Argh...

Frolic_RC2 · #1 05-23-2002, 05:16 AM

This if mainly for Stefan, since apparently he doesn't read his PMs.

Well if he does read it, this should mean something.

Why are you preventing me from completing my work?

Its like I need to join GO staff to get anywhere serious on PWs. Thats what all these other new servers did, barely started, but since they are part of GO they get special things.

All I ever think about is what I'm going to do on graal. It never leaves my head, always a little bit there. I work all day on my stuff and it goes no where, but always I have hope in my head, and it seems hopeless. No one listens, I work and I get nothing in return, I put all my energy in and I never get anywhere.

Why the hell are you making me work so damn hard on this Stefan? You give these other people free passes yet make me work so damn hard? Because you don't trust me? I'm not capable? What the hell do I have to do to get anywhere? You give these other people, who are in fact new to the PW area all this support, yet I work for years now, perfecting my skill, and I GET NOWHERE. When will you trust me? When will you see I'm actually going to get this done?

Why do you do this Stefan? What the hell have I done? I devote all my time to this and I don't get trusted, I try to get involved with GO and it all goes wrong, I work on Murasamune and I never get anywhere. When will you stop be so damn biased and actually help someone deserving it? I'm sick of this, I can't stop think about Graal until I finish, and you never let me finish.

This is truely crap, you say you don't want peoples work to go to waste then you treat others better then others. I worked hard on this, and I cannot stand for the superior treatment you are giving other PWs, Stefan its crap. Why did you do this?

Please don't delete this Crono, I need to know the answers, and I can't fully say anything in a PM, and he never reads e-mails. This is the only way, and it lets everyone else see a small piece of the situation.

nyghtGT · #2 05-23-2002, 05:25 AM

amen!

I agree Stefan is way too leaniant with some of these servers giving them quite a few chances, but if you work as hard as you say you do, which I am sure of, your allready twice as good as a bunch of those people. My advice for you is just to try your best and get your work done, then when your all done with your server and such you can just look at them and laugh.

Zolrieg · #3 05-23-2002, 05:29 AM

Soul Blade has been working on Murasamune as long as I can remember, I think he deserves for all the devotion and struggles he has had to endure. the least Stefan could do is give him a chance. can't wait to play the actual server either.

freddyfox · #4 05-23-2002, 05:42 AM

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Originally posted by Frolic_RC2
Why did you do this?

Uhhh... cause... it's his game?

WHIPENIE4 · #5 05-23-2002, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul Blade
<Big post here>

I agree, read pm

Psyker · #6 05-23-2002, 05:56 AM

superior treatment for other playerworlds... huh?

Lao_Su2 · #7 05-23-2002, 05:57 AM

LMAo give him GO D
maybe he should just do it

iniquitus · #8 05-23-2002, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by Frolic_RC2
*SNIP*

OK, I like you, I like your playerworld, but I think your post underminded any point you actualy wanted to put accross.

1.) What exacily are you talking about? The hidden construction servers?

2.) Almost everyone here thinks about Graal constantly. Your specialy why?

Being angry and making demands doesn't get you anywhere, your just showing that your eager to oppose the Graal Online staff... Yet your demanding their trust.

I don't think a development server would help all that much, If your playerworld is generaly looking good, and shows potential, the PW Administration team most likely won't care about NPC's for the NPC Server that don't work perfectly, they know that you have not had access to an NPC server and have no way of testing-- Your PW will probably pass right now if you meet the level requirements and show your work/things you have planned.

Your making it sound like Stefan hires GO developers to help out these people, what next? Does Stefan add NPC scripting abilities to the graal.exe for these PW's too? You letting bits and peices of infortmation drive you crasy. Get the information, get the facts, and then decide, objectivly, if there is anything wrong.

You want an UC server? Simply make your onlinestartlocal go to a few "Under Construction" levels that tell people to check back later.

Yes, creating a Playerwprld is a long, fustrating, sometimes thankless, process. Don't let it get the best of you-- stay focused, stay positive... and keep your eye on the prize.

Please don't take this the wrong way, this is what I can see from my (limited) information provided to me. I think your PW will rock, you just need to relax.

Urizen

Frolic_RC2 · #9 05-23-2002, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by iniquitus

OK, I like you, I like your playerworld, but I think your post underminded any point you actualy wanted to put accross.

1.) What exacily are you talking about? The hidden construction servers?

2.) Almost everyone here thinks about Graal constantly. Your specialy why?

Being angry and making demands doesn't get you anywhere, your just showing that your eager to oppose the Graal Online staff... Yet your demanding their trust.

I don't think a development server would help all that much, If your playerworld is generaly looking good, and shows potential, the PW Administration team most likely won't care about NPC's for the NPC Server that don't work perfectly, they know that you have not had access to an NPC server and have no way of testing-- Your PW will probably pass right now if you meet the level requirements and show your work/things you have planned.

Your making it sound like Stefan hires GO developers to help out these people, what next? Does Stefan add NPC scripting abilities to the graal.exe for these PW's too? You letting bits and peices of infortmation drive you crasy. Get the information, get the facts, and then decide, objectivly, if there is anything wrong.

You want an UC server? Simply make your onlinestartlocal go to a few "Under Construction" levels that tell people to check back later.

Yes, creating a Playerwprld is a long, fustrating, sometimes thankless, process. Don't let it get the best of you-- stay focused, stay positive... and keep your eye on the prize.

Please don't take this the wrong way, this is what I can see from my (limited) information provided to me. I think your PW will rock, you just need to relax.

Urizen

Keep my eyes on what freakin prize? Its gotten me NOTHING at all. And thats the freakin problem, I need to make a ton of NPCs then redo every damn one, while these others skip all that and save a ton of time and work. And with the number of NPCs I am creating, it would take as much time as it did to create them to redo them.

I didn't say hidden servers because we shouldn't mention those, they don't want people to know about them, so I needed to work around it.

And yes, Stefan only allows GO developers to have them from what I've seen.

Thinking about graal constantly? I'm thinking "wonder if this would be good for Murasamune..." "maybe I should redo this..." "wow I need to show this on the forums". I'm thinking of ways to improve Murasamune.

I don't demand there trust, I want a damn chance to gain it, and I have yet to get it.

No, the PW administration does NOT review UC servers, which is why I haven't submitted.

I have done my research as well with this stuff, so I know the facts, and the more I know the more fustrating it is.

Frolic_RC2 · #10 05-23-2002, 06:47 AM

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Originally posted by freddyfox

Uhhh... cause... it's his game?

Take a country. The leader of the country in a sense owns the country, but still has an obligation to the citizens, and the work they do will get what the need.

Stefan is the leader. I work hard on what I do, and I get nothing from it, and it seems Stefan doesn't care about the ammount of work, and the ammount of rejection my work seems to get from him.

iniquitus · #11 05-23-2002, 06:48 AM

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OK, But flaming on the forums will only hurt you. Thats what I was *Trying to get at, obviously you read it as "YOUR STUPID!" -- I didn't intend for that.

Sorry, your right, I'm wrong, just keep flaming and see what it gets you.

Urizen

Frolic_RC2 · #12 05-23-2002, 06:50 AM

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Originally posted by iniquitus
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OK, But flaming on the forums will only hurt you. Thats what I was *Trying to get at, obviously you read it as "YOUR STUPID!" -- I didn't intend for that.

Sorry, your right, I'm wrong, just keep flaming and see what it gets you.

Urizen

I'm not flaming anyone, I'm asking for some questions to be answered.

iniquitus · #13 05-23-2002, 06:51 AM

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Originally posted by Frolic_RC2

Take a country. The leader of the country in a sense owns the country, but still has an obligation to the citizens, and the work they do will get what the need.

Stefan is the leader. I work hard on what I do, and I get nothing from it, and it seems Stefan doesn't care about the ammount of work, and the ammount of rejection my work seems to get from him.

The Difference:

Stefan never ASKED you to build a Playerworld.

You built one because you wanted to.

Urizen

Frolic_RC2 · #14 05-23-2002, 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by iniquitus

The Difference:

Stefan never ASKED you to build a Playerworld.

You built one because you wanted to.

Urizen

Has he asked anyone else to? Yet he gives them special treatment.

iniquitus · #15 05-23-2002, 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by Frolic_RC2

Has he asked anyone else to? Yet he gives them special treatment.

I don't know the answer to that-- neither do you. And this isn't a democraicy... it's not a republic, it's feudalisim, and Stefan is the King.

Frolic_RC2 · #16 05-23-2002, 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by iniquitus

I don't know the answer to that-- neither do you. And this isn't a democraicy... it's not a republic, it's feudalisim, and Stefan is the King.

Understood, only thing I can say to that is they will never succeed. No matter what, such systems have always failed, and I'm just say, this will be no exception in the end. At least for quality PW production.

iniquitus · #17 05-23-2002, 07:01 AM

Yes, it's sad that it is this way

Alot of people would have flamed back... Respect +2

Urizen

freddyfox · #18 05-23-2002, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by Frolic_RC2
Take a country. The leader of the country in a sense owns the country, but still has an obligation to the citizens, and the work they do will get what the need.

A leader takes responsibility for the real, live people who need a safe place to live. This is a game that he worked hard to built. That means he gets to decide who does what and who gets what.

Psyker · #19 05-23-2002, 07:07 AM

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Originally posted by Frolic_RC2
No, the PW administration does NOT review UC servers, which is why I haven't submitted.

I suddenly hate that rule.

Anyway, I'll try to help you out.

nyghtGT · #20 05-23-2002, 07:08 AM

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Originally posted by Frolic_RC2

Understood, only thing I can say to that is they will never succeed. No matter what, such systems have always failed, and I'm just say, this will be no exception in the end. At least for quality PW production.

Stefan is more like the Prince and Unixmad is his King...

haunter · #21 05-23-2002, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by nyghtGT

Stefan is more like the Prince and Unixmad is his King...

Can I be the beautiful princess with a long flowing veil?

nyghtGT · #22 05-23-2002, 07:57 AM

wolf: I will never play graal 2k2 nor 2k1. I dont care for the way they are managed. I'm looking forward to your server and stefan, his server will probaly be the most damn original server on graal. As all the PWs and GO servers repeat themselves.

Frolic_RC2 · #23 05-23-2002, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by freddyfox

A leader takes responsibility for the real, live people who need a safe place to live. This is a game that he worked hard to built. That means he gets to decide who does what and who gets what.

Its takes a while and alot of hard work for a leader to get to lead, but once they are there they must fulfill there oligation to justice and to the people. This is what I'm saying.

iniquitus · #24 05-23-2002, 08:42 AM

Absolute power corrupts.

Frolic_RC2 · #25 05-23-2002, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by iniquitus
Absolute power corrupts.

Yup as I said basicly in the "these kinds of leaderships never work".

Its true, name a single situation where absolute power (dictatorship) ended in a good way, or thrived with success and happyness. Can't name one? Heh thats what I thought.

I know Stefan completely owns this, but hes being very biased. I'm not flaming him, I'm just giving an opinion based on his actions.

iniquitus · #26 05-23-2002, 08:49 AM

But he is dependent on players to a point (for income) so it's not 'absolute power'-- whitch is good.

Frolic_RC2 · #27 05-23-2002, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by iniquitus
But he is dependent on players to a point (for income) so it's not 'absolute power'-- whitch is good.

Yeah but we really don't control management.

Anywho back to the subject...argh....

konidias · #28 05-23-2002, 10:05 AM

Okay, I'm going to throw my opinion in here.

I don't think Stefan is doing anything wrong. People pay for Graal to play the game, they don't pay so they can demand equal things for their pw's. It's not a dictatorship because Stefan takes plenty of suggestions and comments from people to help make Graal better.

You might want to take into consideration that Stefan may have only wanted to set a certain amount of private servers up at any given time. The servers that got up, were the people that asked him at the time he was going to do it. He is a busy guy, and I'm sure he doesn't make a list of all pw's wanting their own private server, as that would be one tremendous list.

I do believe that Murasamune deserves a private test server, but Stefan might have a different opinion. Soul Blade does argue with people A LOT, and has a problem controlling himself sometimes. Stefan might possibly be looking for the attitude of the pw owner when he is making his decision for giving them a test server. You can't really say this post is showing Soul Blades good side.

People tend to trust people that they know well, and this is no exception. If you're GO staff, you're most likely on good terms with Stefan. You talk to him more than the players do, and he knows how you act and what you're capable of creating. (development of Graal) I know that if I was in Stefan's shoes, I wouldn't give complete strangers that are yelling at me, access to a private test server.

It might help to try and talk with him about it one on one, instead of making posts here or trying to contact him via email or forum pm. If you bring it to his attention on 2k2 (which he is on often) then you might have a better chance in explaining to him how good your playerworld is going to be.

Frolic_RC2 · #29 05-23-2002, 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
Okay, I'm going to throw my opinion in here.

I don't think Stefan is doing anything wrong. People pay for Graal to play the game, they don't pay so they can demand equal things for their pw's. It's not a dictatorship because Stefan takes plenty of suggestions and comments from people to help make Graal better.

You might want to take into consideration that Stefan may have only wanted to set a certain amount of private servers up at any given time. The servers that got up, were the people that asked him at the time he was going to do it. He is a busy guy, and I'm sure he doesn't make a list of all pw's wanting their own private server, as that would be one tremendous list.

I do believe that Murasamune deserves a private test server, but Stefan might have a different opinion. Soul Blade does argue with people A LOT, and has a problem controlling himself sometimes. Stefan might possibly be looking for the attitude of the pw owner when he is making his decision for giving them a test server. You can't really say this post is showing Soul Blades good side.

People tend to trust people that they know well, and this is no exception. If you're GO staff, you're most likely on good terms with Stefan. You talk to him more than the players do, and he knows how you act and what you're capable of creating. (development of Graal) I know that if I was in Stefan's shoes, I wouldn't give complete strangers that are yelling at me, access to a private test server.

It might help to try and talk with him about it one on one, instead of making posts here or trying to contact him via email or forum pm. If you bring it to his attention on 2k2 (which he is on often) then you might have a better chance in explaining to him how good your playerworld is going to be.

Alright that sounds good, things are just getting kinda fusterating. I would appreciate any help, and I guess I could try PMing him on g2k2. Thanks.

Frolic_RC2 · #30 05-24-2002, 04:57 AM

Well, I Pmed Stefan when he was on G2K2 this morning, and asked him about it...ended with "so you want a private server?" before he could reply, he left. =( Bah so ***, well hopefully something will happen.

But, I'm going to finish my last system I have to finish, and then I can work some on levels and such, maybe get enough to go through the PW Administration...still won't have enough content then, and I don't want to go to far because it will take a ton of time to redo everything when online. Bah a puzzling situation...

Faheria_LAT3 · #31 05-24-2002, 05:40 AM

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Originally posted by Frolic_RC2
Well, I Pmed Stefan when he was on G2K2 this morning, and asked him about it...ended with "so you want a private server?" before he could reply, he left. =( Bah so ***, well hopefully something will happen.

But, I'm going to finish my last system I have to finish, and then I can work some on levels and such, maybe get enough to go through the PW Administration...still won't have enough content then, and I don't want to go to far because it will take a ton of time to redo everything when online. Bah a puzzling situation...

mmmmkay: I didn't fully understand that, did he say "so you want a private server?" If so, that is good news.

SinNetherwind · #32 05-24-2002, 05:43 AM

not stefans job to worry about PW's, its psykers. let him know your issues.

Frolic_RC2 · #33 05-24-2002, 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by SinNetherwind
not stefans job to worry about PW's, its psykers. let him know your issues.

You don't understand the situation.

Frolic_RC2 · #34 05-24-2002, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by Faheria_LAT3

mmmmkay: I didn't fully understand that, did he say "so you want a private server?" If so, that is good news.

Well I mean "..then before I could reply he left. I not he.

It may be good news, but I don't know. Hopefully it is good news.

nyghtGT · #35 05-24-2002, 06:58 AM

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Originally posted by haunter

Can I be the beautiful princess with a long flowing veil?

No, that's Birdbird...

Frolic_RC2 · #36 05-24-2002, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by nyghtGT

No, that's Birdbird...

??? WHat are you talking about?

Faheria_LAT3 · #37 05-24-2002, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by Frolic_RC2

Well I mean "..then before I could reply he left. I not he.

It may be good news, but I don't know. Hopefully it is good news.

mmmmkay: That is a good thing, I'm sure next PM you will get farther. He looks like he will possibly allow it.

Frolic_RC2 · #38 05-24-2002, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by Faheria_LAT3

mmmmkay: That is a good thing, I'm sure next PM you will get farther. He looks like he will possibly allow it.

Well first I'm going to get my PW a little farther on the offline side, all the client side stuff (intro, start screen...) and make it so everthing is organized and integrated will show what I have without them having to dig through my stuff.

Faheria_LAT3 · #39 05-24-2002, 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by Frolic_RC2

Well first I'm going to get my PW a little farther on the offline side, all the client side stuff (intro, start screen...) and make it so everthing is organized and integrated will show what I have without them having to dig through my stuff.

mmmmkay: That would be better.

WHIPENIE4 · #40 05-25-2002, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul Blade
But, I'm going to finish my last system I have to finish, and then I can work some on levels and such, maybe get enough to go through the PW Administration...still won't have enough content then, and I don't want to go to far because it will take a ton of time to redo everything when online. Bah a puzzling situation...

You need to get help with your pw, your doing everything by yourself, although your talented in pretty much all of the area's this is still probably why you seem so confused and fustrated. You have to much work on your hands. You should really consider hireing someone to help you do something like birdbird did for Graal 2230 and ask for people who are talented in at least 3 feilds or 2. Im sure alot of people will want to help, then pick the ones you feel could do the job the best etc... this should take some work off your back and give you time to relax and take it slowly. Something simular or at least I think it seems simular happened to me, I wanted to do the story then I got an idea for a level ... then a boss a new script that I could add in then Graphics for the boss then I ended up with half a story a boss and some levels didnt add up to much in the end, I had tons of ideas that I thought I could handle and all i wanted to do was hurry up and get it finished, it seems like your doing something like this now your getting all these ideas together or ideas you have and are trying to make them better for the people etc.. then you want to start on levels so you can do the ow etc.. etc..

Makes you want to pull your hair out and scream no?