I thought since Dustari is perfect...

gozen · #1 09-25-2003, 04:38 AM

I will show a great example of their roleplaying:

With roleplayers like this it's a wonder why Dustari still has official tags.

skyler87 · #2 09-25-2003, 05:12 AM

aaaahahahaha
Thats pretty funny, but you must excuse the forgetfulness of people sometimes.

Zethar · #3 09-25-2003, 05:27 AM

Hydrogen stop spamming you idiot.
It happens alot now gozen

It's too bad because kingdoms would be 10x better if everyone RPed on tag. Although I never did all the time either.....
I especially like that Giant Flaming ******* guy. He's a cool guy. *cough*

gozen · #4 09-25-2003, 05:43 AM

I just figured since Dustari are perfect, and must point out everyone else's blunders, why not Show how great they are!

busyrobot · #5 09-25-2003, 05:48 AM

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Originally posted by gozen
I just figured since Dustari are perfect, and must point out everyone else's blunders, why not Show how great they are!

Who ever said Dustari was perfect?

So what's your grudge, you wouldn't be the only one to assert our perfection then tear it down if you didn't have one.

gozen · #6 09-25-2003, 05:58 AM

You post in every other kingdom's forum complaining about them, and frankly, It is getting on my nerves.

GryffonDurime · #7 09-25-2003, 05:58 AM

Gozen, chill. Down boy, down. There's no need to go insane just because Kingdoms is no longer an RP enviornment.

busyrobot · #8 09-25-2003, 06:13 AM

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Originally posted by gozen
You post in every other kingdom's forum complaining about them, and frankly, It is getting on my nerves.

uhh

I have complained about Forest, when they readded someone but that was settled a while ago, and Gozen, I have only said nice things about Zormite and Samurai, and nice things about Valder, not anything much at all about CP in general, other than I thought they shouldn't have attacked Zormite back when they did, and I've even posted nice things about them in their forums.

You must have me confused with a delusion or halucination you had recently.

gozen · #9 09-25-2003, 06:46 AM

Uh, no, you complained about someone you dislike. Let chris add who he wants, you're not the king/leader, you shouldn't have a say in it. If you want to worry about scammers then you should probably remove tec rather than congradulate him for scamming. Hypocrite.

Lance · #10 09-25-2003, 07:10 AM

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Originally posted by gozen
Uh, no, you complained about someone you dislike. Let chris add who he wants, you're not the king/leader, you shouldn't have a say in it. If you want to worry about scammers then you should probably remove tec rather than congradulate him for scamming. Hypocrite.

Keep in mind the context, man. Keep in mind the context.

Satrek2000 · #11 09-25-2003, 09:03 AM

Did someone ever post a screenshot of someone (any kingdom) RPing? No, certainly not, as that's what you're supposed and encouraged to do. So we will never know who is roleplaying and who isn't, which kingdom is most rp-ish and so on. Maybe people rp in toguilds or pms.
Second, nobody ever said Dustari'd be perfect, all we can do is try

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By the way, do you rp?

Evil_Lord_Sparda · #12 09-25-2003, 08:03 PM

She isn't a roleplayer i don't think. And how does one person show the whole of Dustari??

GoZelda · #13 09-25-2003, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by Evil_Lord_Sparda
She isn't a roleplayer i don't think. And how does one person show the whole of Dustari??

Lol, you do it to.

GoZelda · #14 09-25-2003, 09:47 PM

Dustari shouldn't allow newbies who dun now how to RP.

Evil_Lord_Sparda · #15 09-25-2003, 09:57 PM

You were Pking a fellow Dustarian.
You deliberately went off your kingdom tag to pk him. Hows that for Rping, eh? The Forums shouldn't allow people who cant speak properly.

GoZelda · #16 09-25-2003, 10:09 PM

1:We were both off-tag.
2:If it's bad to PK off-tag, kick out Tasha and Tec. And so many other Dustarians.
3:So Chris can PK off-tag and i can't? lol. Oh yes, you are allies

(Nothing personal, Chris)

Evil_Lord_Sparda · #17 09-25-2003, 11:39 PM

I personally despise pking in any form. And i do show my dissapproval of Tasha and Tec pking too.

Satrek2000 · #18 09-25-2003, 11:48 PM

Not rping... I'd say we all do it, I, myself, did it, too, so what's the big deal. The point is, it's hard to find someone, especially in a trading house, who will give a proper rp-reply. And, to get your point across, you resort to "normal" language." Using it somewhere doesn't denies that you rp somewhere else, which kinda defies this threat's point. I try to rp, but sometimes I don't see that possible on screen, as it'd require just too often to explain what rping actually is, plus many players don't have a proper background to roleplay upon. And, as there's nobody on the whole of GK who does rp all the time, who's to throw the first bomy-shell?

busyrobot · #19 09-26-2003, 06:23 AM

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Originally posted by gozen
Uh, no, you complained about someone you dislike. Let chris add who he wants, you're not the king/leader, you shouldn't have a say in it. If you want to worry about scammers then you should probably remove tec rather than congradulate him for scamming. Hypocrite.

You have a problem with me? Fine.
There are a few people I have no respect for that do.
It doesn't bother me.

A) We are supposed to report scammers, that's what I did.
That person, Toran, was a scammer and a lot worse.

B) Regarding Tec, if you really thing that needs re-airing fine:
A Dustarian had monkey sandals, Toran's friend stole them, which toran bought (cheaply I believe) for the purpose of taunting the previous owner. He then flaunted them, LHAO, and gloated over having those items, making comments like "Oh, now you NEVER get them back, well I might return them....NOPE HAHAHA" etc.

to paraphrase.....

Then, he wanted them EAed, gave them to Tec, who took them and returned them to the original owner, no charge, end of story.

There have been no other reports of Tec scamming.

You may not like it, Cadet, but Chris did see fit to remove Toran. No one in Forest has made any actual scamming accusations against Tecumseh.

C) Dustarains do not leave Dustari to PK allies, my policy on this is if an ally member is PKing others (friends in a neutral kingdom or dustarians), you can leave temporarily to PK the aggressor, but you cannot leave just to PK someone for the hell of it.

D) Reni can RP, she was joking around like everyone else does.
I'd love to see what screen shots we'd get of Gozen when he's goofing off if someone saw fit to hound him with the Print Screen button.

Anyway, this thread isn't about RPing, it's a 'Dustari is imperfect and I hate them' thread, and the consensus from what I've read on this thread, seems to be, Gozen calm down a bit.

You are welcome to PM me in the forums or in game if you have any issues you wish to take up with me personally.

I will say again, RPing needs to be stimulated on a gk-wide basis, and I am working on ways to stimulate RPing within Dustari at this time.

Zurkiba · #20 09-27-2003, 05:50 AM

I would execute that sorry excuse of an ArchDuchess. With a blunt axe.

Dustari is now a mockery and insult to what people such as myself, gryffon, kamuii, aftershock, and many others have worked for.

Nice going

Kaimetsu · #21 09-27-2003, 06:01 AM

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Originally posted by busyrobot
I will say again, RPing needs to be stimulated on a gk-wide basis, and I am working on ways to stimulate RPing within Dustari at this time.

Here's a novel idea: Remove the people who don't RP.

busyrobot · #22 09-27-2003, 06:23 AM

A) Zurk, your blunt old axe is not needed, we prefer to encourage RPing, not strike the fear of marshal law into people's hearts that the RP SS will break their door down if they use the word 'leet' in their playerhouse.

B) Kai, same basic response, that has been done by every kingdom in the past, and none of them RP.

Here is the solution that is already in place, and is actually working, thank you.

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...threadid=48273

foxyrain · #23 09-27-2003, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Zurkiba
I would execute that sorry excuse of an ArchDuchess. With a blunt axe.

Dustari is now a mockery and insult to what people such as myself, gryffon, kamuii, aftershock, and many others have worked for.

Nice going

Henry the VIII strikes again! Rather than teach someone proper RPing, off with their heads!

I hardly think the ArchDuchess is a sorry excuse, but rather a very giving and kind attribute to Dustari. If there were more like her in this game, forums might have more positive statements and less negative regarding others.

foxyrain · #24 09-27-2003, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gozen
I will show a great example of their roleplaying:

With roleplayers like this it's a wonder why Dustari still has official tags.

Nice big Picture there!

The difference is - Dustarians will correct their errors rather than slash out.

Thankyou for pointing this out to us. We will definitely work on our RP.

Muha_builder · #25 09-27-2003, 01:27 PM

some people sicken me they really do...

Satrek2000 · #26 09-27-2003, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zurkiba
I would execute that sorry excuse of an ArchDuchess. With a blunt axe.

Dustari is now a mockery and insult to what people such as myself, gryffon, kamuii, aftershock, and many others have worked for.

If all those are like you (see first half of the quote), then I'm glad to see that you feel insulted. I wouldn't want to share a kingdom with you, seeing how you concider yourself to be better than everyone else, and to be able to judge others without being judged.

Zurkiba · #27 09-27-2003, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by busyrobot
A) Zurk, your blunt old axe is not needed, we prefer to encourage RPing, not strike the fear of marshal law into people's hearts that the RP SS will break their door down if they use the word 'leet' in their playerhouse.

It's called a title of ARCHDUCHESS.

ArchDuchess usally is right below the royality. Therefore she is a direct representation of the government and of the people. Someone who is highly regarded enough to be given the rank of ArchDuchess SHOULD be the perfect example of the RPing skills of the kingdom of Dustari.

If it was a foot soldier or mage? Yeah sure, I would give them two warnings. But someone so high up should rather be blamed on
A) Themself
B) Who ever gave them that rank

What makes me mad is how someone so unprepared would even be given that rank!

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Originally posted by Satrek2000

If all those are like you (see first half of the quote), then I'm glad to see that you feel insulted. I wouldn't want to share a kingdom with you, seeing how you concider yourself to be better than everyone else, and to be able to judge others without being judged.

Hi, you misspelt consider.

You wanna know something? I dont care if you judge me, what ever you think is wrong anyway.

Firstly let me tell you about myself.

Zurkiba Warhare, Duke and Admiral of Dustari
Born into Dustari during the Dustari-Zormite wars on 2k1.
Became Duke during the pirate raids.
Destroyed the Pirates, the Zormites, the Samurai for the glory of Dustari.
Head of one of the offical nobility families (None of your nobility is from the direct line of nobles of Dustari)
Became Admiral of Dustari on it's birth on 2k2
Owner of the northern half of Dustari (including Borea)
Created the current naval system of Dustari
Conquerer of Dustari

ok... now if you'll see above... You'll see why I have the RIGHT to complain about this. And dont be mistaken... there are many more things I could've put in there.

I've worked hard for Dustari... probably harder then you... probably harder then your king... probably harder then the king of Dustari on 2k1. I acted as a leader, a general, and an organizer.

So if Dustari on 2k2 is screwing everything up then I should be able to come in and correct you.

Evil_Lord_Sparda · #28 09-27-2003, 07:02 PM

Maybe it was wrong Zurkiba, but everyone slips up sometimes. I did recently anyway. You may have been Absolute Overlord of Astri, being totally in control, and i can also see how you are also dissapointed to see this. But we dont want Dustari to be another Astri...We dont want it to be uptight. We like it to be a nice community for friends to roleplay (?...) in. Astri is different to this era of Dustari
I know the Archduchess and she has proved to be loyal and generous, as she and her family have given their all, money and themselves, to serve Dustari. She should not be tormented and harrassed for one mistake.

Zurkiba · #29 09-27-2003, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by Evil_Lord_Sparda
Maybe it was wrong Zurkiba, but everyone slips up sometimes. I did recently anyway. You may have been Absolute Overlord of Astri, being totally in control, and i can also see how you are also dissapointed to see this. But we dont want Dustari to be another Astri...We dont want it to be uptight. We like it to be a nice community for friends to roleplay (?...) in. Astri is different to this era of Dustari
I know the Archduchess and she has proved to be loyal and generous, as she and her family have given their all, money and themselves, to serve Dustari. She should not be tormented and harrassed for one mistake.

Why did you change your post?

And as I stated.. someone so high up should be regarded as a great RPer... not a ****ty one.

And I'm disappointed because what I strived for... was to bring a better RP system to 2k2... is being ruined because of people like her and who ever gave her that rank.

Evil_Lord_Sparda · #30 09-27-2003, 07:25 PM

I changed it because i learnt what i didn't know before, having been absent from Kingdoms at that time

And also, just because she slipped up once, does U]not[/U] mean she is not a good Roleplayer.

busyrobot · #31 09-27-2003, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by Zurkiba

It's called a title of ARCHDUCHESS.

ArchDuchess usally is right below the royality. Therefore she is a direct representation of the government and of the people. Someone who is highly regarded enough to be given the rank of ArchDuchess SHOULD be the perfect example of the RPing skills of the kingdom of Dustari.

I would rather have someone who is a good honest decent person with a kind and generous nature, than the best RPers if they acted like jerks.

Rping < honor

You can teach RPing, you can't teach honor.

Quote:

Also Originally posted by Zurkiba

If it was a foot soldier or mage? Yeah sure, I would give them two warnings. But someone so high up should rather be blamed on
A) Themself
B) Who ever gave them that rank

What makes me mad is how someone so unprepared would even be given that rank!

Like I said, she is very worthy of the rank. Last I saw, you left on some barge of a boat to become a refugee in Zormite after you plotted against our King, I hardly say you have the ear of Dustari.

Quote:

Originally posted by Zurkiba

Zurkiba Warhare, Duke and Admiral of Dustari
Born into Dustari during the Dustari-Zormite wars on 2k1.
Became Duke during the pirate raids.
Destroyed the Pirates, the Zormites, the Samurai for the glory of Dustari.
Head of one of the offical nobility families (None of your nobility is from the direct line of nobles of Dustari)
Became Admiral of Dustari on it's birth on 2k2
Owner of the northern half of Dustari (including Borea)
Created the current naval system of Dustari
Conquerer of Dustari

ok... now if you'll see above... You'll see why I have the RIGHT to complain about this. And dont be mistaken... there are many more things I could've put in there.

I've worked hard for Dustari... probably harder then you... probably harder then your king... probably harder then the king of Dustari on 2k1. I acted as a leader, a general, and an organizer.

So if Dustari on 2k2 is screwing everything up then I should be able to come in and correct you.

You made a ruin of Forest, and it has taken them a very long time to rebuild their reputation after you left that isle.

However, even though I challage your claim to have 'divine right' to tell us what to do, I will say, anyone that sees a problem with dustari is free to voice it.

I feel your credentials are beside the point, and thus care more to debate the actions you recommend:

Your heavy handed techniques for dealing with RP faux pas have been tried a thousand times, and has lead to the complete state of the current barren RP environment.

Right now, I would say, we are the most active RPers in GK, do to the new rules we have just implemented.

I will stick to what works, thank you.

Zurkiba · #32 09-27-2003, 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by busyrobot

1)I would rather have someone who is a good honest decent person with a kind and generous nature, than the best RPers if they acted like jerks.

Rping < honor

You can teach RPing, you can't teach honor.

2)Like I said, she is very worthy of the rank. Last I saw, you left on some barge of a boat to become a refugee in Zormite after you plotted against our King, I hardly say you have the ear of Dustari.

3)You made a ruin of Forest, and it has taken them a very long time to rebuild their reputation after you left that isle.

I numbered your quotes.
1) Dustari is an RP Kingdom not a 'Oh well you're a goodie two shoes so I'll add you kingdom. It's people like that who ruin RPing

2) I left because I was in defense of my friends which Tseng just deleted for no reason what so ever. And there is no greater honor then giving everything up for the goodwill of a friend.

3) A ruin of Forest? You wasn't even around when I saved it. It was a peaceful state but it was too boring and noone wanted to join. Which is why I made a seperate state. Called Astri. You can't merge Astri and Forest together because they are two seperate states... two differnt ideas... and two differnt to even consider comparing. I made Forest, what it is today is from my offspring of ideas and leadership. The ways I governed and recruited is still there in Forest. And with Astri I brought Glory and Power to the empire. I conquered the world (excluding the Zormites) because of my leadership skills and my diplomatic skills. And let me guess... I was the woarst leader on 2k2... that's why the majority of Dustarians defected and joined me, along with the Samurai and Zormites.

My Forest/Astri was acually full of RPers... we had RP events frequently from the inner kingdom. And I can classify myself as a medicore (if not good) leader considering that people like you are recruiting people into high ranks who dont know anything about RPing. All of my recruits were given a crash course on RPing, something which Dustari obviously doesn't do. Dustari most likely just recruits people with high levels because they are for the good of the kingdom.

If Aftershock was here... he would've been pissed at you all for letting his kingdom go to waste like this, nice job at that.

Quote:

Originally posted by Evil_Lord_Sparda
I changed it because i learnt what i didn't know before, having been absent from Kingdoms at that time

And also, just because she slipped up once, does U]not[/U] mean she is not a good Roleplayer.

If you was given the rank of ArchDuchess then it means you are a master of RPing... or atleast that is how it should be and that is how it used to be for years. If you're a master of RPing then you dont 'slip' by going

Yo G lay dem 10 rulez on me

or what ever she said. I would understand if it was like an accidental 'lol' or something... but not something stupid and nonrpish as what she said.

busyrobot · #33 09-27-2003, 09:37 PM

1) We do RP. If you saw us around in GK you'd know.
Also, don't blame a lack of RPing on not knowing how or not enforcing RP rules, after all, lack of RPing is a GK wide problem.
I didn't say she was a goody two shoes, although she is a good person, she also is a very hard worker and is very loyal to the kingdom.

2) Then you gave up your rights within Dustari for the honor of your friend, fine, but you still gave up your rights. That's part of noble sacrifice, the sacrifice part I mean.

3) Fine, the kingdom with the little 'tree' icon. That's the one you ruined. I didn't see forest before you got to it, but I did see it after.

....

4) Let aftershock speak for himelf, a well as Gryffon, and others.

Now, have you been to GK lately?
99% of people in all kingdoms on tag don't RP - can - but don't. RPing is saying 'greetings' most of the time, and using ((oocs)) in every single other toguild.

For the record, I joke around at times on tag, If I saw Reni do that, I would have laughed, and perhaps commented on it being ooc, but not made a big deal out of it.
I also tell new people how to bless and use hotkeys at the gov altar on tag (shoot me now!) as I see no reason to confuse newbies with ooc brackets.

Now, the true point of this thread, is that some people are ticked off at the lack of RPing, and want to vent about it at someone.

So try something more constructive then.

The problem with RPing is that the rules allow 'good standards' without encouraging Rping. If you can be lazy and wrap every sentence in ((and)) you'll soon wonder why you bother with them at all.

Then RPing is something that is done when a heavy handed person is on tag, and when they leave, everyone goes straight back to no RPing.

We are actually fixing this, I think you should read the post I mentioned earlier, and if you want to comment on it, then do so by all means.

If you want to punish me for graal's lack of RPing (and I will admit I have been party to it's neglect) then don't spam threads, just PM me in the forums so I can delete it easier.

But the funny thing is you can't stop going on about one incident, like you don't even care about RPing becoming standard throughout GK again.

It's like you'd rather see a head role than the problem actually fixed. I think you should reconsider your priorities.

So, to make it short,
It takes more than knowing how to RP to get people to RP

Everyone gets a crash course in RPing who joins dustari, that is standard. Getting people to RP is more than punishing those who say something in a relaxed moment while on tag.

You have to spark interest, not fear of retribution.

Lance · #34 09-28-2003, 12:10 AM

This is a pointless debate - RPing is being enforced now (as it should have been all along, but for some reason, I guess my words were improperly heard). RPing is essential to kingdom life, and I always gave a basic RPing test to people who wanted to join Dustari. My other main goal for Dustari was to create a good, honorable kingdom, as what is a kingdom without a vision? These two can, and do, coexist.

Aside from all that, Aftershock would be understanding. Prove that wrong, Zurk. Prove that wrong.

You can't.

Zurkiba · #35 09-28-2003, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lance
This is a pointless debate - RPing is being enforced now (as it should have been all along, but for some reason, I guess my words were improperly heard). RPing is essential to kingdom life, and I always gave a basic RPing test to people who wanted to join Dustari. My other main goal for Dustari was to create a good, honorable kingdom, as what is a kingdom without a vision? These two can, and do, coexist.

Aside from all that, Aftershock would be understanding. Prove that wrong, Zurk. Prove that wrong.

You can't.

Ok... I cant prove it... nor can you.