Free Hammer

KincersKlan · #1 05-07-2003, 10:05 PM

Acct geovanie legend is now running around with a Warhammer of Socery and a Shield of Sorcery!!! when i asked how he got it, he said Stefan had given him it! Wtf is this??? Stefan giving free Powerful weapons for free?? where is mine? that is ****!

--Chris-- · #2 05-07-2003, 10:23 PM

Darklux and Lady Auron got free items also. Personally I think that's BS...maybe one item I wouldn't have mind but they get like 3 each and it's super Godly weapons too. What pisses me of even more though is to see Darklux selling it for real money afterwards and the fact that Stefan would GIVE them the items FREE before he would RE-ADD my GLITCHED items.

FireFly20 · #3 05-07-2003, 10:54 PM

There are alot of peopke that woudl derve free items i think, personally i would like one but honestly i do not think really i deserve one. That is just being plain honest.

Prince Zalinto Zelin Khan

Jeff · #4 05-07-2003, 11:02 PM

It's Stefan's game, he can do as he pleases as long as he doesn't violate French law or the user agreement. Neither has been violated, to my knowledge.

Qwert616 · #5 05-07-2003, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by Jeff
It's Stefan's game, he can do as he pleases as long as he doesn't violate French law or the user agreement. Neither has been violated, to my knowledge.

Obviously, but its a matter of keeping the game fair to all of the players.

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Originally posted by FireFly20
There are alot of peopke that woudl derve free items i think, personally i would like one but honestly i do not think really i deserve one. That is just being plain honest.
Prince Zalinto Zelin Khan

You know, there is this thing called a signature that puts that at the end of your posts automatically.

zell12 · #6 05-07-2003, 11:10 PM

I totally think this is bull. Just out of curosity, I asked stefan for A Inferno, since I worked there at the time, and he told me that it was too powerful and that he wouldn't give anything out. Now he is giving people free items they can make a ton of money from. I think it is unfair and is also ruining the game.

-Infinite- · #7 05-07-2003, 11:14 PM

I hope stefan doesnt give out free items or puts everyone else at a disadvantage once the game is gold... :o

Qwert616 · #8 05-07-2003, 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by -Infinite-
I hope stefan doesnt give out free items or puts everyone else at a disadvantage once the game is gold... :o

Well, we are still not exactly sure that what Kincer has posted was true.

MKSLAYER · #9 05-07-2003, 11:39 PM

i've only been on DeBug since i think December but i've done some very useful things but huru has been doing a lot of things so i can see why and she role plays alot and isnt a power gamer so thats ok but dark on the other hand XP

-Infinite- · #10 05-07-2003, 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by Qwert616

Well, we are still not exactly sure that what Kincer has posted was true.

Completely true.. I seen him holding the Hammer and Shield earlier.

Locke_boy · #11 05-07-2003, 11:58 PM

*grumble* everyone else who has event items had to work hard to get them.. either by winning an event or paying big money to buy one.

.. but they get it for free. Think of how that makes the other people feel. Not so great, eh?

MasterNuke · #12 05-08-2003, 12:02 AM

Total bull!@#$... I hauled by ass off for a Shield of Sorcery... and some person gets one for whining... this makes me sick....

Qwert616 · #13 05-08-2003, 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by -Infinite-

Completely true.. I seen him holding the Hammer and Shield earlier.

Alright, I wasn't really doubting you about what you saw. Although we aren't sure if what Geovanie said was true.

I just think it is a bit early to get angry at Stefan, at this point. I do agree that the items shouldn't have been just handed to him, but we don't know the whole storry, I suppose.

DragonX · #14 05-08-2003, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by -Infinite-

Completely true.. I seen him holding the Hammer and Shield earlier.

Yup I walked by him and saw him holding a hammer and shield and I remember that like a week ago he told me 'Oh I have my ways of getting things'. I think basically he sucked up to Stefan and got free items which is bull****

MasterNuke · #15 05-08-2003, 12:30 AM

It's just plain unfair... no matter what the friggin reason... he should NEVER get event items... it totally defeats the purpose of these items...

graaliholic · #16 05-08-2003, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by MasterNuke
It's just plain unfair... no matter what the friggin reason... he should NEVER get event items... it totally defeats the purpose of these items...

Those items should be accessable to all, by doing quests or such. so that the people who get the items by winning events, anyone who lost could just do a difficult quest and get it for themself (and I don't mean easy-difficult like those lords, i mean something that a level 50+ character would have trouble with.)

Androk · #17 05-08-2003, 01:52 AM

ALWAYS UNHAPPY! At least once I would like to see you people say: Congratulations. But NOOOO, you just have this thing up your behind that forces you to *****.

For god's sake, You know that Stefan won't give out items "Just for the heck of it". Those people might be involved in some project, they might help out, they might be very stable paying customers, they migh be oldbies from back when, WHATEVER. If they got the item, there was a reason for them to get it.

How many times have you helped the comunity? What have you done for the better of the Graal? Fools! Nothing but a bunch of fools!

Now if you'll excuse me I have to take a shower.

[edit]Well what do you know... word "ass" is not censored.[/edit]

Dude6252000 · #18 05-08-2003, 01:52 AM

Staff should get special items, but just not be allowed to sell/trade them unless allowed. And the items should be different than event items. Hence the name.

Tim26 · #19 05-08-2003, 02:31 AM

Im sick of getting killed in spars simply because of event items
i would understand if they were earned, but free is redicoulous.

DragonX · #20 05-08-2003, 02:35 AM

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Originally posted by Androk
How many times have you helped the comunity? What have you done for the better of the Graal? Fools! Nothing but a bunch of fools!

I helped a ton of people when I was staff on GK and did I get stuff? No, I earned all my stuff through hard work. I don't see what's different with Geovanie

Unless he sucked up to Stefan like lots of people with Debug do and I witnessed it myself when I had debug. I changed though, I never sucked up to Stefan for anything and so it's pretty pathetic that other people do. They will do anything for power

Kaimetsu · #21 05-08-2003, 02:48 AM

It is entirely true that Geo gets free items. How? Probably by bugging Stefan and abusing his generosity. We've argued over this in debug too, but you'll need a lot of luck if you want to get any logical reasoning through his skull...

(Oh, and a reward for work? Hah! I have seen him do nothing on debug other than inconveniencing others -_-)

Soul-Blade · #22 05-08-2003, 03:39 AM

Yes, GL did indeed get items from Stefan. The funny thing is, he does nothing for GK besides give idiotic comments. The only reasons he seems to be on debug is to get direct communication to Stefan...

When I asked him why he got the items he claimed he has done much for Graal in the past and currently...what exactly? Who knows. The rewards for PW is getting a well known name, respect, and the glory which comes with creating a great world. The reward to debug is direct communication to Stefan, and other developer wants....but to get free items? That is a violation to plain respect for the players. I don't care about people using in game functions to get items (scamming, PKing, whatever) but using a outside source like GL has, Darklux, and few others...that is not fair. Many on debug has done MUCH more work, yet ask for no items. Heck, I do much more then him and I am AGAINST staff taking advantage of Stefan's kindness.

Just don't take me wrong. Do NOT blame Stefan. He is just a little to generous to people some times...but this time he needs to consider the players needs rather then "co workers".

I realize this is not fair for any players, and I am trying/have tryed/will try to get Stefan to realize the fault in his current way. Hopefully such godly items will be removed/never given away again, and hopefully new ways to implement such items, other then giving them away.

Projectshifter · #23 05-08-2003, 06:29 AM

... x-x
You wouldn't be saying it if it was YOU who had gotten free items. But then if you worked for Stefan and had skills like Auron then you would be. I've made a few things for 2k2, and I do global work. I probably would be on the "deserve it" list but I wouldn't take it anyways.
---Shifter

Redwizard · #24 05-08-2003, 09:07 AM

yeah, so dont jump to conclusions that all staff are corrupt, most of us work and do not ask. But there are a few corrupt people who do tend to ask and ask and ask and.. Even the newer staff members ask for them, And Darklux, i dont know whats up with that, cos many older staff did not get any items

Kaimetsu · #25 05-08-2003, 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by Projectshifter
You wouldn't be saying it if it was YOU who had gotten free items.

Many of us would not accept those free items.

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But then if you worked for Stefan and had skills like Auron then you would be.

I work on debug RC, I have skills like Auron (though in a different field). Same applies to Soul Blade, yet neither of us have yet taken advantage of Stefan's generosity by bugging him for free items.

Shiftk03- · #26 05-08-2003, 11:57 AM

I especially like pushing Geovanie "Over-bloated Ego" Legend, behind bookshelves because he fires off strings of cusswords. Its such a funny sight when one angers on a game.

adam · #27 05-08-2003, 04:46 PM

Free items from stefan, hmm... Geo showed me the hammer and shield, but he never mentioned how he got them.
I'd much rather somebody who actually worked to get thier stuff show me how to get them though.

Soul-Blade · #28 05-08-2003, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by Projectshifter
... x-x
You wouldn't be saying it if it was YOU who had gotten free items. But then if you worked for Stefan and had skills like Auron then you would be. I've made a few things for 2k2, and I do global work. I probably would be on the "deserve it" list but I wouldn't take it anyways.
---Shifter

Oh please, I do a great deal of work, but I'd rather not compare myself to Auron because it will only sound arrogant. If I wanted I could get any item I want in seconds, but the thing is, I have respect for the players...

Anyone else who works on debug knows how I feel about people getting free items, and it isn't pretty.

Satrek2000 · #29 05-08-2003, 07:14 PM

I know I havn't done that much for the community or GK (except from keeping myself from doing harm) - but I agree that accepting special items for your work isn't a really fair approach. I wouldn't, though you'd have to take my word for that. Anyway, it endangers the balance, and people who are powerfull outside the game become powerful inside it, too. If they'd get plats for it I wouldn't even mind, for that they wouldn't be able to get stuff other players can't even when they work hard enough. I'm not saying you "debug-people" aren't doing a great job

Just that the reward shouldn't ruin the game, as, the way I take it, most of you agree... uhm.. *backs off*

zell12 · #30 05-08-2003, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by Soul-Blade
...If I wanted I could get any item I want in seconds...

Guess what that made you seem like? Arrogant. Don't be a ***** and make outrageous claims like that.

Androk · #31 05-08-2003, 11:08 PM

Perhaps I spoke too quickly. I didn't know that Geo did nothing. Then I guess it makes sense to complain.

Tim26 · #32 05-08-2003, 11:53 PM

Free items are pathetic, period.

Soul-Blade · #33 05-09-2003, 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by zell12

Guess what that made you seem like? Arrogant. Don't be a ***** and make outrageous claims like that.

Actually, it didn't. If one had intelligence, one would realize the backs the point of "I would not ask for items". Surely, because I do work, I am more of a use to debug then GL, and GL got the items easily. Because I do work, I could get them even easier, but I do not. Do you understand?

DenoriZakarum · #34 05-09-2003, 01:39 AM

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Originally posted by Soul-Blade

Actually, it didn't. If one had intelligence, one would realize the backs the point of "I would not ask for items". Surely, because I do work, I am more of a use to debug then GL, and GL got the items easily. Because I do work, I could get them even easier, but I do not. Do you understand?

you ARE arrogant another thing you do is threaten to ban if someone kills you while you are in battlemode, you threated me like 8 times till u gave up on threatening because i kep on killin ya

zell12 · #35 05-09-2003, 02:14 AM

Don't mind him, he just likes to pretend he has authority on GraalKingdoms because he is jelous Stefan favors other staff more than him.

Kaimetsu · #36 05-09-2003, 03:00 AM

Guys, don't take this off-topic. SB could get free items if he bugged Stefan as much as the others do (heck, most of us on debug could).

Soul-Blade · #37 05-09-2003, 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by DenoriZakarum

you ARE arrogant another thing you do is threaten to ban if someone kills you while you are in battlemode, you threated me like 8 times till u gave up on threatening because i kep on killin ya

? That is not true. I never mention I have any kind of access to debug on GK. Please don't make false claims like that.

Satrek2000 · #38 05-09-2003, 08:25 AM

Saying you'd say no when offered a free item sounds like something everyone says till it happens.
Saying you'd get any item you want is arrogant.
But saying you'd say no despite the fact that you could get everything is, in my opinion, a respectable point of view and neither arrogant nor *****-ish.

Kaimetsu · #39 05-09-2003, 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by Satrek2000
Saying you'd say no when offered a free item sounds like something everyone says till it happens.

Perhaps so, but some of those people are telling the truth.

Satrek2000 · #40 05-09-2003, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Perhaps so, but some of those people are telling the truth.

I know, it just sounds like that for the average player - specially as most have no chance to get any rare item for free, so the question is pointless for them.