Re-Make a Requirement?

[Boozy_Bravo]

I'm posting this on behalf of the majority of the players among the recently reinstated, Bravo Online.
It seems that the Playerworld Administration is requiring us to update our levels greatly, so much that it is to the point that it will not keep the "Bravo feeling" we Bravoians have come to know.
I have just one simple question, why? I mean, true, it is far from today's standards, and may be made fun of by a few players, but it is already among the most populated and loved playerworlds. To keep it intact means more players, more upgrades, and more money for Cyberjoueurs. It's not as if we won't update the level errors, content, and some of the quality of the old world. Anyone that plays Bravo knows that most of the updates are acceptable by today's standards. If we are to change so much, the result is sure to be less players, less upgrades, and less money for Cyberjoueurs.
For the remainder of the playerworld's lifespan, it will be updated, with things that will meet (and perhaps, exceed) today's standards. We are working frantically to fix the remaining bugs, and will soon be moving on with our plans for the future. But, on behalf of the entire Bravo Community, am begging and pleading with the Playerworld Administration to revoke our requirement to so greatly change our levels. Once again, we do plan on updating them, but want to keep the "Bravo feel" intact.
Please, for the sake of Bravo Online, reconsider your decision.

[KPGeo86]

ya!

-Dabura

[Legondary_MyTH]

Andor was far better

[Boozy_Bravo]

Bravo w/o bravo feel = no bravo aka andor and andor sucked

~ThndrShk2k



P.S. and me of the only ones whom can make completely new lvls WITH bravo feel boozy! GWHAHAH and maybe some others, but thats it, not everyone can!

[Legondary_MyTH]

you suck

[Boozy_Bravo]

Originally posted by Legondary_MyTH
Andor was far better

better than what my bowles reject out of my body: yes
better than bravo: NEVER

~ThndrShk2k

Originally posted by Legondary_MyTH
you suck

*******, n00b, and idiot you shall be forthe now!
PS. dun turn into flame

[anUk]

Bravo maintaines 50+ players at almost all times, at 2 in the morning it has 30+
Tell me......their are player that have these Oh so amazing levels and they have 0-2 player all the fricken time
Leave Bravo be, when it gets to the point where we get 10- player then start talking, right now shut your mouth, we are doing fine and we are adding things as we go, Andor had good levels but no one liked it, i think in the file max player it was like 40 or something, look at us now, the players like the levels so let us be
we can handle the updates w/o you people talking this crap = /
if our levels are so bad then why do the players like em, go pick on some of the pws that use these frigged up tiles for the wrong reason, those are the ones that look like CRAP we are adding updates as we go.

-anU (Bravo_GM)

[Boozy_Bravo]

Originally posted by anUk
Bravo maintaines 50+ players at almost all times, at 2 in the morning it has 30+
Tell me......their are player that have these Oh so amazing levels and they have 0-2 player all the fricken time
Leave Bravo be, when it gets to the point where we get 10- player then start talking, right now shut your mouth, we are doing fine and we are adding things as we go, Andor had good levels but no one liked it, i think in the file max player it was like 40 or something, look at us now, the players like the levels so let us be
we can handle the updates w/o you people talking this crap = /
if our levels are so bad then why do the players like em, go pick on some of the pws that use these frigged up tiles for the wrong reason, those are the ones that look like CRAP we are adding updates as we go.

-anU (Bravo_GM)

agreed

~ThndrShk2k

[Evil-Magus]

Lloyd:
And besides, along with Xone, Bravo will soon be the best server!
>=-)

[Torankusu]

50% of the server. I see no reason to change that because some people think it will "be the best."

The release was too early, and that's you guys' faults. Not ours.

[Boozy_Bravo]

Originally posted by Torankusu
50% of the server. I see no reason to change that because some people think it will "be the best."

The release was too early, and that's you guys' faults. Not ours.

All we are requesting is that we be excused from having to so greatly change our levels, not leave them as bad as they are. We are updating them, but we want to keep the feel intact.
Oh, and it was one man's decision to release it early, not the owners. Mystical Dragon happened to log on at the same time as Stefan, and requested the playerworld be changed back to Bravo. Brandon didn't even authorize it. Besides, most bugs have been fixed, except now the NPC Server is down.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Boozy_Bravo
All we are requesting is that we be excused from having to so greatly change our levels, not leave them as bad as they are. We are updating them, but we want to keep the feel intact.
Oh, and it was one man's decision to release it early, not the owners. Mystical Dragon happened to log on at the same time as Stefan, and requested the playerworld be changed back to Bravo. Brandon didn't even authorize it. Besides, most bugs have been fixed, except now the NPC Server is down.

I talked to Jinx before it WAS changed. I said "let them." And of course, the "remake rule" does apply. I don't see much of a need to change it, because then we'll have to make "exceptions" to every playerworld, and people will be spawning old ones like crazy.

Sorry.

I'll talk to Jinx and Nemesis about it later. I don't see much of a reason to exclude you and everybody else.

[Boozy_Bravo]

Originally posted by Torankusu
I talked to Jinx before it WAS changed. I said "let them." And of course, the "remake rule" does apply. I don't see much of a need to change it, because then we'll have to make "exceptions" to every playerworld, and people will be spawning old ones like crazy.

Sorry.

I'll talk to Jinx and Nemesis about it later. I don't see much of a reason to exclude you and everybody else.

Reason is:
1. more money for graal
2. more players
3. old old levels

~ThndrShk2k
*dun mind if em arragant, ****y, or egotistical*

[Torankusu]

yeah, and let's lose graal more money by assisting people in spawning 30982924 remakes and wanting them put up "because bravo got to do it!@!@!"

[Waltz5]

Ya, Toran is right... I mean, we'd be seeing Graal 3000 again! EEK!

[Faheria_LAT3]

mmmmkay: Hrmm, I don't really see what's all bad about bravo. Considering that about half of their levels are above par, and more are being worked on. Toran + PWA go on and let them show you around to the nice levels.

[anUk]

all of you, just be quiet, no one cares bravo is doing fine, post back in a bout a month or so, you will change your tide of attitude...we on bravo are doing all we can to bring back the real bravo, as in the one that had 90+ people a day, the expectancy of levels has changed sure but does that necessary mean everyone likes this new way of tiling (with paths all over the place)? Personally i think that putting the path maker thing in level editor reduces the quality of graal levels because the lats become lazy = / that is why i make flat paths now ^_^
umm n e ways do me a fav and lay off bravo, go pick on a serv that has 0 player all the time
just the other day someone was braggin because they had a job on a server called "Doragon Koden", (rofl), my reply to him was "wtf is dragon koden, is that even on the staff list?"
i looked and sure enough it was but.....why are they still on the server list?
i excuse Faheria because Fal has something in that server, when it is complete i think it will be a hot server


-anU (Bravo_GM)

[LordZen]

Well I spent some time on Bravo today, moreso than in the past. I can honestly say that the levels dont look nearly as good as levels on many other servers are. One thing I especially dislike, is how plain the inside levels can be...I see alot of plain tiling in Classic too. I guess this is because they are both in the old style? I'm not trying to piss anybody off, but I do think that making the levels look better cant 'hurt' the population...

[WHIPENIE4]

Originally posted by Torankusu
I talked to Jinx before it WAS changed. I said "let them." And of course, the "remake rule" does apply. I don't see much of a need to change it, because then we'll have to make "exceptions" to every playerworld, and people will be spawning old ones like crazy.

Sorry.

I'll talk to Jinx and Nemesis about it later. I don't see much of a reason to exclude you and everybody else.

(X-Mann)
Good Idea!

[WHIPENIE4]

(X-Mann)
Maloria had over 50 players the first 2 weeks, after that they kept droping, to 30, to 18, to 9, on a good time they reach 18 at the most. And the levels really need an upgrade.
And Right Now, This is very funny, the person who said they always have 50+ Players, you lied dude. theres only 6 online, classic has 70, UN has 60. well accually, this was about 30 minutes ago when i checked, but i'll go on and look again lol. it probably is the same.


YEP. it is

[Masah]

Originally posted by LordZen
Well I spent some time on Bravo today, moreso than in the past. I can honestly say that the levels dont look nearly as good as levels on many other servers are. One thing I especially dislike, is how plain the inside levels can be...I see alot of plain tiling in Classic too. I guess this is because they are both in the old style? I'm not trying to piss anybody off, but I do think that making the levels look better cant 'hurt' the population...

Before you say anything about any other server, think back to you managing Babylon, that should say everything.

-Brett

[SavantMiles]

well i never played bravo, but i think brandon should have waited until nemisis did that whole review of the current playerworlds thing to turn andor back into bravo, atleast that way maybe you guys wouldent be pushed so hard into basically changing your levels. but then you also have to remember that most bravo people left like most graal people did when graal whent p2p. but if you guys can make bravo great without totally changing your levels, then just do that.

[Jinx]

We do not base our decisions completley on playercount. Some PWs get 0-2 players every day because they are working on a whole new project behind closed doors. If you want to flame DK for only getting 0-2 players a day, go find out the whole story first.

Bravo is a playerworld on graal. There are rules made for playerworlds on graal. There are standards that have to be met. Those standards were a lot lower when bravo was originally up. Since then, the standard for playerworlds has gone up. The PWA cannot make exceptions, otherwise what's the point in even having LATs or NATs?

Bravo's Levels, NPCS(Last I checked), and quests are below par. I'd bet you anything that if Maloria or Doomsday or put up levels that were below par, half of you bravoians would be flamming them a good amount.

If we let one server have horible levels and NPCs, what's to stop us from letting another server do it? And Another? Soon all of graal has crappy levels, do you think that CRAPPY LEVELS means more money for Cyberjourers? I honestly don't think so.

-Jinx

[Masah]

Originally posted by Jinx
We do not base our decisions completley on playercount. Some PWs get 0-2 players every day because they are working on a whole new project behind closed doors. If you want to flame DK for only getting 0-2 players a day, go find out the whole story first.

Bravo is a playerworld on graal. There are rules made for playerworlds on graal. There are standards that have to be met. Those standards were a lot lower when bravo was originally up. Since then, the standard for playerworlds has gone up. The PWA cannot make exceptions, otherwise what's the point in even having LATs or NATs?

Bravo's Levels, NPCS(Last I checked), and quests are below par. I'd bet you anything that if Maloria or Doomsday or put up levels that were below par, half of you bravoians would be flamming them a good amount.

If we let one server have horible levels and NPCs, what's to stop us from letting another server do it? And Another? Soon all of graal has crappy levels, do you think that CRAPPY LEVELS means more money for Cyberjourers? I honestly don't think so.

-Jinx

Yeah true, but you've made exceptions, atleast Stefan has, letting Elven Lands come back, when that was up, he hated that server so much, but I have no idea why, it was getting 120+ people everyday, no chance of that happening again once it's back up (If that ever happens)

-Brett

[Jinx]

Originally posted by Masah


Yeah true, but you've made exceptions, atleast Stefan has, letting Elven Lands come back, when that was up, he hated that server so much, but I have no idea why, it was getting 120+ people everyday, no chance of that happening again once it's back up (If that ever happens)

-Brett

Stefan has made exceptions. We have not.

There is a re-make rule, that was made awhile ago. It lets old servers be re-submitted under special rules and requirements. Only half the server can be old levels, the other half has to be new and made by the staff team.

EL may get 120 people everyday again, we don't know until it's up.

-Jinx

[Masah]

Originally posted by Jinx


Stefan has made exceptions. We have not.

There is a re-make rule, that was made awhile ago. It lets old servers be re-submitted under special rules and requirements. Only half the server can be old levels, the other half has to be new and made by the staff team.

EL may get 120 people everyday again, we don't know until it's up.

-Jinx

That's sucks, because you're here to enforce the rules, but Stefan comes and changes them or makes exceptions when he pleases, ofcourse he's the owner and all, but he should stick to what rules he puts down, and enforce them properly, and I doubt that will happen to EL again, it's had it's time, well maybe it will get 120+ players the first day...

-Brett

[Torankusu]

brett, the elvenlands situation and the bravo one are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

Elven lands IS following the remake rule guidelines.

[ParadiseAdmin3]

Bravo sucks. They don't have that old community anymore and its dieing. Player count is dropping

[Boozy_Bravo]

Originally posted by ParadiseAdmin3
Bravo sucks. They don't have that old community anymore and its dieing. Player count is dropping

only reason : NPC Server

~ThndrShk2k

[thesaiyan]

Originally posted by Boozy_Bravo

only reason : NPC Server

~ThndrShk2k

Bravo's npc server keeps fawking up. Its not even online right now........

[GraalBR]

In my opinion bringing back Bravo was just the Andors staff cry for players.

Some of the Staff is cool but lets face it Andor sucked,
Most of the staff dont care about making it "old bravo",
THey just want a high playercount and to be "known".

Most of Andors 9999999999999 play Graal when Bravo was around.

But im sure all that will change ;-)

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Torankusu
yeah, and let's lose graal more money by assisting people in spawning 30982924 remakes and wanting them put up "because bravo got to do it!@!@!"

Agreed.....

[MysticalDragonP2P]

Milkdude whats ur graal nick

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by MysticalDragonP2P
The reason we are not apart of that remake rule is becouse Andor was always Bravo.Just renamed and we got stefans permission before we did it.


-Andor was Good But Bravo is better
-UN Suxs Bravo will always be better
-Bravo online is the Best Server

-Mystical Dragon (Reviver of Bravo)

Uh.
Where do you get the "we are not apart of that remake rule" thing?

You have TONS of bravo levels online.

-Possible the Bravo Reviewer.

[GraalBR]

Originally posted by MysticalDragonP2P


-Bravo online is the Best Server

-Mystical Dragon (Reviver of Bravo)

Your Joking Right?
Bravo wasnt one of the Fav servers because it had "nice levels",
Most of it was because the Unity on the server was something else,
Their was always something happening and the staff was always helpfull.

But it could have something to do with lvls.

Milkdudes Graal Nick is
Moon God (Manager) Npulse

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by MysticalDragonP2P
Milkdude whats ur graal nick

dhgaa.

Signatures exist for a reason.

It's obvious it's "Moon God."

[Jinx]

Originally posted by MysticalDragonP2P
The reason we are not apart of that remake rule is becouse Andor was always Bravo.Just renamed and we got stefans permission before we did it.


-Andor was Good But Bravo is better
-UN Suxs Bravo will always be better
-Bravo online is the Best Server

-Mystical Dragon (Reviver of Bravo)

Andor was not always Bravo. Andor had a different name, different levels, different everything. If two things are completley different, they are not the same.

"Andor was good but Bravo was better"

Bravo may get more players. But I suppose that depends on how you define "Better". Andor has better Levels, better NPCs, better Quests. The only thing I can see Bravo being better than Andor at, is playercount, and the only reason the playercount is better, is because of the name.

UN Sux Bravo will always be better

Wow, nice mature comment. If your going to idiotically flame other servers, at least back up your accusations with facts. I personally don't like UN's levels, but I can tell you they are better than Bravo's. Their NPCs work.
AND, since it seems to be the only thing that matters to most of you Bravo-ians, they have a higher playercount almost all the time.

-Bravo online is the Best Server

Again, if your going to flame other servers, or brag about your own, back your statements up with facts. Bravo has probibly the worst levels, the NPCs dont work, all of the quests I've seen are "hack-your-way-through-a-million-baddies", and hardly any of you want to fix that.

-Jinx

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by MysticalDragonP2P
Milkdude whats ur graal nick

*sigh* *no comment*

[LordZen]

Originally posted by Masah


Before you say anything about any other server, think back to you managing Babylon, that should say everything.

-Brett

What the hell? Babylon easily has better levels than Bravo. What does me managing another server have anything to do with that? Besides, you obviously know nothing of the **** that server had to go through, it was not easy at all keeping everything working. LordHelmut had deleted everything, in every folder he could, I was lucky enough to keep him from levels. My first co-owner screwed up the server badly, deleting EVERYTHING in levels FTP that started with "B" (every file that started with B, not just levels), I had tried, and tried, to get a backup of the levels, my 56k could have been to blame as to why I couldnt get everything downloaded, I dont know, but my RC kept freezing and that was so frustrating for me, especially when I found out about what happened days later. Ask any staff that was around then, it was hell. We were all very mad at the founder for his attack. I was working on several projects that didnt get up sooner simply because of lack of help. You know nothing of what was going on...and I know given the situations I had handled it well.

[Brandon_Bravo]

The server was released early because, as was said, Mystical Dragon talked to Stefan when he logged onto RC. I did not know it would be released that day, we had expected more time to get things ready. I apologize for the plain look of the levels, we are working to update them.

The change to Bravo Online was authorized by me, however, as I said, I was unaware that it would occur as soon as it did.