go into battle mode. No one FORCES you to PK. Dont complain just because you cant PK somebody because thats not what kingdoms is for.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by DragonX
Ok.
Kingdoms is for RP.
RP.
Don't worry about the items. You don't NEED to PK to have fun.
If you don't want to be PKed, go peaceful. RP, have fun. That's what kingdoms is for. I don't see why people complain over something so small. If you just want to PK then goto classic or something. Kingdoms is for RP (I know I dont RP but I dont complain about stuff because I know I dont need to).
RP
RP
RP.

GK's RPing is based on kingdoms.
If kingdoms aren't RPing, people have to work hard to get RPing working. GK is a game. RPing is for fun. You shouldn't have to "work hard" as a player to have a game working. RPing should already be regulated. Yes, RPing is a thing of free will and we're all free to RP on our own. I do it all the time. But it's a pain when noone else is doing it and eventually it gets boring and sad. If you havn't noticed, anyone in any kingdom doesn't have to RP while wearing their RP tag. Anyone can deny this if they wish, but the truth is shown by merely playing for a day and you see so many people in RP kingdoms NOT RPing.

[Crint_Eastawood]

Originally posted by DragonX
Ok.
Kingdoms is for RP.
RP.
Don't worry about the items. You don't NEED to PK to have fun.
If you don't want to be PKed, go peaceful. RP, have fun. That's what kingdoms is for. I don't see why people complain over something so small. If you just want to PK then goto classic or something. Kingdoms is for RP (I know I dont RP but I dont complain about stuff because I know I dont need to).
RP
RP
RP.

This post wasnt directed at the point to pk. It was pointed at the way the system is faulty. They need to re-think the system so people who want to pk can have fun. Think about the class servers, You can pk someone even if they have more hearts than you. In kingdoms, its impossible to even hit them, let alone do more than 5 damage against there phys resist.

[DragonX]

Originally posted by Crint_Eastawood
This post wasnt directed at the point to pk. It was pointed at the way the system is faulty. They need to re-think the system so people who want to pk can have fun. Think about the class servers, You can pk someone even if they have more hearts than you. In kingdoms, its impossible to even hit them, let alone do more than 5 damage against there phys resist.

Then don't attack them! Duh!
If you see a tiger, do you run up to it and kick it? NO because it will bite your leg off. If people use their brains, they wont get in such tough situations.

[skyler87]

Originally posted by DragonX


For those who want to gain EXP faster. No one forces you to go into battle mode. No one FORCES you to PK. Dont complain just because you cant PK somebody because thats not what kingdoms is for.

It is different in this case, when something that can even be considered a "bug" is preventing us from having fun with bmode.

[DragonX]

Originally posted by skyler87

It is different in this case, when something that can even be considered a "bug" is preventing us from having fun with bmode.

....
Leveling up and using the advantages of leveling up (like gaining slots to do more damage or whatnot, being able to enchant higher) is a bug?

[skyler87]

Originally posted by DragonX


....
Leveling up and using the advantages of leveling up (like gaining slots to do more damage or whatnot, being able to enchant higher) is a bug?

Stacked brutals aren't supposed to be a part of the system, so yes, in some cases it is.

[DragonX]

Originally posted by skyler87

Stacked brutals aren't supposed to be a part of the system, so yes, in some cases it is.

Well then don't blame players. Blame staff who make those stacked brutals (whoever it is).

[skyler87]

Originally posted by DragonX


Well then don't blame players. Blame staff who make those stacked brutals (whoever it is).

The players who used them are just as much at fault, and should be banned for the retaining of information regarding illegal items.

[gravator]

True the stacked maps are illegal and how they are still being passed around is beyond me, Perhaps if whoever does have any still should do the right thing and turn them over to staff?

[Valder]

I agree with the idea that armor should only be able to be +5'd

[zell12]

You're all tards, wtf is a Brutal, and how do you stack them.

[UNPTWOPWINNER]

Or maybe make it so you can hold so many enchantments to an armor based on your level? Or some stat? Like you can hold only so many slots on a weapon based on physique level.

Just a thought. :o

[Crint_Eastawood]

It also didnt help when Zoe abused a bug with an alchemy recipe to gain 100k exp each time the recipe is made.

[busyrobot]

Just a few points:



Argo, you are about lvl 28, right?

You are only complaining, because after you PKed me at the altar and continued to later, you couldn't PK Ana (lvl 47) more than once after she came to help me, and Nayoko (lvl 53) was able keep you back completely.

The thing is, you are already able to PK who have their armor EAed out, who are much higher lvl than you.


2) Anyone zoe has ever given a price break to in EAing, has certainly not been PKers. Only people.....trying not to get PKed all the time.

Does that mess with your game Argo? EAing is DEFENSIVE in nature, after all.

3) She doesn't flood GK with high EAs. I won't go into who did.

4) Charging a good amount makes getting the rare item, more like completing an event. Good reward for hard work.


I personally think if there is an imbalance, it should be asked how a lvl 28er PKs a lvl 47er. And now because you have trouble, makes you wish the rules were different.


GK, needs a lot of changes to be completely balanced, I think changing just the EA element would actually cause more imbalance.

People are getting better WC all the time, but EAing has capped out at +11, now that zoe is not lvling anymore, and no one else is close to that lvl.

It takes a lvl 100 person to make an EA+11 item
People will compensate with better WC and hit that AC long before they reach lvl 100.

[Splke]

Originally posted by busyrobot
Just a few points:



Argo, you are about lvl 28, right?


You are only complaining, because after you PKed me at the altar and continued to later, you couldn't PK Ana (lvl 47) more than once after she came to help me, and Nayoko (lvl 53) was able keep you back completely.

Uhm, you do not have all +10 items, you told me that yourself. I had a very hard time killing Ana (more magic then phys) and Nayoko is easy as hell, she doesnt have everything +10 so its not hard for me to hit her.

The thing is, you are already able to PK who have their armor EAed out, who are much higher lvl than you.

Did I include you in my previous posts? No, I dont have trouble pking you, I have trouble pking Dice, or DX (as if i would buddy) and other people who have evertyhing +10.

2) Anyone zoe has ever given a price break to in EAing, has certainly not been PKers. Only people.....trying not to get PKed all the time.

Taharu (pkr), Shobre (pkr at times), Driken (pkr at times), Akira (pkr at times), Craigus (pkr to select few)...

Does that mess with your game Argo? EAing is DEFENSIVE in nature, after all.

Thats like saying shooting somebody with a gun was defensive... AC is part of the D&D world, which Graals fighting system is based on... WC is the offense, AC is both offensive and defensive in Graal, notice Havoks, Markmanship gloves, Serpent Gloves, all are EAable Offensive items. Your ball....

3) She doesn't flood GK with high EAs. I won't go into who did.

Fine, Tec and MarkB did the majority of the +10s, but once again, I note that my previous post included both Tec and Zoe..

4) Charging a good amount makes getting the rare item, more like completing an event. Good reward for hard work.

Indeed, but I think its quite ... hmm, whats the word im looking for... Well, its more of a bait for people to join Dustari since she says she only EA's for Dustarians ...

I personally think if there is an imbalance, it should be asked how a lvl 28er PKs a lvl 47er. And now because you have trouble, makes you wish the rules were different.

Ah, well, see, theres this thing called strategy.. I got poisoned, used my buffering gloves, buffered, healed, used my RoHMS to get 161 sp, then went out and used magic then melee...

Ah, this isnt just now bothering me... I've complained about it for along time, ever since Tec started his incredible leveling spree (ask Lance, he listened to me *****)... so no, I do not want to make the rules different, i simply want something to counter-act the high AC.

GK, needs a lot of changes to be completely balanced, I think changing just the EA element would actually cause more imbalance.

Your opinion... Look at people who spent hundreds of hours trainning their phys level (WaterLord) and now cant hit anybody because the incredibly high Enchanted armor is making other players AC too high for him to hit...

People are getting better WC all the time, but EAing has capped out at +11, now that zoe is not lvling anymore, and no one else is close to that lvl.

Yes, people get better WC by leveling up, but they also get WC from EA'd items... Also, had Tec stayed, im sure he would of been lvl 100 from brutal maps before Zoe... not like its a race, just stating a fact.

It takes a lvl 100 person to make an EA+11 item
People will compensate with better WC and hit that AC long before they reach lvl 100.

Not really... Yes it takes a lvl 100 person to +11, but it really doesnt make sense for somebody to have to train themselves to level 50 phys (halfway mark is basically all you need to break -60 AC) just too hit other players... Its quite hard to do, and as I stated before, its time consuming, and expensive without a staff member feeding you maps.

[graaliholic]

Magic breaks all AC XD (if you can get a spell off...) but anyway, he's my suggestions/ideas thing:

Make EAing equipment like prepping a weapon. You wouldn't have to prepare it, just as soon as you enchant it, it has your name on it. Stops people from giving out the high level armours to the low leveled players, but is a bit extreme.

A lesser extreme is to just put a cap on what you can handle. A level 20 player can put 3 enchant armours on a piece of equipment. If that player were to get a +4 piece of equipment, then it could just say "You're not powerful enough to use this piece of equipment." "It would consume your soul!" (overenchanted weapon style :P). This way, players of the same level have SOME chance to hit each other, and keeps that level 1 newbie from being godly.

Another (smaller) idea is to put an EA limit on the "special" pieces of equipment (the ones that are good regardless). Perhaps those could have a +5 limit, to prevent them from being excessively godly (have you ever seen a +10 mithril? it has 90% physical resist :| )

Just a thought though.

[Thak2]

The current fighting system on Kingdoms does suck, its fine for fighting monsters and stuff, and would work well in an offline game, but - when it comes to other players, fighting is unbalanced and unfun.

Fighting on classic graal rocked, because even if you just logged on to the world for the first time, you could still take on that guy with 12 hearts. Every solid hit does something as you dance around him and toss bushes. And he doesn't suddenly regenerate those hearts back either.

Sadly, if you're looking for that kind of fighting fun, you can't look towards Kingdoms. :[

Kingdoms rocks besides that though, but I still would like to have some fun and fair fighting in it.

[Deek2]

Looks like there needs to be another reset.

[Satrek2000]

I wonder what all the fuss is about - personally, I enjoy playing kingdoms, I rp and I have fun there - maybe because I don't pk? I don't feel the need to be the strongest, the best player, to "own" anyone - if EAs help me with that, help me to live as long as necessary to find refuge or make a getaway, then I can live with that.

[protagonist]

All of these are included in the reasons I don't play Kingdoms anymore. I just hope that when Graal 3D is released, a new kingdom-esque server will come out and everyone will start on an equal playing ground (and it will be balanced).

[thelostviking]

I love to play it too. I only fall into depression if i hear about stuff like cloaks.
Could i get one for mith diamondforce and forgotten frost?

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

It's too late to do anything about this stuff. =/
Yeah. Removing or putting a cap on EAs means lots, and lots, and lots of people will start complaining. Zzz, noone wants that, do we, so no caps or anything will happen.
I agree that EAs and stuff are nullifying all other aspects of the game, even levels. Like some of you said, now that lvl20s can get like +10 everything, they can beat up on lvl50s which makes no sense.
The idea of a cap on the amount of EAs per item sounds nice, and so does the similarity with prepping weapons (can't use armour more powerful than your level). A personal idea would be that you can only use an armour that -you- have enchanted. Anyone elses, you can't equip it. This means that only people who have worked that hard for their enchants get the benefits and it keeps things balanced (kinda; you don't have lvl20s beating up on lvl50s). I guess that the only solution to this particular area of imbalance would be either the reset w/ a changed system we all know will never come, or the kinds of restrictions above.

DX said like :
"Ok.
Kingdoms is for RP.
RP.
Don't worry about the items. You don't NEED to PK to have fun.
If you don't want to be PKed, go peaceful. RP, have fun. That's what kingdoms is for. I don't see why people complain over something so small. If you just want to PK then goto classic or something. Kingdoms is for RP (I know I dont RP but I dont complain about stuff because I know I dont need to).
RP
RP
RP."
I agree with this, but i've been coming to see that PKing is being rather highly promoted, and pretty much nothing is being done to promote RP on the server. Think about it, what came out for new years? Items. What was the last big thing to be created? An event island, made for events with items as the prizes, and there are no RP-specific events on that island. What was the last kingdom specific thing to be added, other than their items? The kingdoms themselves, most likely, and i dunno when the heck they got added but i know it was a long long time ago

People are crying out for things like items and better player vs player systems, but why? Like DX said, kingdoms is an RP server, not some bullring designed for constant PKing.
Nayako (i think?) said "If you want RPing, go to valikorlia". Well, i say the opposite. If you want RPing, stay on GK; If you want PKing, go to UN, classic or era. We should be pining and whining for better RP environments, not better "pwning" environments.

My final note:
Forts

[skyler87]

Originally posted by Deek2
Looks like there needs to be another reset.

emphasis :o

[tc_topcat]

I think that EAing should only be for the person...e.g if zoe ea'd her stuff to +10 only she can use it, like a preped weapon.

The high level people only EA for their friends are mucking up GK even more. It is creating a society much like our own of upper, middle and lower class....the upper class having the best armour, weapons and having massivly high EA'd items.

I think the probelm with levels is that i doubt any of the high level people can claim that they 100% done it theirself, as i have heard which staff member is making maps and i also know quite a few people who have got them.......I think that it is very pathetic that they are too lazy to achieve these levels by theirselfs and not by hard work and determination.

[GoZelda]

Okay, ima gonna show you my opinion but i just GOTTA reply to this:

Originally posted by busyrobot
and Nayoko (lvl 53) was able keep you back completely.

Well, that same Nayako got PKed by me - she attacked me after my hard day of mining, i had about 2.2 speed, and my AC sucks. Anyway, i won.

Ya see, magic will get more popular if you can't hit someone. Use magic. Then people will get magic+ resistance, but then they lose some AC and WC (take off RoW's, change gods = lower level), and they got more hit easy, and they change constantly ^_~

[foxyrain]

Originally posted by Crint_Eastawood
It also didnt help when Zoe abused a bug with an alchemy recipe to gain 100k exp each time the recipe is made.

Denori...This recipe had been used prior to my finding out about it. When I found out, I tried it. Chris, of Forest, approached me accusing of the abuse of a bug. I immediately went to RC and reported this recipe, requesting information as to whether or not it was a bug. Lance requested the recipe not be used until it could be investigated. I notified all persons online at the time that the recipe could be a bug and not to use. The recipe was not used by me until such time as Lance said it would be alright to use it at one's own risk. I used it for approximately 30k after.

The recipe was also discussed with Stefan.

Note: Most people are very low in mental because it has been very difficult to level mental to any great extent. As one might realize, any low exp. characteristic when used - provides higher experience. However, as the experience of that characteristic level rises, experience tends to lessen in amount given. Voila! The bug therefore, is not a bug. Point proven with last 30k.

Also: SpIke: My object in leveling was merely to defend myself from pker's. However, I noted also that pker's love to pk new people. It occured to me that possibly blessing people to +7 Govannon and assisting in doing some of their gear would at least give them a chance against people that are, at times, heartless.

As to enchantments... have you not had yours done? I don't know about you, but I always try to share my wealth with others... as does the entire Sagesun family. Sarid has blessed many ogma blessings for people. Ana has handed out items she got through trades. Padren has given platinum, blessings and items. Satrek has given blessings and more. Wren has given blessings, enchantments, items. Aki, always a giver and always a friend as is Driken. Me? Well I am just Zoe.

Z

[Splke]

Originally posted by foxyrain

Also: SpIke: My object in leveling was merely to defend myself from pker's. However, I noted also that pker's love to pk new people. It occured to me that possibly blessing people to +7 Govannon and assisting in doing some of their gear would at least give them a chance against people that are, at times, heartless.

As to enchantments... have you not had yours done? I don't know about you, but I always try to share my wealth with others... as does the entire Sagesun family. Sarid has blessed many ogma blessings for people. Ana has handed out items she got through trades. Padren has given platinum, blessings and items. Satrek has given blessings and more. Wren has given blessings, enchantments, items. Aki, always a giver and always a friend as is Driken. Me? Well I am just Zoe.

Ah, I see... so your efforts to level were simply to save yourself from the "pkers"... Honestly Zoe, nobody can touch you, nobody was ever able too, since all of Dustari would come after those individuals... You simply leveled for self-satisfaction or perhaps to rival Tec... Anyways, its not up to me too say what you were thinking, as I dont really know...

You gave Gov+7 thinking it would help? Please... You did that just as a kindof, celebratory thing... and so that you wouldnt be bugged (as taharus mass' suggested) about blessing anymore...

Eh.. Sagesun Family EA's, and Blesses free for Sagesun or Dustari.. You ignore everybody else, unless its Scream, or Alex (only two i know who recently got +10s from you)... Lets clear this all up now... Sarid may very well bless for people, thats nice, I have nothing against her. However, "Ana" gives items to Sagesuns, mostly you, Wren, and Padren circulate items (according to her she has Wrens hammer, Wren has hers or something like that) amongst yourselves... I havent heard too much of her just approaching somebody and giving them an item .. Padren, once again, gives things to Dustari members, yet another lure to join Dustari. Satrek blesses I know that... Wren doesnt answer many people, though she does give Enchants, free plat, some items to a select few... Akira has always been there for me, so I cant complain... Driken has given several people Enchantments, and friendship... Yes, I agree your Zoe, unless you want to clear something up... You EA Dustarians, Bless for alot of people (for price, not as of lately) and give items too fellow Sagesun... You EA for select few outside of the Dustari family... All in all, this seems like a big ass reason to join Dustari... The high EAs, and free blessings are all you have too say to bring people to Dustari, and it seems too work...

But... really, I want to adress the idea of treating EAing as prepping... The one problem I have with that, is that items are traded alot, and if you had to clean the item(s) to rid of the account name, then itd ruin the EAs (right?)... But, I really do like that idea... it would force players to EA things themselves, which means they would haveto work! I like that idea alot...

[foxyrain]

I think perhaps you are not aware of all that we have done, and I will not sit here and argue all that we have done for others outside the family. I will say how soon you have forgotten the gift of Christmas to all and the many blessings given out throughout the year by all of us.

As for doing for our kingdom, we certainly do. That is our job. Trying to recruit that way? Why? Are you interested? I really had not thought about that, but you've a good idea for recruiting promo's. JOIN DUSTARI AND GET IT ALL FREE! (Don't bother if you scam!)


Finally.... I also agree with enchanting as though prep'd.

[tc_topcat]

speaking for myself, i have asked if a sagesun member coudl help me belss something, and i even offered diamonds, i was ignored...so i left it at that. Although not attacking zoe in anyway i have had the pleasure of talking with her and found her to be nice. I havent seen the sagesun family help a lot of people i know....the only person who has helped me is akira but then she is my boyfs lil sister and i can complain at her in RL..hehehe....akira <3<3<3 when you coming to fattys wit me??? ice baby:P

[meishanli]

Originally posted by tc_topcat
RL..hehehe....akira <3<3<3 when you coming to fattys wit me??? ice baby:P

Wth? Lol.
Hey...I don't see the problem here, so what if Zoe is level 100? It's not a damn crime, she worked hard for it ;x
It's really up to her who she wants to EA people's stuff or do blessings :o Infact, she's very generous that she gave a whole load of free blessings out yesterday o.o She gives more gov+7 blessings out than I give out Leuc+4 XP
And oh yeah Misty, Sagesuns do help..they nice to talk to, help alot...and Ana helped Huang even though she doesn't really know him...
And without Sagesun, I won't be where I am now <3

[sYnergy247]

Level 100? **** I need to make friends with Zoe