PW Inspection team

[HoudiniMan]

A person who will remain unnamed recently tricked a server into giving him rights by using a fake PW Inspection tag.

Please know that the PW Team consists of:
Aftershock
Sparker
Kisharha
and myself
only

We don't need access to files, npcs, levels, or any RC rights at the moment. Our rights are still being decided on and that will be announced in due time, regardless the PWs won't have to distribute them.

Please be careful who you trust.
The Special and Administrative guilds list can be found here. You can check anybody against the member list of the PW Inspection "guild". There are also several old members in there, but they don't play anymore.

Caution. Spread the word.

[Kaimetsu]

It's probably worth adding that the GST consists of:

Angel
Jagen
Kaimetsu
Loriel
ProjectShifter
Tseng

We usually only arrive in duos, so if a person not listed above arrives on his/her own and starts asking for rights, whack them with the largest hammer available.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
A person who will remain unnamed recently tricked a server into giving him rights by using a fake PW Inspection tag.

Please know that the PW Team consists of:
Aftershock
Sparker
Kisharha
and myself
only

And also just for the record, ranks within the guild don't count and it's not necessary to judge members on them. All the PWA members are equal

[Kaimetsu]

Isn't it possible to remove those old members? It's kinda bad to leave them on the list like that when at least two still have access to Graal.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Isn't it possible to remove those old members? It's kinda bad to leave them on the list like that when at least two still have access to Graal.

Yes I did ask about that, but nothing was done =/

[draygin]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Isn't it possible to remove those old members? It's kinda bad to leave them on the list like that when at least two still have access to Graal.

Can't remove people from guilds until the guild CP is fixed. Unless maybe some one can go in and manuelly do it like Stefan or Unixmad.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by draygin


Can't remove people from guilds until the guild CP is fixed. Unless maybe some one can go in and manuelly do it like Stefan or Unixmad.

Yes, no reason why it cant. And I didn't know it was broke, CP works fine for me.

[Nitkizi]

..Projectshifter came on sl rc last night asking for rights..Is that the person

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Nitkizi
..Projectshifter came on sl rc last night asking for rights..Is that the person

not listed abover

Although I thoguht they decided to stick in twos anyway.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

I would try to remove them but I can't log in, if I could there is still no gaurantee I could, probably only Nemesis can

[Spark910]

Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
I would try to remove them but I can't log in, if I could there is still no gaurantee I could, probably only Nemesis can

Probably not. As in the guild it says:

Toran = Leader
Nem = Co-Leader

I think anyway, i'll check after. So Nem couldnt just take over, it would require Toran to hand over ownership. Or stefan/Unix to do that.

[zell12]

Unless all the check-boxes are filled for Co-Leader, which they probably are, yes, he could transfer the leadership and delete members, however that cannot be done until a new php person is found to finish the GuildCP.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Nitkizi
..Projectshifter came on sl rc last night asking for rights..Is that the person

Every time you see him log on alone, call him an idiot and send him away >=)

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Every time you see him log on alone, call him an idiot and send him away >=)

Ahahahahahaa! Great! That is the funniest thing I have seen on these boards in a while.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by Spark910


Probably not. As in the guild it says:

Toran = Leader
Nem = Co-Leader

I think anyway, i'll check after. So Nem couldnt just take over, it would require Toran to hand over ownership. Or stefan/Unix to do that.

Well Nemesis added you guys so it has to be possible.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Every time you see him log on alone, call him an idiot and send him away >=)

Kai thats uncalled for

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Kai thats uncalled for

Contexts, MG. PS and I are on the same team, we work together as part of both the GST and the debug team. That kind of familiarity entitles a person to a few light-hearted jabs, and I'm sure he realises that I'm not being serious.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Contexts, MG. PS and I are on the same team, we work together as part of both the GST and the debug team. That kind of familiarity entitles a person to a few light-hearted jabs, and I'm sure he realises that I'm not being serious.

Maybe so to you and he but not everyone knows what kind of relationship you have and whether it is serious or not. Many on here have spoken ill of PS, some of us have resolved any issue we had with him. Poking fun with no malicious intent is fine but it may not always be apparent to all that this is what it is.

[Nitkizi]

Okay, so PS is legit if he asks for rights, or just give him the big ole' No? Since someone said earlier PWA's don't have rc rights yet.

And Kai, I'll be happy to pass your message on

[Python523]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Kai thats uncalled for

well he's not supposed to be logging on servers alone anyway

Nitkizi: you dont HAVE to give him rights

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Maybe so to you and he but not everyone knows what kind of relationship you have and whether it is serious or not.

Well, that's fine. I'm prepared to accept that a minority of people will misconstrue my meaning, and I've learned not to let the fact bother me. Here is a tip, though, for all such people: Stay out of business that doesn't concern you.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Well, that's fine. I'm prepared to accept that a minority of people will misconstrue my meaning, and I've learned not to let the fact bother me. Here is a tip, though, for all such people: Stay out of business that doesn't concern you.

*cough* yes moongod *cough*

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Well, that's fine. I'm prepared to accept that a minority of people will misconstrue my meaning, and I've learned not to let the fact bother me. Here is a tip, though, for all such people: Stay out of business that doesn't concern you.

If you throw it in a public arena they you throw it up for public ridicule. If it is private business then don't post it in a public place. Soul try cough drops for that cough of yours.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
If you throw it in a public arena they you throw it up for public ridicule.

Ridicule? The only person made to look ridiculous here is you, by your foolish overreaction. And that's precisely the reason that you should stay out of other people's business.

And, what, now you think it's okay to ridicule things in a public arena?

[Projectshifter]

I get both Kai and MG. I know Kai harasses me about being on alone, but I usually get on when a manager asks me to get on for a few, or like today Aftershock (sky says) and Sky wanted me to get on, and then I found I wasn't needed at the moment, so I got off, came back on later and somehow forgot RC was open x-x
Like I'm about to get on and talk to Nitziki for about 2 minutes and then get off =p
We need to re-evaluate things, but I do admit that I'm not the most adamit person about following that rule, and I know I should, so apolgoies =/
Anyways, but most ppl don't realize that Kai is always harassing me LOL, but we're cool, so don't listen to him, if you see Kai get on just do a ::kick:: and then throw tomatoes or eggs and him and run =p
---Shifter

[zell12]

Why do you have to go on in dues anyway? As long as your doing your job, there shouldn't be a problem.

As for Kai, you did seem to make it a bit serious.

[Nitkizi]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
I get both Kai and MG. I know Kai harasses me about being on alone, but I usually get on when a manager asks me to get on for a few, or like today Aftershock (sky says) and Sky wanted me to get on, and then I found I wasn't needed at the moment, so I got off, came back on later and somehow forgot RC was open x-x
Like I'm about to get on and talk to Nitziki for about 2 minutes and then get off =p
We need to re-evaluate things, but I do admit that I'm not the most adamit person about following that rule, and I know I should, so apolgoies =/
Anyways, but most ppl don't realize that Kai is always harassing me LOL, but we're cool, so don't listen to him, if you see Kai get on just do a ::kick:: and then throw tomatoes or eggs and him and run =p
---Shifter

Heh, sorry about that PS, I was just being precautious. And just call me by TtTackler. I don't use Nitkizi as a nick (except for on a PS2 game).

[Torankusu]

Hey don't I lead that guild?

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_

Well Nemesis added you guys so it has to be possible.

No, I don't think he can remove me. He can't really do anything to my account in that guild. As soon as I find my password I will go give leadership to him.

[Nemesis]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Every time you see him log on alone, call him an idiot and send him away >=)

Nice way to handle the situation.

And to answer, no GST will not be a part of the PWA, nor have any rights beyond what you do. Exactly what is thought out, you are given a taste of a little bit of responsibility and power, and boom you want more..and more...it is NOT part of your job..do not attempt to make it so, because you are what you are...scripters so stick to it or quit and allow others who want to do just that...

[Nemesis]

Originally posted by Torankusu
No, I don't think he can remove me. He can't really do anything to my account in that guild. As soon as I find my password I will go give leadership to him.

Talk to me about a password change

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Angel


One question. What are you talking about. You ramble beyond words. There wasnt a issue about us asking for more power.... Also we never asked to be part of the PWA. Any rights beyoung what you do? Who do? We are given rights by managers not you. We want more? We never asked any one for more power. I mean come on Nemesis do you even look when you type? I know thinking is outta the question. And whats not part of our job?. Someone please fill me in on what hes talking about

PWA: Its in a private forum where Kai did that
Yes he does look, its just everyone else hasn't see what Kai wrote in the forums, and wont, as its private. And I can tell you what he means by whats not part of your job. The GST will not be reviewing PWs before they get put online, like Kai so wants.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Nemesis
Nice way to handle the situation.

Nice way to totally misinterpret a message.

And to answer, no GST will not be a part of the PWA

You think we want to be? Why on earth would we want to work under you? Nobody here said that we were part of the PWA, anyway.

nor have any rights beyond what you do.

We don't want rights, Nemesis. Though it may be a shock for you, not everybody is in this deal just to get power. All I have ever said is that the GST's assistance would greatly improve the playerworld evaluation process. We don't need powers for that, we don't need rights. We just need the cooperation of the PWA, however unlikely your childishness is making that seem.

you are given a taste of a little bit of responsibility and power, and boom you want more..and more...

Hah, this is unbelievable. You accuse us of power hunger? The whole reason you've opposed the GST from the start is that we take some power away from you. Suddenly you're not the big cheese anymore because there's another group that you don't control, and boom! Whining, yelling and forum hate campaigns. You tried to take ownership of us but, when that failed, you just went back to hating us again. And you accuse us of power hunger?

it is NOT part of your job..do not attempt to make it so, because you are what you are...scripters so stick to it or quit and allow others who want to do just that...

Don't be an idiot, scripts are an integral part of any playerworld. If they are to be evaluated then it would be *****ic to ignore the quality of their scripting. And oh, wow, there's a team made specifically for evaluating scripts. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that we are the best people for doing that part of the job, but your petulance stands in the way.



Spark, don't misrepresent me. It's not about wanting to review playerworlds, it's about wanting to provide the best use of our skills to GraalOnline. And applying our expertise to the reviewing of playerworlds is a part of that.

[Projectshifter]

Ouch, I'm really torn here. I agree with Kai mostly on this, but then again Nem is my friend and he's a good guy and I don't agree to his bashing here =/

ANYWAYS:
We don't WANT to be associated with the PWA. Granted we need to somehow have middle ground here, but we are seperate totally. PWA has their job at reviewing and making sure everything is good and all, that's not our job. Ours is to check scripts, make sure that they are working to their fullest potential. What good do scripts do if they lag the server up and are inefficient =/ Most of the time the scripters don't even realize they're messing up, that is what we're here for.

Why do I WANT rights? It may surprising to you, but we have a global level ONE rc, and most of the servers give us generous rights. They trust us, and they look to us when they see trouble, it's about gratitude. To me, I don't care what rights a server gives me, as long as I can work. But when a server says "You're doing a good job, here's more rights" it doesn't really matter much, but it shows that they like what we're doing and appreciate us. I really could care less if I had a global level5. I just want to script and fix scripts, as we all do.

We're not power hungy >.< We have a responsibility to the players, to Stefan, and to the playerworlds. We take it seriously and make sure that things get done.

Scripts, in my opinion, are one of the bigger parts of a playerworld. Yes yes, having nice levels and good graphics is nice, but without the scripts, you've got a pretty barren server, and most of the people that have EVER done PWA don't really know HOW to script =/ Why would it hurt to let us take a look??

Also, I'm tired of people slandering us and "We're afraid you'll steal our NPC's". Seriously, no offense, but why would we WANT your NPCs? 1, you can't use stolen NPCs. 2, what would we gain? 3, we could probably script better than majority of your NPC's anyways, so it would defeat the point. 4, we're actually pretty honest people. Stefan is very under-trusting sometimes, but he trusts us enough to let us do our job, why can't others?
---Shifter

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Nemesis


Nice way to handle the situation.

And to answer, no GST will not be a part of the PWA, nor have any rights beyond what you do. Exactly what is thought out, you are given a taste of a little bit of responsibility and power, and boom you want more..and more...it is NOT part of your job..do not attempt to make it so, because you are what you are...scripters so stick to it or quit and allow others who want to do just that...

You seem to imply that scripters/scripting are unimportant. I dislike this implication.

Our job is to check scripts for optimization/errors; however since the vast majority of us are quite active and online quite a bit, so that some of the servers decided to trust us with some additional rights to help out with certain things. For example, Era gave me the banning right so that I could ban any trainer users I witnessed. I happen to play on Era a bit more than on other servers, so this makes sense both to me and to the staff there.

However, it appears to me that you have a problem with something like that? If that is the case, please explain the problem you have with it.

[Milkdude99]

Servers must decide for themselves what rights to give. I heard a PW gave a GST member lvl 4 rights, personally I think this is irresponsible of a PW to do that. It's nice they trust this person to that extreme but that is somewhat extreme to give a non-Staff member those kinds of rights. I haven't had any problem with any GTS Member that has worked on Npulse and I really don't expect any. I give them whatever rights they need to fix an issue but this does not include rights they don't need like banning rights. If another PW does that is there ball of wax but people who have banning rights to Npulse have been with the server for some time and have been "TRAINED" on the RC and Graal rules and how to implement them (at least 30 days of training). We will not give those kinds of rights for that reason. I applaud the GST and what they are doing and I think as far as I know they are doing a good service to Graal. All a PW has to do is use common sense when giving out rights. I will add that no member of that team as of yet has asked for anything improper, in fact if they even ask for anything it is very little and only has to do with what they have to do. Tseng and Jagen are the only 2 have been on and work with us so far that I am aware of anyway. From what they have done and their conduct on our PW I have the greatest respect for their Professional conduct they have shown. My hats off to both of them!

[davidpsy]

The problem here is that the pwa is good at judging playerwolrds but not always good at being a Graal scripting judge. Now Nemesis might feel that the gst is somehow threating the pwa. What we need is for the pwa and gst to work togeather. Once a playerwolrd gos through the pwa I think it should be that the scripts are judged and fixed by the gst. Also what facts do you bace your statement that the gst is power hungery Nemesis? Just because Project shifter asked for rights on 1 server?? Also when I finsh my server Ill be happy to have Kaimetsu look over my scripts and fix them for me.

[TifaKhan]

Its very easy to misinterpret someones post, i'm not exactly sure why, but it's been done to me a lot of times, and i've been accused of saying things that i didnt mean.
People seriously need to stop and think.
Because when i read Nemesis post, to me i thought he was referring to how members of the scripting team had logged on servers (more than one) and practically demanding rights saying other playerworlds had given them to them.
A lot of bad feelings could be stopped if someone would just say, what exactly did you mean?

[SingleChance]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
Scripts, in my opinion, are one of the bigger parts of a playerworld. Yes yes, having nice levels and good graphics is nice, but without the scripts, you've got a pretty barren server, and most of the people that have EVER done PWA don't really know HOW to script =/ Why would it hurt to let us take a look??

the pwa does not need to know HOW to script in order to decide if the scripts are fun and interesting.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by SingleChance
the pwa does not need to know HOW to script in order to decide if the scripts are fun and interesting.

How fun and interesting the scripts are is not the only consideration. Other issues are: Resource consumption, bandwidth use, security etc. These are important factors that should not be ignored.