Giltwist is back?

royce · #1 06-09-2002, 03:05 AM

Now why does he have to come back. I stopped playing providence becasue he was there, then Kamuii told me he was fired or something, well lets put it this way, he went bye-bye. Now I go onto providence looking at its current position because everyone says its great and all and I see he is back. I can't believe you guys actually wanted him back after how he acted towards players. Let this be advice to other PW Owners, if someone on your server (prefferably staff

) is disrespectful to players, dont bring them back thinking that they have changed or something. You only have 1 impression in life, make that the best you can. Obviously Giltwist never did.

Torankusu · #2 06-09-2002, 03:07 AM

I'll go out and hire him. hold on.

draygin · #3 06-09-2002, 03:33 AM

how was he disrespectful to players? He made alot of fun RP's and stuff. Also he was never fired he quit when kamuii took over.

GraalBR · #4 06-09-2002, 03:35 AM

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Originally posted by royce
Now why does he have to come back. I stopped playing providence becasue he was there, then Kamuii told me he was fired or something, well lets put it this way, he went bye-bye. Now I go onto providence looking at its current position because everyone says its great and all and I see he is back. I can't believe you guys actually wanted him back after how he acted towards players. Let this be advice to other PW Owners, if someone on your server (prefferably staff ) is disrespectful to players, dont bring them back thinking that they have changed or something. You only have 1 impression in life, make that the best you can. Obviously Giltwist never did.

heh

draygin · #5 06-09-2002, 03:38 AM

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Originally posted by royce
Now why does he have to come back. I stopped playing providence becasue he was there, then Kamuii told me he was fired or something, well lets put it this way, he went bye-bye. Now I go onto providence looking at its current position because everyone says its great and all and I see he is back. I can't believe you guys actually wanted him back after how he acted towards players. Let this be advice to other PW Owners, if someone on your server (prefferably staff ) is disrespectful to players, dont bring them back thinking that they have changed or something. You only have 1 impression in life, make that the best you can. Obviously Giltwist never did.

and with out giltwist we wouldnt have all the old levels back. With out him Providence would still be stuck with the same horrible overworld that the players currently have access to. Not to mention the scripts he's been working on or bringing back such as the instruments.

royce · #6 06-09-2002, 03:41 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

and with out giltwist we wouldnt have all the old levels back. With out him Providence would still be stuck with the same horrible overworld that the players currently have access to. Not to mention the scripts he's been working on or bringing back such as the instruments.

Old Providence is going to be crap, considering all the options you have available. If I owned Providence, I would be working on a tileset around the clock. Not a cheezy tileset like some other PW's out there. Lets just put it this way, Giltwist is going nothing compared to what I know you could easily do as we speak.

draygin · #7 06-09-2002, 03:50 AM

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Originally posted by royce

Old Providence is going to be crap, considering all the options you have available. If I owned Providence, I would be working on a tileset around the clock. Not a cheezy tileset like some other PW's out there. Lets just put it this way, Giltwist is going nothing compared to what I know you could easily do as we speak.

considering you've seen nothing of whats been done. That's a very ignorant thing to say.

draygin · #8 06-09-2002, 03:50 AM

Giltwist gave me this message.

Giltwist:
I'd just like to say that I left in support of SK's resignation after he and Kamuii had a falling out. Secondly, to my knowledge, the only people who I was disrespectful to were those who were disrespectful to me. People who swore at me, or others, people who uncourtiously spammed me, and the like are those to whom I refer. Thirdly, if this is some gripe from when I was in charge of RP backups, I am sorry if you found my standards too high. Lastly, my current position requires no contact with players. I am a NAT now, not the RP Admin, an I am quite relieved for the reduction in work load. Thusly, while I will let others judge my character, I was hired for my coding skill, not my personality. In the future, if you have a complaint, bring it up with me personally and I will happily discuss solutions. I do not appreciate being slandered in public.

royce · #9 06-09-2002, 04:26 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

considering you've seen nothing of whats been done. That's a very ignorant thing to say.

Considering you have nothing to see.

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Originally posted by draygin

Giltwist gave me this message.

Giltwist:
I'd just like to say that I left in support of SK's resignation after he and Kamuii had a falling out. Secondly, to my knowledge, the only people who I was disrespectful to were those who were disrespectful to me. People who swore at me, or others, people who uncourtiously spammed me, and the like are those to whom I refer. Thirdly, if this is some gripe from when I was in charge of RP backups, I am sorry if you found my standards too high. Lastly, my current position requires no contact with players. I am a NAT now, not the RP Admin, an I am quite relieved for the reduction in work load. Thusly, while I will let others judge my character, I was hired for my coding skill, not my personality. In the future, if you have a complaint, bring it up with me personally and I will happily discuss solutions. I do not appreciate being slandered in public.

I know dozens and dozens of people that know how disrespectful you were towards them while they never did a thing to you. I dont care what you say. I know why your current position doesnt have contact with players, because you know you will flip out of hand and treat other people with no dignity just for your own personal pleasure. Everyone was relieved when you left the first time you were staff. Well, good luck increasing the playercount because right now, I dont think its getting any better.

SinNetherwind · #10 06-09-2002, 04:32 AM

umm he's only a NAT right? dont let it bother you = /

draygin · #11 06-09-2002, 04:44 AM

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Originally posted by royce

Considering you have nothing to see.

I know dozens and dozens of people that know how disrespectful you were towards them while they never did a thing to you. I dont care what you say. I know why your current position doesnt have contact with players, because you know you will flip out of hand and treat other people with no dignity just for your own personal pleasure. Everyone was relieved when you left the first time you were staff. Well, good luck increasing the playercount because right now, I dont think its getting any better.

Man every single word stinks of ignorance.

haunter · #12 06-09-2002, 05:03 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

Man every single word stinks of ignorance.

That'w why I didn't bother to finish reading his post!

Python523 · #13 06-09-2002, 07:27 AM

1.) Why the hell do you care
2.) This shouldn't be here, if you have a problem with the staff, take it up with me
3.) I think giltwist acts fine, I don't care what he did in the past, him and kamuii might've had an arguement but that doesn't have anything to do with the quality of work I see from him
4.) You don't think it's getting any better? Have you even THOUGHT that we weren't showing what we were working on?
5.) also, I would have a new tileset made but currently we have no GATs

ZanderX · #14 06-09-2002, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by royce
Now why does he have to come back. I stopped playing providence becasue he was there, then Kamuii told me he was fired or something, well lets put it this way, he went bye-bye. Now I go onto providence looking at its current position because everyone says its great and all and I see he is back. I can't believe you guys actually wanted him back after how he acted towards players. Let this be advice to other PW Owners, if someone on your server (prefferably staff ) is disrespectful to players, dont bring them back thinking that they have changed or something. You only have 1 impression in life, make that the best you can. Obviously Giltwist never did.

I don't want him back, he's only here because we have pretty much no NATs other than Jagen and Jeff, and we need more than two.

draygin · #15 06-10-2002, 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

I don't want him back, he's only here because we have pretty much no NATs other than Jagen and Jeff, and we need more than two.

Yea god knows we have to have some one that actually works on providence instead of only showing up once a month.

*coughkamuiicough*

ZanderX · #16 06-10-2002, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

Yea god knows we have to have some one that actually works on providence instead of only showing up once a month.

*coughkamuiicough*

Oh, how witty.

I'm not getting into an argument with you, because I know that I do my job as MANAGER and that's perfectly fine with me, so screw you. :P

draygin · #17 06-10-2002, 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

Oh, how witty.

I'm not getting into an argument with you, because I know that I do my job as MANAGER and that's perfectly fine with me, so screw you. :P

LOL thats funny. Considering Jagen and Jeff are the ones I see running the server. Aside from your montly visit you dont do ****. You're a piss poor manager in my opinion. What have you done as owner of Prov since you took it over? I believe the current overworld speaks for its self. Yes great managment indeed.

royce · #18 06-10-2002, 01:52 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

LOL thats funny. Considering Jagen and Jeff are the ones I see running the server. Aside from your montly visit you dont do ****. You're a piss poor manager in my opinion. What have you done as owner of Prov since you took it over? I believe the current overworld speaks for its self. Yes great managment indeed.

I'd like to see your backround history

. Kamuii has to be one of the coolest people on graal these days. He could accomplish way more than you could little kid, with far more better experience. I believe, when he actually worked on the server, his ideas were far more greater than they are now. Jagen and Jeff are just ruining everything. Providence is getting dragged down. Kamuii choses not to do anything, even though Jagen tries, I couldnt say it helps. Kamuii did more than you, Jagen, and Jeff did combined.You sir, have just been owned.

draygin · #19 06-10-2002, 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by royce

I'd like to see your backround history. Kamuii has to be one of the coolest people on graal these days. He could accomplish way more than you could little kid, with far more better experience. I believe, when he actually worked on the server, his ideas were far more greater than they are now. Jagen and Jeff are just ruining everything. Providence is getting dragged down. Kamuii choses not to do anything, even though Jagen tries, I couldnt say it helps. Kamuii did more than you, Jagen, and Jeff did combined.You sir, have just been owned.

lol you're full of **** too. Since Just after the beginning of Prov Kamuii hasnt done **** for prov he's been active almost as long as its' been online. You are just an idiot with an attitude problem. Who goes around attacking everything. Jagen and Jeff arn't bringing it down it's thanks to them that it's being fixed with out them it would be the same piece of **** overworld that was put up when Kamuii took over. You my retarded little friend have just been owned

Python523 · #20 06-10-2002, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by royce

I'd like to see your backround history. Kamuii has to be one of the coolest people on graal these days. He could accomplish way more than you could little kid, with far more better experience. I believe, when he actually worked on the server, his ideas were far more greater than they are now. Jagen and Jeff are just ruining everything. Providence is getting dragged down. Kamuii choses not to do anything, even though Jagen tries, I couldnt say it helps. Kamuii did more than you, Jagen, and Jeff did combined.You sir, have just been owned.

I'm ruining everything? I would like to see you do better, and how do you know who does what? I never see you on so unless you log onto providence often and see the work that has been done, please shut the **** up, k?

royce · #21 06-10-2002, 02:32 AM

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Originally posted by Python523

I'm ruining everything? I would like to see you do better, and how do you know who does what? I never see you on so unless you log onto providence often and see the work that has been done, please shut the **** up, k?

Everytime I get on, I am always warped to a different position then I was last time. There is nothing but green grass, trees, and water all around me. My little 6 yr old cousin could make a better server than that. And for that other guy who doesnt know what he is talking about, like I said before, you have no room to talk. Kamuii could top notch you in no time, so i'm not worried about your little punk ass. Back to Jagen, playerworlds have had these problems for a long time. Now's the time to actually inspect them and see updates, rather than sitting on your ass.

Python523 · #22 06-10-2002, 02:36 AM

I bet the conclusion that we haven't even been showing the overworld we have been working on hasn't even been processed in your mind? And Madmartigan (draygin) does have room to talk, he's one of the better level makers I know of

draygin · #23 06-10-2002, 02:45 AM

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Originally posted by royce

Everytime I get on, I am always warped to a different position then I was last time. There is nothing but green grass, trees, and water all around me. My little 6 yr old cousin could make a better server than that. And for that other guy who doesnt know what he is talking about, like I said before, you have no room to talk. Kamuii could top notch you in no time, so i'm not worried about your little punk ass. Back to Jagen, playerworlds have had these problems for a long time. Now's the time to actually inspect them and see updates, rather than sitting on your ass.

Let's see and who was the world's greatest genius who put that up? Could it be *gasp* Kamuii!!! Oh my. I swear your intelligence drops with each post you make. Considering Jagen and Jeff are the ones getting off there duff and working to improve the quality of providence. But of course you talkin out your ass when you havnt seen the overworld that is restricted. Even though you've been told multiple times you still blame it on Jagen and Jeff when the one who put that **** overworld up in the first place was with Kamuii and not either Jeff or Jagen. You should at least try to know what you're talking about before you open your mouth and make an ass of your self.

royce · #24 06-10-2002, 02:56 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

Let's see and who was the world's greatest genius who put that up? Could it be *gasp* Kamuii!!! Oh my. I swear your intelligence drops with each post you make. Considering Jagen and Jeff are the ones getting off there duff and working to improve the quality of providence. But of course you talkin out your ass when you havnt seen the overworld that is restricted. Even though you've been told multiple times you still blame it on Jagen and Jeff when the one who put that **** overworld up in the first place was with Kamuii and not either Jeff or Jagen. You should at least try to know what you're talking about before you open your mouth and make an ass of your self.

You have got to be the biggest loser on graal now. Tell me who you are. nickname, other account names. Let me see the REAL you.

draygin · #25 06-10-2002, 03:04 AM

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Originally posted by royce

You have got to be the biggest loser on graal now. Tell me who you are. nickname, other account names. Let me see the REAL you.

Considering my name has been said at least once. Open your damn eye's and read dumb ass. Saying some one is the biggest loser. The last resort of a fool with no further stupid retorts left.

[edit] typo's [/edit]

ZanderX · #26 06-10-2002, 05:49 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

Let's see and who was the world's greatest genius who put that up? Could it be *gasp* Kamuii!!! Oh my. I swear your intelligence drops with each post you make. Considering Jagen and Jeff are the ones getting off there duff and working to improve the quality of providence. But of course you talkin out your ass when you havnt seen the overworld that is restricted. Even though you've been told multiple times you still blame it on Jagen and Jeff when the one who put that **** overworld up in the first place was with Kamuii and not either Jeff or Jagen. You should at least try to know what you're talking about before you open your mouth and make an ass of your self.

Actually, I haven't uploaded jack ****, so **** you, seriously. I'm sick of lies.

The ones who uploaded the damn other overworlds were Jeff and Jagen and others; I spent a while thinking about it before I told them they could upload the newer things (which turned out as failed projects as we all know), I never once uploaded anything myself.

Get your facts straight before you parade around acting like a goddamn *******.

ZanderX · #27 06-10-2002, 05:50 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

LOL thats funny. Considering Jagen and Jeff are the ones I see running the server. Aside from your montly visit you dont do ****. You're a piss poor manager in my opinion. What have you done as owner of Prov since you took it over? I believe the current overworld speaks for its self. Yes great managment indeed.

Here's a great idea you ****ing imbecile.

If I'm such a horrible manager, why do I still hold the position?

Hmmmm, I wonder.

ZanderX · #28 06-10-2002, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

lol you're full of **** too. Since Just after the beginning of Prov Kamuii hasnt done **** for prov he's been active almost as long as its' been online. You are just an idiot with an attitude problem. Who goes around attacking everything. Jagen and Jeff arn't bringing it down it's thanks to them that it's being fixed with out them it would be the same piece of **** overworld that was put up when Kamuii took over. You my retarded little friend have just been owned

Actually, the new overworld went up FOUR MONTHS after I became Manager.

Once again, learn your facts before you ****ing *****.

Brad · #29 06-10-2002, 05:55 AM

Kamoo, holding two manager jobs is not good :[

Python523 · #30 06-10-2002, 05:55 AM

I don't see a problem with kamuii's management, he may not seem like he's active but he does know whats best most of the time, I usually do ask for permission to do things before I do them on AIM so in a way he does manage

ZanderX · #31 06-10-2002, 05:57 AM

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Originally posted by Brad
Kamoo, holding two manager jobs is not good :[

Until it's proven that I cannot handle two, I will do both.

draygin · #32 06-10-2002, 06:03 AM

You're manager its your job to run the server. If all this happens with out your say so that would make one wonder just what kind of a manager you are. You're job is to manage the staff how have you been managing anything? You're responsible for how YOUR server turns out. I have my facts straight. You're owner so run your damn player world instead of neglecting it all the time. Like now you're actually on. Thats a nice start. -_-

ZanderX · #33 06-10-2002, 06:09 AM

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Originally posted by draygin
You're manager its your job to run the server. If all this happens with out your say so that would make one wonder just what kind of a manager you are. You're job is to manage the staff how have you been managing anything? You're responsible for how YOUR server turns out. I have my facts straight. You're owner so run your damn player world instead of neglecting it all the time. Like now you're actually on. Thats a nice start. -_-

Yes, I am responsible, yes I have made decisions, but these are all based on what others have told me and what I've observed.

For example, Shadow Knight leaves and cripples the server. It has to be remade, since no one has a backup.

Then, Kronan ****s the server up. It has to be remade. Again.

Now we're onto our, what, third overworld? Post-Kronan. I authorized it because there was little else we could do.

I never said any of it happens without my say. At any rate, I don't neglect Providence at all. To you, maybe. Not to anyone else.

Brad · #34 06-10-2002, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

Until it's proven that I cannot handle two, I will do both.

Whatever, just seems almost "selfish" and "difficult" to manage two.

ZanderX · #35 06-10-2002, 06:12 AM

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Whatever, just seems almost "selfish" and "difficult" to manage two.

Selfish? No. I have a commitment to Tyne to keep running the server until I'm no longer able to, and it's not really that difficult at all.

Brad · #36 06-10-2002, 06:14 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

Selfish? No. I have a commitment to Tyne to keep running the server until I'm no longer able to, and it's not really that difficult at all.

But, by managing 2k1 as well, you are not giving your all and putting in your best.

ZanderX · #37 06-10-2002, 06:17 AM

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But, by managing 2k1 as well, you are not giving your all and putting in your best.

How do you know if I'm not giving my all for both servers?

Brad · #38 06-10-2002, 06:18 AM

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How do you know if I'm not giving my all for both servers?

Because, instead of giving all your time and effort into one server, it must be split. In that case, you cannot give all your input into both. I'm not saying you cannot manage both, I dunno what I'm saying.

albus777 · #39 06-10-2002, 06:21 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

I never said any of it happens without my say. At any rate, I don't neglect Providence at all. To you, maybe. Not to anyone else.

I think you're neglecting Providence.

ZanderX · #40 06-10-2002, 06:23 AM

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Originally posted by albus777

I think you're neglecting Providence.

That's too bad.