Comments, Opinions and Suggestions

[narkotic]

I'll start off with the rules here.

Rule 1 of RP Related Rules.
Well, I can understand why this rule is here. What I don't understand is putting the -OOC- in the names. While you, the governor, have a short name with no reference to a ship, the rest of us must deal with a title, our first and last names (sometimes a middle name) the name of our ship, and also the kingdom tag. These names are already going past the width of the screen, and making it difficult for people to see who you are since they have to go through a long list. While activity is important, and it is fun to roleplay, there shouldn't be such strictness or a feeling of no choice in the matter. Saying that there are no exceptions, just makes me feel like you're telling me how I need to have fun. I agree with the fact that anyone under a tag should really be trying to roleplay, I don't think we need to be asenine so much about it. It just creates hostility, and it makes the environment less fun. Remember, the point of a game is to have fun, not feel burdened by rules.

Oh, and using (( )) all the time is annoying...

RP rule #2
No problem with this either. Honestly, why would anyone want to use the name Jack Sparrow or similar? There's just no fun there in acting like a character who has already been established... and would everyone please stop naming their ship 'The Black Pearl.' Thanks.

RP rule #3
I don't know what to say about this one. Common sense I suppose. If you're going to 'unstick' while in the middle of some roleplaying, that really is bad on you. I suppose that's the point in this, but then again, sitting there for 30 seconds not saying anything or moving... not sure what kind of roleplaying you'd be involved in. Probably the kind that I'd like to unstick from anyway.

RP rule #4
This is a good rule here, but when is there ever going to be a war huh? Stupid peace loving tree hugging hippies in this game. For Govannon's sake people, break your alliances, and interact with each other for once rather than pretending to be friends with these other groups. There has to be something that makes you all different that you can't stand being around each other. If not, then why do we have individual kingdoms? You all seem the same to me, besides for the names of your ranks and the arrangement of your island.

RP rule #5
to be honest, I wouldn't say that going ooc is enough. I'd say to go off tag completely, as bloodshed without good reason while under the CP colors is a dishonor, whether there is a -OOC- in their name or not.

General Rules
What's the point in reposting the code of conduct for the game?

I agree with no profanity, this is a family rated game afterall. I don't have a problem with the u, r, ur, plz pls or whatever is frowned on upon here, even in RP. Internet shorthand is used for a reason. l33t speak is of course something that doesn't belong there, but it can sometimes be funny to see at least one person who speaks such a language, to confuse everyone else.

Okay, now onto the roleplaying of the crescent pirates.

Isolation is a bad thing, I will say this first off. There is a large community of players, restricting yourself to roleplaying with a handful is a fool's path.

Pirates don't really ally with anyone. I mean honestly, they did once in the carribean, but other than that it could be considered contract work. Pirates were hostile, they took what they wanted. Therefore? Everyone is an enemy in my eyes, unless they prove their salt.

Okay, from there I will go into my little rant about the purpose of kingdoms and this game. Anyone remember what the word fun is? Oh, I do. It's something I seek whenever I wander into another game. Once the fun runs out, though, it generally becomes an unenjoyable place to be. I'm starting to see the fun sucked through a big straw, and the straw being used is roleplay. Roleplay is a tool, people. It's something to increase the enjoyment of the game. I can understand the importance of roleplay in kingdoms, but honestly, I have to frown upon the way it is enforced.

"We like to have the strictest, with no exceptions." Does that honestly sound fun? No, it doesn't. What am I here for? To play a game, or have someone control my every action and tell me what to do all the time?

"We feel these are traditional ways of roleplaying and are simply commonly accepted as well as being common-sense rules."

Ziro, you need to replace all these "we's" with "I". I don't recall you coming to all of your captains and presenting your ideas before you signed them into law. You're expressing your own interests, and not the interests of the people you represent. Your job is to serve us, not yourself, and from what I can see and what I've been told, these interests are NOT those of the people you represent, and are not helping them increase their enjoyment level of this game.

In any place that you see a We or an our in Ziro's roleplaying post, you need to replace it with an I or a my. Then you understand how it really goes, and how things are really being done in the group at the moment.

Now, as far as I can see, I must wear my tag at all times while I am in the game, and the only thing I do differently is add -OOC- when I don't feel like roleplaying. This bars me from using different names for roleplaying, and it bars me from using clans. That doesn't sound like a lot of fun. So I join a kingdom to increase my enjoyment of the game, and right off the bat I need to limit my choices?

The fact that I have to ignore other players because I must not recognize anyone who does not meet my governor's standards, just tells me that I need to roleplay less than I do now. I don't exist in any other kingdom, or in the mainland, apparently. Ziro, honestly, if you want to create a mini-rp game within the game, get a VIP account and create a server for it. Closing yourself to everyone else isn't going to help roleplaying within your kingdom. If anything, your numbers will dwindle until the only one left is you... you alone on your throne.

"This action will bring CP closer together and cause it to be more active. Everything will of course be imitated in some way. Instead of having international RPing conflict, internal RPing conflicts may arise; Captains may have rivalries and battles which the Governor must then try to fix, if possible. We will have many adventures within the pirates that we will roleplay from. We will deal with the natural threats of life, the supernatural, the inevitable, and even those from our fellow man."

This should be the course of action anyway. Why this isn't in action in the first place is beyond me. Why is everyone waiting for another kingdom to do something in order to roleplay a war or conflict? More people need to take initiative in these things. Also, there's more to roleplaying than "Let's sail to the pub on the Nighthawk island and drink lots of rum" type events. Yes, this is pretty common since I've been here.

"We will be more than happy to of course acknowledge a group as a roleplaying group. This means kingdoms as well as indepedent roleplaying groups. However, for this happen, we will need them to meet certain standards we have in order to not interrupt our own roleplaying. We don't expect many or any to come to this, but would be pleased it others would take up our ways. We will be happy to aide indepent roleplaying groups though and let them make their home upon our island."

Probably the only leader I've seen to mention this. My only problem here is, why are we trying to impose our rules and regulations on others, or force them to adopt these rules in order to even say hi to us? Honestly, the diversity in techniques and habits of these different groups is what makes it more fun. Having to bring everyone down to the rules you set for yourself ends up showing a weak roleplayer. The strength in roleplaying is being able to adapt to variety on-the-fly.

"I hope those who support us will continue to do so. And I hope noone will cause us problems with this decision."
They can't support us anyway, we're supposed to ignore their existance, since we can't roleplay with them to even know if they qualify to be recognized ic'ly.

" I do realize people in other kingdoms follow the style of RPing we require in CP, yet we cannot make exceptions for these people. We will only acknowledge a group IC as a whole."
We are BORG Pirates, resistance is futile.

Okay, now onto a summary, a lengthy one at that.

I don't like the idea of constant enforcement and little choice and variety. To be honest, this actually lessens the quality of the kingdom and its roleplaying. What I don't like as well is there was little discussion over these changes. Ziro, you imposed them using your position as the sole leader of the Crescent Pirates. You did so without the approval or discussion from your group of players. Since these things were done on your own and without the assistance of the members in your kingdom, it makes me question your ability as a leader here. I question it because I need to trust the person I follow. To know that he's acting in his own interests and not mine does not create this trust. While I encourage and enjoy an rp environment, such an environment cannot truely be found in a mix of irresponsible and poorly planned rules. Rather than presenting all these changes as a group, they are presented by you and you alone. The thread is also locked, so I have a feeling that discussion wasn't encouraged as well.

[narkotic]

Last eve I saw something I didn't like. There was a situation within the guild where I saw a 'you either think like us, or you're out.' When there was discussion brought about on it, those who spoke were told to remain silent and ignore the one who had a differing opinion. Is this a sign of the future within this kingdom? Are we all to think the same, and never allow a different opinion?

I also don't like how people can be removed on the spot. I think punishment should be decided by a group of people rather than just the one with power who is on at the time (and would probably unleash punishment out of emotion rather than reason).

I've heard comments that I am being spied on as well. In fact, I was wrongly accused of breaking these roleplaying rules by the blackguard captain. While announcements are nice about reminders in the rules, I find it a little funny that I was never spoken to directly about the situation so I could redeem myself. Instead, I stated that he was wrong, and he promptly logged off or removed his tag. I've been hearing from other sailors the same thing. Either the governor or the blackguard captain don't respond to their requests, and eventually log off or go off tag, with still no response.

I also don't like hearing that people are being demeaned or looked down upon because they don't understand something. A leader is to be patient, and should seek that all under his grace should be without ignorance, especially with something important like the rules for the kingdom. When they say they've read it and don't understand something, telling them to read it again is not an acceptable answer. Also, if you don't understand something, telling them you won't respond to it isn't acceptable either. Again, it goes back to my trust towards my leader, minus 10 points.

So what does this mean for me as a player? Well, I offer a different opinion to that of my leader. Will this mean that I will be booted? Considering the track record I've seen, more than likely. Is this a just thing to do? No. I have followed these rules to the teeth since I have been in the Crescent Pirates. I feel they are removing the fun of roleplaying now, and I feel others are not enjoying their time as well due to the fear of breaking one of these rules and being punished.

This isn't just my opinion alone, though. There are others who aren't able to speak at this moment. Hopefully they will respond to this post as well and contribute to things I've forgotten to mention.

I will be saving this entire post as a text file. Just in case this post is deleted. If it is, I'll post it under the kingdom's forum, where it can't be removed by my leaders. My voice will be heard

Norm

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Hah, congratulations, narkotic. Ziro is -spanked-

I agree with just about everything you've said here. Ziro is turning CP into some kind of...neo national socialist kingdom or something.

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by narkotic

Oh, and using (( )) all the time is annoying...

That's why you can put -OOC- in your name x.x

Besides, if you don't like it, there's always /kingdom leave.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by GoZelda

That's why you can put -OOC- in your name x.x

Besides, if you don't like it, there's always /kingdom leave.

Why the HELL should he have to change his nickname for that?
Being OOC means you aren't roleplaying, which in the case of your crummy kingdom means you aren't being a part of that kingdom at the time; ergo if they want to be OOC they should be allowed to just go offtag.

[narkotic]

Originally posted by GoZelda
Besides, if you don't like it, there's always /kingdom leave.

This is the exact thing I am talking about here. So just because someone has a different opinion, they should leave or be forced to leave? As I said, I have followed these rules without complaint, but I can see from the point of view of other members in CP. I agree with them that there are issues with these rules, and the current leadership with the kingdom. Does that mean I should leave? No, not unless my voice and those others are heard. Not unless they can be heard and not feel threatened because they think differently than a minority in the group.

Most of these rules and the ideas expressed over roleplay are actually snuffing out what roleplay existed. There's less of it going on within the kingdom that I can see, and people are becoming less comfortable about staying here. That's the exact thing that you, as a captain, should be trying to avoid or repair. Your situation as a leader is to make sure that your people are pleased with the direction that the kingdom is taking, and there are many who are not content. If you want to tell them to leave because they are not happy with being told what to do all the time, or force them to leave, that directly reflects why I even made this post.

Viva Revolution.
Norm

[Knightress]

Originally posted by GoZelda

That's why you can put -OOC- in your name x.x

Besides, if you don't like it, there's always /kingdom leave.

It seems like it's always the fastest, easiest answer...Make your Kingdoms people shut up and do as they are told and things will be oki...Well, that's pathetic...
Not only does it divide a Kingdom but it takes every aspect of fun away...
I am one of those whom the Governor has told to "Re-read the rules if you don't understand it" speaking down to me because I questioned why we would have to put -OOC- in our nicks rather than just basic RPing ((OOC)) and nothing for IC...I do read just fine Thank you and the new rules are basicly as follows:
1. Do not socialize with anyone in any other Kingdom IC
2. You must at all times wear your tag whether IC or OOC
3. Don't EVER question the Governor or be removed or threatened of it
4. Never come to the Gov with any needs, wishes or wants for HIS Kingdom
5. Don't ever expect any power because he will never deligate power in fear of an over-rule of his position

Shall I truly continue? Let's just sum it up with: Pirates are the funnest character to play in a RPG game for me yet I don't want to in fear of being removed if I don't use "Aye" in the proper form in the Governor's eyes...
I truly appreciate you posting Norm, it's much needed and hopefully won't be shut up or out due to the opinions expressed here...

[Deaths-Shadow]

As a new member to the CP Kingdom I have already been confronted with this so called neglecting to new members, the talking down on someone.

I was told my tag was ready and that I was in the Kingdom. At the time I had my name as DS, which is my normal Graal name on any other server. I put my tag on with just DS as my name first to see if it is was working, and literally not even 2 seconds later, not giving me a chance to change it, I was told "Change your damn name!!!"

This made me fell like I was told off, like I was at school or something, I'm sorry but I don't play a game to be pushed around, bullied and harassed by a "leader"

Now I do agree rules should be in place but not some so strict, I was in discussion with someone just the other day about the rules and how I thought it looked more of a prison line than a Kingdom in rules. I think they should be slackened, what if you have a good friend you've known for quite some time in which I do, your both in a different kingdom. This means you’re not aloud to IC talk with them? That’s BS. True Pirates are one of there own and don't alliance with anyone, but they still associate with people, talk to others possible befriend others so why can’t you speak to them IC?

I agree with you on all of what you have said, I think it should be really looked at.

DS
-Tae Melethron-

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Show me where I said people have to be on the kingdom tag all the time while they play Graal Kingdoms. This way, I can remove that mistake.

I do say that kingdom activity is required. You do not have to be on tag all the time while you play GK in order to be active in the kingdom UNLESS you only play for a few minutes every few days. Because then, you're hardly even being active in GK. And don't get the wrong idea from this either. It works like this, if you play GK almost all the time, and have a pirate tag you never use, you're not a member. If you only log on to the game about once a week for about a short time and don't even use the tag then, you're not a member.

If you think using (( )) is annoying or tedious, don't use it. Get off tag. If you want to do this all day now, take Gozelda's advice.

I don't complain to people about using "Aye" in the wrong way. I may sometimes see someone saying something wrong IC, while trying to RP like someone might say "Arr...ye want to come help me level up me physique, matey? I need to get to level 10." when proposing to go kill monsters. I simply tell them OOC..."((That doesn't make any sense IC. It would be something like "practice yer skills...", "train with a <weapon>")". If it's a person with a very high rank, I do get mad. I wonder how the hell someone got that rank if they don't understand roleplaying.

I will try to be kinder when addressing people who are causing or definitly having problems with roleplaying.

Edit: And about the new RPing regulations, I do hope we can change things soon, but it is rather hard to roleplay with people who have a strong possibility of responding to your IC text with "lol rping is stoopid", or "<insert RP response here>" then "hey, wut level r u?". There's a reason for the saying "All or nothing". When you're in between, you're in an irrational world and things can get crazy.

And about pirates "shedding blood" as a dishonor to the kingdom...I'd MUCH prefer if pirates would PK on tag while being IC, if at all.

And about explaining the rules; I can't explain anything if someone makes a broad statement such as "I don't understand the rules." What do you want me to do? Rewrite them just for you? Maybe if I get enough complaints (and even then,it depends on the people). Explain them all in detail just for you? Hmm...maybe if you trick me by sending them to me one at a time. In other words, be specific. If you tell me you don't understand something (and you're not being specific, but just referring to a long text) I believe to be clearly written (I even check to make sure it is...), I will tell you to read it again to understand. Maybe I will ask you to be specific, but if you're the one desiring information, you should do that yourself. I'm not the one desiring to go in detail with you about everything.
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If you don't want to roleplay, don't join a roleplaying group. Noone made you. By joining it and not roleplaying, you're causing problems to the group. It's like if you join a Christian group and you have hardcore atheistic beliefs.

[KyJe27]

The only reason I yelled at people to drop the situation is because infighting through guild pm's is only destructive, not constructive to the situation. I do hope everyone of you saw the maturity level of the member removed... As for my actions I can only explain why I may not respond or not even be able to respond to the pm. First off I have a real not so great computer that lags real bad even playing Kingdoms. This of course causes huge lag spots..... because my internet connection can be jumpy... Which ultimitaly freeze my Graal and I have to reconnect. As for all your complains about our rping.... refer to Ziro... (Why would you even join Crecent Pirates if your not going to follow the rules... then complaine about them on the fourms... seriously people.)

As for me "wrongfully" saying you broke the rules... it was true, I did see you before I went into the pub then found your nick and pmed you.

I also would like to thank you for indirectly calling myself, as well as Ziro ignorant and abusive... people always love slandering of others... Considering you do not even know me and the only time I conversed with you was to warn you about the rules. I guess that is enough to conclude I have to be stupid.

Let me refer back to the member removed yesterday, please do not have any misconceptions on the matter of his removal. He did nothing wrong untill he started shouting obcinities via guild pm. Not only is that against kingdom rules, but graal rules.

I like how you made up your mind that Ziro told nobody about his rules and vision for Crecent Pirates. Not only did he tell me, but I helped plan it and share my ideas on it. Thanks for showing your excelent mindreading skills, I promise to pay you next time.

[narkotic]

"If you refer to our rules, you see ALL players in CP must be in character on tag at ALL times UNLESS they have "-OOC-" in their name."

Your rules say when using the tag, not to always wear it. You might want to rephrase this in your roleplaying document to " ... ALL players in CP must be in character while on tag at ALL times" This statement confused some of your members.

"If you think using (( )) is annoying or tedious, don't use it. Get off tag. If you want to do this all day now, take Gozelda's advice."

I do find it annoying and tedious, but I've done it anyway. My point is I have followed all of your rules, but there is redundancy with some of these rules. (( )) applies to IC use, but then really what's the point in having -OOC- in your name? Just so you don't have to use (( and ))? Really, the -OOC- stuff just seems pointless, since everyone should jump off their tag when they are not roleplaying. But then again, those people who only play a short while would have to spend all their time roleplaying when they do get on to meet your activity requirements.

I commend you on offering suggestions to people when they are using OOC matters in their IC conversations. I think what some of these people are trying to express is the manner in which you do it. They feel threatened or like they are being scolded. My suggestion has been to re-evaluate how you address your members, and to lengthen the fuse for your anger. Count to 10, and pull that string.

I'd be more mad at myself if I put someone at a high rank and they broke the rules, than at the person. I put them in that position, of course, I should be the one to blame for doing so. They didn't receive the instruction that they deserved. I've seen a few people jump up to some pretty nice ranks lately, and I've been wondering why. I'm sure there are others wondering that as well.

When I was playing DAoC (Dark Age of Camelot) they introduced a filtering system for text for the 'lol' and other internet acronyms that people sometimes use despite commonly understood roleplaying regulations. I think the reason these people use these phrases and words is because, well one they are young, and two they just don't understand or haven't been properly introduced to roleplaying. That's where your super elite roleplaying members are supposed to come in, teaching the folks a better way of roleplaying. You used Christians as an example, well they try to spread their faith and their truth as much as possible. You're basicly wanting us to enclose ourselves and put barriers up, and keep that truth from the others. I am saying it would be best to open the doors, and freely let the truth be told and shown. They'll catch on eventually, just have to be more diligent with it.

My response to "I don't understand the rules" would be, "what particular part do you mean?" not "Go read it again." That's what I am trying to say. There are better ways to respond. If you are busy with other matters, I can understand, but please remember you have chosen to take a leadership position. You have removed that right to play the game like a normal player in order to take on the position of a leader in this game. That has a lot of responsibility, and part of that is to converse with your players, and if they don't understand, to help them do so.

I can read the same line of text that I do not understand, and I will not gain any meaning. I will only understand that I have wasted the time spent on memorizing that text instead of just asking someone for help.

" As for all your complains about our rping.... refer to Ziro... (Why would you even join Crecent Pirates if your not going to follow the rules... then complaine about them on the fourms... seriously people.)"

First off, I am not complaining about the quality of roleplaying that is in CP. It is top notch, and at times very enjoyable. I have no problems there. My problem is the isolation that is being presented, and the fact that this is going to hurt the group in the long run, rather than assist it in growing and becoming a better kingdom. Why did I join CP? Well, this whole document was written AFTER I joined. Also, when this document was posted, I was told about it after the fact. In a business situation, that is like changing the entire licensing agreement from what I originally agreed to (without adding a statement that the rules/regulations are subject to change without warning). I have commented, given my opinion, and also suggestions. Is that complaining? If it is not the same as yours, I suppose so.

Again, I will go back to the day that this event occured. I had spent the entire evening off tag while in the mines. The time span that I was in there was over 6 hours. I had logged off quite a few times in between there, and towards the end of the 6 hour period I logged back on, went on tag, and started to walk out to go back to bomboria. A minute or two after I went back on tag, you did as well and posted that message about obeying the rules. I asked if I had done something, and you said yes. I asked what, and you told me that you saw me break a rule near a pub by using 'lol' or something of that sort in a conversation. First off, I have never actually used 'lol' since I have been playing Graal. Second, I know I wasn't there, because I had just logged on in the mines not two minutes before I went on tag, then two minutes later you went on and said I broke a rule. After you logged off, I guess because you lagged, I spoke to the Governor and told him my situation. I roleplayed that entire situation to the teeth as well, and the governor mentioned something to the effect that you were probably mistaken. You were.

Yes, I have called you abusive. There's more than just you and Ziro as leaders in this kingdom. If you and ziro wrote the rules, why weren't there other captains involved? Alisa wasn't involved, I know that much. I'm not sure about the other captains, I don't trust them much either.

The boy ended up being rightfully removed, that's all I can say on that. Boorab really played his character to the teeth, well, there probably wasn't any roleplaying involved, but it was definately as a 'fool.'

"I like how you made up your mind that Ziro told nobody about his rules and vision for Crecent Pirates. Not only did he tell me, but I helped plan it and share my ideas on it. Thanks for showing your excelent mindreading skills, I promise to pay you next time."

I figured as much. There was no debate or differing opinion than that of you two. None of the other captains were involved, and none of the other players knew anything about it until it was said and done. That is my complaint. Something of this nature should have been discussed. By the very nature of drastic changes, they affect more than you and ziro. That is why more than you two should have been involved. It would have helped more members better understand these new regulations, and it would have probably made a better draft of them as well (without all the edits that are having to go in afterwards). While I know not all documents are flawless when originally drafted, most of them are a collaborative effort by those involved and not just the work of two people. If at all, this should have been a proposal to be worked on, not a mandate.

[KyJe27]

First off my last message was wrote in a deffensive manner after hearing my personal charachter being attacked in little ways like saying I would remove somebody out of emotion. I would only do that if somebody made fun of my dead grandparents. I try to be respectful to people on graal at all times. Playing graal is like driveing a car, that is in the way you precive other people. You can be driveing down the expressway and the person in front of you accidently hit the breaks but immiditaly started going again. Causeing you a sudden scare. This will make you mad inevitable because the "human" will automatically predict the person in front of you did it on purpose to scare you... this is called a "break check" Don't do it. it's mean. Anyways this ties into graal because you do not know why the person infront of you hit the break because you cannot see them or converse with them with ease. Same thing applies for computers you can see people only by what they do, not face to face where you can read them better... not to mention converse like I said easier and clearer. I'm not saying talking and seeing people in public helps / works better... this is proven wrong by all the wars that have happend in history in the world. This is just trying to point out to have patiance, extra patiance with people online. So many things could be happening to the person at that moment... Physical or Mental. But I promise on my Oath... you may not know of it's reputation yet but I promise it's higher than an average persons' to always make a evaluated decision by examineing facts with what is being presented to me.

As for the Rping I hope everybody can enjoy it as much as most of us do. please have fun and keep a cool head on things.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

And about pirates "shedding blood" as a dishonor to the kingdom...I'd MUCH prefer if pirates would PK on tag while being IC, if at all.

Another statement proving why ziro is a *****, a crappo leader, and one that makes up completely crappo rules.
For a start...you're a kingdom leader promoting on-tag PKing? You're disgraceful, k. Bye bye.

Secondly, who in the -hell- are they going to PK while on tag, eh? According to you, the other kingdoms aren't worthy to be considered IC ever at all and the only kingdom that is is CP, and don't exist, and the only one that does/deserves to exist is CP. Also, since non-kingdom members are mostly all ooc anyway (and the ones that aren't are also not up to the standards of your ever so mighty kingdom and mostly don't have access to Bmode) then who the hell is there for your people to PK? Themselves? They can't do that without leaving the kingdom, *****. Think before you type stuff, at the least. At the most, don't type O_O

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

(and even then,it depends on the people).

So, what, you don't even give a crappo about certain members of your own kingdom? You obviously aren't fit to lead if you don't even value the opinions of every one of your subjects.

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by Monkeyboy_McGee


Another statement proving why ziro is a *****, a crappo leader, and one that makes up completely crappo rules.
For a start...you're a kingdom leader promoting on-tag PKing? You're disgraceful, k. Bye bye.

He isn't promoting it :grin:

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Yes he is. If he were any kind of kingdom leader, he would say that PKing ontag should not be done at all, ever.

Read the lines. He said he'd prefer people PKing ontag rather than offtag, ergo he wants them to PK ontag (and i quote) 'If at all'.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Monkeyboy_McGee

Secondly, who in the -hell- are they going to PK while on tag, eh? According to you, the other kingdoms aren't worthy to be considered IC ever at all and the only kingdom that is is CP, and don't exist, and the only one that does/deserves to exist is CP. Also, since non-kingdom members are mostly all ooc anyway (and the ones that aren't are also not up to the standards of your ever so mighty kingdom and mostly don't have access to Bmode) then who the hell is there for your people to PK? Themselves?

Well, I suppose a member would have to solve that little puzzle to RP-PK then :]

Please don't turn our threads into flame wars now :]

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec


Well, I suppose a member would have to solve that little puzzle to RP-PK then :]

Please don't turn our threads into flame wars now :]

RPing != PKing. PKing has -nothing- to do with Roleplay, plz figure this out soon. If they want to fight each other through roleplay, that's fine, and fun, but it is nothing like PKing.

Also, awww plz. I h8 u so muhc!

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Monkeyboy_McGee


RPing != PKing. PKing has -nothing- to do with Roleplay, plz figure this out soon. If they want to fight each other through roleplay, that's fine, and fun, but it is nothing like PKing.

Also, awww plz. I h8 u so muhc!

PKing= Playerkilling
RPing= roleplaying

RP-PKing = roleplay-playerkilling: Fighting while staying IC. Is it possible for someone like an honorable Dustari knight to do to a "civilian" of Forest (Whethere nuteral or enemy) in the middle of a town for no reason at all? Probably not if they want to keep the image which they've always been able to keep up for themselves (civilized). Is it possible for a pirate (or a few pirates) to start attacking people (anyone...allies, enemies...nuteral people) in the middle of a town and stay IC? Civilized people have laws and don't go around attacking people. I'm not saying we're uncivilized, but...Pirates do what they want. They're free (somewhat). :]

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

Fighting while staying IC.

This is -roleplaying- your attacks. For example, *swings his axe at Ziro's head, crying out "DIE, *****!"*. It is NOT using your leeto prepped items to "pwn" people and pretend you're roleplaying, like TBC do :O
And i would not call it Roleplay-playerkilling. It is called Roleplay fighting.

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

Is it possible for a pirate (or a few pirates) to start attacking people (anyone...allies, enemies...nuteral people) in the middle of a town and stay IC? Civilized people have laws and don't go around attacking people. I'm not saying we're uncivilized, but...Pirates do what they want. They're free (somewhat). :]

No, it isn't possible. For a start, you ignorant dork, (And i've already stated this before) allies, enemies, and neutral people DONT EXIST TO YOUR KINGDOM DUE TO YOUR STUPID RULES.
Secondly, just walking up to someone in bomboria and killing them for no reason is -not- RPing. Nor is saying "YAARR, DIE YE SCURVY SEABASS!" before you PK them. Its like saying "I am a homophobe" and then going to an all-male nudist camp.

However, if you want to continue your idiocy and attract PKers to your kingdom then fine, go ahead, it's not my kingdom, not my fault if you make it even worse.

If only someone like Nayako became the new Governor...she tried hard to improve the reputation of her kingdom. Ziro seems to be trying hard to make CP's reputation even worse

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by Monkeyboy_McGee
No, it isn't possible. For a start, you ignorant dork, (And i've already stated this before) allies, enemies, and neutral people
DONT EXIST TO YOUR KINGDOM DUE TO YOUR STUPID RULES.

Wrong. The rules say that all other kingdoms are OOC to us, but that doesn't mean we have no allies/enemies.

If only someone like Nayako became the new Governor...she tried hard to improve the reputation of her kingdom. Ziro seems to be trying hard to make CP's reputation even worse

And l think she'll let all non-RPers in the kingdom.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by GoZelda

Wrong. The rules say that all other kingdoms are OOC to us, but that doesn't mean we have no allies/enemies.


And l think she'll let all non-RPers in the kingdom.

Yes it does, you complete dork.

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by Monkeyboy_McGee


Yes it does, you complete dork.

Quote it from the rules then.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Monkeyboy_McGee


Yes it does, you complete dork.

I would happily adress any or all of your points and counter-argue them, unfortunatly, you're simply flaming and spamming on our thread. This thread is now locked to prevent further flaming, insulting, and spamming.