Hola

draiden0 · #1 09-08-2003, 12:58 AM

Ummm... Hello. Please email me Stephan. My server is all up and set. I know you guys did updates to the graal engine. But the Graal classic kinda contradicts the inability to run any old graal program code. My npcs are in lala land.

Nick1988 · #2 09-08-2003, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by draiden0
Ummm... Hello. Please email me Stephan. My server is all up and set. I know you guys did updates to the graal engine. But the Graal classic kinda contradicts the inability to run any old graal program code. My npcs are in lala land.

Hi...

1) It's Stefan, not Stephan.
2) You posted about this in the Graal Main Forums.
3) You should have known that you would have to change all your scripts.

draiden0 · #3 09-08-2003, 01:05 AM

Never did get the names right. Unixmad, Stephan, Stefan, Northa, Portha, Stephane, ???, WAH! Whomever emailed me about the player world. Also like to say hello to all, being a new member I must demonstrate my newbieness!

The scripts work fine offline. I'm not sure why they don't work online.

Qwert616 · #4 09-08-2003, 01:05 AM

I don't think Stefan reads the Hello and Goodbyes section that much.

Welcome to the forums though...

Nick1988 · #5 09-08-2003, 01:17 AM

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Originally posted by Qwert616
I don't think Stefan reads the Hello and Goodbyes section that much.

Welcome to the forums though...

Yeah, he usually just reads the Main forum or Playerworlds section.

Python523 · #6 09-08-2003, 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by draiden0
The scripts work fine offline. I'm not sure why they don't work online.

Because offline isn't online, you wont be able to suceed in making a world without realizing that

Qwert616 · #7 09-08-2003, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by Nick1988

Yeah, he usually just reads the Main forum or Playerworlds section.

And the bug report forums. :X

Nick1988 · #8 09-08-2003, 02:22 AM

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Originally posted by Qwert616

And the bug report forums. :X

Oh, right, forgot about those :|

davidpsy · #9 09-08-2003, 11:43 AM

Just put //CLIENTSIDE
on the top of all your scripts and it will work.

MadWolf · #10 09-08-2003, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by davidpsy
Just put //CLIENTSIDE
on the top of all your scripts and it will work.

//#CLIENTSIDE
o.O
Anyway, that doesn't work with all scripts.

Kaimetsu · #11 09-08-2003, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by davidpsy
Just put //CLIENTSIDE
on the top of all your scripts and it will work.

Donald, that is perhaps the worst advice I have ever heard.

Shaun · #12 09-08-2003, 06:14 PM

that //#CLIENTSIDE thing really threw me off..

I was making a big levels set recently, full of scripts, and after, I found I had to put that at the top of all the scripts or they won't work.

That is dumb. What about all the old playerworlds? Maybe they won't have to use that evil evil npc server.

As well, how would one be able to test their scripts offline that require an npc server? It makes it so only people who are already high-end scripters on a server are able to test them out, but how would they become scripters in the first place if everything is npc server based now?

Kaimetsu · #13 09-08-2003, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by Shaun
that //#CLIENTSIDE thing really threw me off..

I was making a big levels set recently, full of scripts, and after, I found I had to put that at the top of all the scripts or they won't work.

No. Stop. Putting that directive at the top of every script will not solve your problems.

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That is dumb. What about all the old playerworlds? Maybe they won't have to use that evil evil npc server.

Maybe they've already converted, other than Classic. Maybe people wanting to make playerworlds should learn how to write serverside code first.

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As well, how would one be able to test their scripts offline that require an npc server?

Y'can't, but most scripters either:

A) Have access to a playerworld for testing.
B) Know the language well enough that they don't need to do much testing.

And you don't know the half of it. Wait until offline scripting is prematurely retired...

draiden0 · #14 09-08-2003, 10:53 PM

I thought you just copy paste all the playerworld stuff in. That's what I've done so far. Been messing with the npc server. I'm unsure what you are supposed to do with it.

Nick1988 · #15 09-09-2003, 03:14 AM

What the hell? //#CLIENTSIDE won't solve all your problems. It's not like every freaking script is clientside, even I know that.

Dude6252000 · #16 09-09-2003, 03:24 AM

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Originally posted by Nick1988
What the hell? //#CLIENTSIDE won't solve all your problems. It's not like every freaking script is clientside, even I know that.

This is what happens when people that don't script try to help others. x.x

Nick1988 · #17 09-09-2003, 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by Dude6252000

This is what happens when people that don't script try to help others. x.x

Yeah, people if you're not sure if your right, then don't try to help because it will usually make someone's problem even worse.

Shaun · #18 09-09-2003, 05:37 AM

Oh, my scripts were just things that weren't server stuff, just stuff such as setimgpart, etc.

Don't worry, I didn't blindly put //#CLIENTSIDE at the top of everything

I deleted whatever I didn't think that would fix =\

And yes, Classic is what I had in mind, since it is "Main Server." (G2K1 is "New Main" and Graal Kingdoms doesn't get a name like that)

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Originally posted by Kai
Y'can't, but most scripters either:

A) Have access to a playerworld for testing.
B) Know the language well enough that they don't need to do much testing.

And you don't know the half of it. Wait until offline scripting is prematurely retired...

A) When I say Scripter, I mean somebody who scripts. They don't have to have a job anywhere or being any good. They just have to try scripting in my opinion to be called a scripter. So with my definition of a scripter, only a small percentage have FTP access to a Playerworld.
B) In any part of learning, application/use is almost always essential. Somebody with 0% testing experience could have a mistake in their script, disabling them from getting a job to apply their knowledge and better learn from it. Just reading something is a poor way of learning without application.

Offline scripting taken away? I don't understand why Stefan would go through the effort to reduce his potential amount of free labour.

osrs · #19 09-09-2003, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by Shaun
A) When I say Scripter, I mean somebody who scripts. They don't have to have a job anywhere or being any good. They just have to try scripting in my opinion to be called a scripter.

You're completely wrong sir.

MadWolf · #20 09-09-2003, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by osrs

You're completely wrong sir.

It's his opinion, shutup.

osrs · #21 09-09-2003, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by MadWolf

It's his opinion, shutup.

Since that "shutup" comes from you,i don't really care.

Also you aren't a scripter and have no right to say anything about this subject.

MrCharles · #22 09-09-2003, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by osrs

Also you aren't a scripter and have no right to say anything about this subject.

why

osrs · #23 09-09-2003, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by MrCharles

why

Am i a Pixels artist?
I can make a graphic,but i'm not really a Pixels Artist.

MrCharles · #24 09-09-2003, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by osrs

Am i a Pixels artist?
I can make a graphic,but i'm not really a Pixels Artist.

his opinion pls.

Kaimetsu · #25 09-09-2003, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by Shaun
A) When I say Scripter, I mean somebody who scripts. They don't have to have a job anywhere or being any good.

Heartless as it may sound, those people don't really matter. They shouldn't be putting stuff online, because they invariably make horrible mistakes. If someone wants to learn to script then they can do so. If they don't then they shouldn't be producing scripts.

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In any part of learning, application/use is almost always essential. Somebody with 0% testing experience could have a mistake in their script, disabling them from getting a job to apply their knowledge and better learn from it. Just reading something is a poor way of learning without application.

Oh, you're talking about applying for jobs? Then they'd be pretty stupid to submit a script with serverside components when they don't have the opportunity to test it. There are plenty of impressive clientside concepts they could cook up.

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Offline scripting taken away? I don't understand why Stefan would go through the effort to reduce his potential amount of free labour.

It's a long story. I don't entirely agree with it either, but these are still early days.

zell12 · #26 09-09-2003, 11:49 PM

It's really annoying when people go, "You sir...," it's stupid. >:[

draiden0 · #27 09-09-2003, 11:50 PM

I overhauled all 600+ zones. Only took 7 hours. But the clientside thing really helped. Now about 85% of the game works. Playerssays code seems to be disabled, some bosses won't teleport player to the next location after battle, and I have to get storymode working. Other than that I'd say the game is almost completely playable.

Kaimetsu · #28 09-09-2003, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by draiden0
Playerssays code seems to be disabled

For about three years, yeah.

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some bosses won't teleport player to the next location after battle

Because setlevel2 only works serverside.

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Other than that I'd say the game is almost completely playable.

But not even slightly secure ¬_¬

osrs · #29 09-10-2003, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by MrCharles

his opinion pls.

Okay.

MrCharles · #30 09-10-2003, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by osrs

Okay.

k.

Shaun · #31 09-10-2003, 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by osrs

You're completely wrong sir.

Is one who scripts not a scripter?

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Heartless as it may sound, those people don't really matter. They shouldn't be putting stuff online, because they invariably make horrible mistakes. If someone wants to learn to script then they can do so. If they don't then they shouldn't be producing scripts.

Do you expect that all the scripters that are here now will be here forever? New players are like children, they replace the old when they go away. With the lack of available resources to learn to script, I forsee less and less people volunteering so somebody else can make a profit.

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Oh, you're talking about applying for jobs? Then they'd be pretty stupid to submit a script with serverside components when they don't have the opportunity to test it. There are plenty of impressive clientside concepts they could cook up.

Unless one has a big server, one shouldn't have a big staff, which would be needed to have people specialize. Because of this, general/all-around skills would be needed. It would be the Owner's stupidity to have a people that specialize while having a small staff. They would be pretty stupid for accepting somebody who couldn't do serverside components.

draiden0 · #32 09-10-2003, 03:19 AM

-Do you expect that all the scripters that are here now will be here forever?-

I agree. Instead of just overhauling, there is actual script code that allows you to change graal version in the engine. All the server people have to do is give the server all the versions. You just select what version you want to run off. Simple solution to a complex problem?

Kaimetsu · #33 09-10-2003, 03:42 AM

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Originally posted by Shaun
Do you expect that all the scripters that are here now will be here forever?

You're not listening. People can learn to script in this environment, I've seen it happen. If they fail to do so then it's merely because they don't possess the skill and/or the motivation.

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With the lack of available resources to learn to script, I forsee less and less people volunteering

People don't learn to script so that they can help others, they do it for their own reasons. Most just want to make some cool stuff, and the engine allows them to do that.

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Unless one has a big server, one shouldn't have a big staff, which would be needed to have people specialize.

Again, missing the point. I'm not talking about specialisation, I'm talking about recruiting a talented scripter and then teaching him to write serverside code. Giving him access to an NPC Server so he can learn to work with it. It doesn't take long if the person has any real intelligence.

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Originally posted by draiden0
I agree. Instead of just overhauling, there is actual script code that allows you to change graal version in the engine. All the server people have to do is give the server all the versions. You just select what version you want to run off. Simple solution to a complex problem?

Uninformed solution. You have no idea of the trouble such a remedy would cause. Clientside-only servers are being phased out for a reason.

MadWolf · #34 09-10-2003, 04:44 AM

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Originally posted by osrs

Since that "shutup" comes from you,i don't really care.
Also you aren't a scripter and have no right to say anything about this subject.

You make comments in the Graphics forum, do you not? Next time I see you in there I will tell you to back the hell off. But, who are you to tell me my rights? Nobody, nor are you anyone to tell him that his opinion is wrong. Just go away already.

Also, that's pretty rich coming from somone who stole scripts.

draiden0 · #35 09-10-2003, 08:36 AM

-Because setlevel2 only works serverside.-

Since not much is left to fix. Would you know what line of code will work with the servers for setlevel?

As for getting new talent... I've gone through 20, not 3 or 5. 20 employees. They want to work, seem good then stop working. There is only one thing that moves people, it's the $. I can't get anyone nearly as dedicated as me to help me with my server world. All I see are a bunch of egos, lame programming skills, and the lack of desire to exceed each other. Just more lame childish complaining who is the best.

Alittle frustrated because I just did 7 hours straight of work. My new staff seems ok. But I had to trim past a crap load of emails just to find 3 good employees. Graal needs to adjust for the fact that real talent is so rare after 3 years I'm fed up. I don't want to see more ego boosting either.

DenoriZakarum · #36 09-10-2003, 03:03 PM

hi, welcome to the graal forums

osrs · #37 09-11-2003, 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by MadWolf

You make comments in the Graphics forum, do you not? Next time I see you in there I will tell you to back the hell off. But, who are you to tell me my rights? Nobody, nor are you anyone to tell him that his opinion is wrong. Just go away already.

I post where I want

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Originally posted by MadWolf
Also, that's pretty rich coming from somone who stole scripts.

-Ignored-

MadWolf · #38 09-11-2003, 01:41 AM

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Originally posted by osrs

I post where I want

-Ignored-

If you post where you want, dont be a hypocrit and tell me I have no rights to post about scripting.

And good way to defend yourself, heh. I suppose I could be the immature one by dragging this out, but hey you started it.

osrs · #39 09-11-2003, 02:49 AM

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Originally posted by MadWolf

If you post where you want, dont be a hypocrit and tell me I have no rights to post about scripting.

And good way to defend yourself, heh. I suppose I could be the immature one by dragging this out, but hey you started it.

All i did was express my opinion saying that he was wrong.