already staring trouble

[Torankusu_2002]

jeeze, my first day back and i already have a complaint.

I remember a while back, like a couple months, BirdBird would threaten to ban people just for messaging him. I don't understand how BirdBird went from being a half retarded level maker, to being THIS INGENIOUS "DON'T MESSAGE ME I AM DOING IMPORTANT STUFF I WILL BAN YOU" administrator.

Gah, all I know is that he banned Hawk because Hawk was annoying him, and I know that BirdBird shouldn't have this type of power, and he shouldn't ban for that type of reason.

[Ghost Pirate]

Originally posted by Torankusu_2002
jeeze, my first day back and i already have a complaint.

I remember a while back, like a couple months, BirdBird would threaten to ban people just for messaging him. I don't understand how BirdBird went from being a half retarded level maker, to being THIS INGENIOUS "DON'T MESSAGE ME I AM DOING IMPORTANT STUFF I WILL BAN YOU" administrator.

Gah, all I know is that he banned Hawk because Hawk was annoying him, and I know that BirdBird shouldn't have this type of power, and he shouldn't ban for that type of reason.

Umm...bird sort of accidently send me hawks bann PM and the reason from what it looked like wasn't just because hawk messaged him

[TrueHeaT]

the way i understand it, hawk was REALLY harassing him, etc. not just "PMed him a couple times and got banned"

[Sir_Gareth]

Originally posted by Torankusu_2002
jeeze, my first day back and i already have a complaint.

I remember a while back, like a couple months, BirdBird would threaten to ban people just for messaging him. I don't understand how BirdBird went from being a half retarded level maker, to being THIS INGENIOUS "DON'T MESSAGE ME I AM DOING IMPORTANT STUFF I WILL BAN YOU" administrator.

Gah, all I know is that he banned Hawk because Hawk was annoying him, and I know that BirdBird shouldn't have this type of power, and he shouldn't ban for that type of reason.

you put the M in smart gameo..
I should do that on UN
PM aND BAN
id beremoved as owner in like 2 seconds,

[Torankusu_2002]

hawk DAMNIT: he banned me from graal, I was just going HEY MAKE ME ASST OF SOTO MAN DO IT DO IT!
hawk DAMNIT: and I was joking around
hawk DAMNIT: and he banned me

[Torankusu_2002]

and even if he actually called him a terrible owner i don't think hawk should have been banned from a pay game unless he used vulgar language, atleast.

[TrueHeaT]

Well that's not the way I heard it. I know he did more than just say "HEY MAKE ME ASST OF SOTO MAN DO IT DO IT!"

[Sir_Gareth]

Originally posted by Torankusu_2002
hawk DAMNIT: he banned me from graal, I was just going HEY MAKE ME ASST OF SOTO MAN DO IT DO IT!
hawk DAMNIT: and I was joking around
hawk DAMNIT: and he banned me

Wait you banned that power hungry hawk who was abusing ins powers as a PW Inpecter saying he can fire owners of servers and that he should get rc on UN..and all his job is is o reveiw upciming playerworlds?
THANKS GOD HE BANNED HIM!!

THANK YOU BIRD
than on aim hes like
Hey hows Un going
im like good go away i have homework
him:No,
me:YES GO WAYA
him:if thats how you treat your players im getting you removbed from owner..


*PRAUE BIRDBIBRD*

[Evildred144]

dont feel bad --; im banned for shadow knight using his power corruptly and giving me 45 diamond axes even though i did not ask for them.

[Torankusu_2002]

hawk DAMNIT: You (5/7/02 7:49:05 PM):

wow, please go to a real school that teaches how to talk, really, you need to!
I NEVER SAID YOU DISCONNECTED MY INTERNET, NO YOU DO NOT
LOOK THAT SMART TO ME.
I said you were DISCONNECTING me from graal.
Think about it.
hawk DAMNIT: that's probably the worst of it all
hawk DAMNIT: ---
You (5/7/02 8:17:12 PM):

or pming DarkVillin HAWK WONT STOP PMMMING ME

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Opposite (5/7/02 8:17:21 PM):

you seriously want to end this with a bam huh?

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You (5/7/02 8:17:37 PM):

no, when did I ever say that?

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Opposite (5/7/02 8:19:16 PM):

Have fun with your ban, any last words?
hawk DAMNIT: You (5/7/02 8:11:37 PM):

you remind me of mr bear, except I am friends with him.
all he did in RC chat would say "STOP EVERYONE STEFAN I NEED MORE
POWERS SO I CAN HELP GRAAL BETTER" that is what you do. I am pretty
sure that is why you manage 2k1 and are doing a horrible job.


NO WAY SHOULD ANYONE BE BANNED FOR THIS
I've had Hyped harass me much much worse while she was on Police and she never got fired or in trouble or anything!

[TrueHeaT]

I think the ban's just so he would leave Bird alone, which he should have done. It's very annoying to be harassed as an admin, and if the admin needs to ban someone just to stop them from being in contact with the admin then I'm all for it if it's reasonable, and I think this was.

[feivel]

He could have put him on ignore,
seriously there have been people doing much worse things then this and not getting banned, for Hawk to be banned is redicilous..

[TrueHeaT]

Originally posted by feivel
He could have put him on ignore,

YES, THAT'S VERY POSSIBLE ON RC

[feivel]

Originally posted by TrueHeaT


YES, THAT'S VERY POSSIBLE ON RC

??? Im sorry I dont know how RC works..
well He could have manually ignored him by not answering his PMs..

[Falcor]

RC Ignores would be usefull if they wern't saved after you shut it down. That way you can cut off the people that are anoying you w/o banning them.

[ZanderX]

He was banned for actual harassment.

You don't call someone names and tell them to learn how to spell and then say you're just joking.

[feivel]

Well maybe he was just joking :P
I still dont think the punishment fits the crime,
especially since the one handing out the punishment is the one fell victim to the crime they are obviously going to be more biased against the person no matter what anyone says.

[ZanderX]

Originally posted by feivel
Well maybe he was just joking :P
I still dont think the punishment fits the crime,
especially since the one handing out the punishment is the one fell victim to the crime they are obviously going to be more biased against the person no matter what anyone says.

You haven't seen the entire log.

[AlkarenHyralt]

Fine, I'll give it a chance.

[feivel]

Even though this thread has a point, and in certain light can be seen in compliance with all rules without breaking any of them,
why is anymore of this thread necessary, Gameo made his complaint, people commented, just end it. Its obvious that this thread can and will only go in one direction...

[Kaimetsu]

I might've jailed him in the same situation, but more likely I'd have just argued with him.

[Birdbird_0]

Here is it from the pm folder, I'm tired of explaing myself after a complaint like this, just read and judge for yourself.

Anyway, I unbanned him a long time ago actualy, he was banned for two hours becsue he wouldn't stop messaging me over and over about this, here:

Opposite (5/7/2002 6:50:39 PM):

hi Kamuii said "I suppose" to Soto having an asst. but he said to ask you also,
would Soto be allowed to have an assistant please?

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You (5/7/2002 6:52:35 PM):

no.

---
You (5/7/2002 6:53:33 PM):

Stefan is pissed at soto right now because soto's performance on
bugs reports is far below par

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:19:57 PM):

hi Kamuii said "I suppose" to Soto having an asst. but he said to ask you also,
would Soto be allowed to have an assistant please?

---
You (5/7/2002 7:20:09 PM):

I said no once already!

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:20:33 PM):

well arent you both owners or something? ;(

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You (5/7/2002 7:21:56 PM):

yes but we confront each other before hiring or making a new
position for people
I say no for you being soto's assitant.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:23:07 PM):

I don't know when in there I EVER said that I wanted to be it.
Read it before you think I want the position right away there buddy.
I simply asked if he could have an assistant, no where in there was I mentioned.

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You (5/7/2002 7:23:56 PM):

*Hawk (5/7/2002 7:23:07 PM):
I don't know when in there I EVER said that I wanted to
be it.
Read it before you think I want the position right away
there buddy.
I simply asked if he could have an assistant, no where
in there was I mentioned.
Birdbird_0 (5/7/2002 7:21:56 PM):
yes but we confront each other before hiring or making
a new
position for people
I say no for you being soto's assitant.
*Hawk (5/7/2002 7:20:33 PM):
well arent you both owners or something? ;(
Birdbird_0 (5/7/2002 7:20:09 PM):
I said no once already!
*Hawk (5/7/2002 7:19:57 PM):
hi Kamuii said "I suppose" to Soto having an asst. but
he said to ask you also,
would Soto be allowed to have an assistant please?
Birdbird_0 (5/7/2002 6:53:33 PM):
Stefan is pissed at soto right now because soto's
performance on
bugs reports is far below par
Birdbird_0 (5/7/2002 6:52:35 PM):
no.
*Hawk (5/7/2002 6:50:39 PM):
hi Kamuii said "I suppose" to Soto having an asst. but
he said to ask you also,
would Soto be allowed to have an assistant please?

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You (5/7/2002 7:24:13 PM):

Bugs admin doesn't need an assistant.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:25:36 PM):

blah, well, my internet shut off.
If you ever need a replacement think of me because I am certified as a
computer technician and I used to be bugs admin so I know most of the bugs
and how to deal with them

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You (5/7/2002 7:26:24 PM):

but being a certified computer technition doesn't really apply to
npc bugs in graal.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:28:01 PM):

well, not really, but it does with video cards and stuff.
either way I used to be bugs admin so I know most of the bugs.

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You (5/7/2002 7:28:26 PM):

I know, all the more reson to let another person have a chance to
be bugs amdin

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:29:05 PM):

what do you mean

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You (5/7/2002 7:29:39 PM):

since you already bugs admin before, its only fair to allow
someone else to be it.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:31:01 PM):

is that how you guys work around here?
Giving people "chances" to work on graal? um shouldn't it be the person
who
would do the most work?
And if that is true, what you just said is true, then Alkaren should never have
come back since he was "already" Police Chief.

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You (5/7/2002 7:32:38 PM):

Hawk.
Let me stop throwing the resons why you're not getting the job
here.

Let me just make it simple for you.

You, are not, I repeat, are not, getting a job on 2k1 unless you
can
make really good graphics/levels/or npcs

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:34:24 PM):

No, that makes no sense because Police chiefs do not have any of those
experiences, either does Soto, so I think that is a stupid rule that you just made
up and are trying to look fancy or some stupid crap

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:35:41 PM):

and may I also mention Vermain.
Oh, can kamuii make good levels/npcs/graphics?

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You (5/7/2002 7:36:08 PM):

No.

Alkaren was hired because he had enough public relations
skills, and had a very very mild temper witch he could control,
not alot of people could take the mounds of stupid pms and
applications.

Soto was hired because all he did before he was bugs admin,
was point out every bug to me on his own free will.

Stop trying to get a job here damm it.
You've tried this 3 times already
the last time you admited to just wanting power
you are
NOT
getting a job here unless its development.

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You (5/7/2002 7:36:42 PM):

Kamuii is co management, he manages with me, not developes

Vermain can do levels and graphics fairly well
and he was hired as a predisesor to ghost pirate.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:38:15 PM):

so you are just discluding me because I cannot do any of those, wow, real
common with you.
OH kamuii manages with you! that changes everything!!
You obviously do not like me, for some odd reason, but fine, then I don't like
you.
You have dug an even bigger hole with me now bird.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:39:55 PM):

oh and it sure is cool how you point out the ****ing past damnit.
I said I wanted power, yes, BUT YOU ARE THE ONE THAT ISPOWER
HAPPY AND TRYING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING AROUND HERE>
you want to be known for something.
Every staff member on this server wants power, except kamuii, but you
especially.

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You (5/7/2002 7:40:05 PM):

I never siad I didn't like you, your putting words in my mouth

I can't handel managing alone, the time that I was alone
withought kamuii the past two weeks, it was a living hell, i
couldn't do anything online, I had to handel alot of the players
pms along with development on the server, and management
of the staff.

I haven't dug a hole deeper with anyone.
You have just "dug a hole" in your ablity to get a job on 2k1.
Bugs admin doesn't need an assitant damm it
and if you keep on asking about it I'm going to disconect you.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:40:15 PM):

and please, for the love of God LEARN HOW TO SPELL

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:41:40 PM):

is that all you say?
"I AM GONIG TO DISCONNECT YOU!!!"
I don't care, how does that affect me? You think you can use your powers
against me when you can't.

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You (5/7/2002 7:42:10 PM):

Hawk, why are you acting like this?
Take a step back and take a look at what you're saying and how
you're thinking here.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:43:31 PM):

hahahahaha...
that's funny BirdBird, it's YOU THAT shouhld be doing that.

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You (5/7/2002 7:45:19 PM):

I'm thinking fine.
I'm taking the right courses of action.

You ask for bugs admin assistant
I think its not a needed job and try to say why you personaly
won't get the job suttly
you persist
I say no over and over
you demand resons for why, and you bring up other people
I respond to those
you get more upset and start to yell agagain just like last time
you asked for a job
and now your mad and acting like a stupid guy.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:46:36 PM):

what the hell?
that's not even how it went..
If you cannot handle people persisting you about things then I guess you
should not be managing this server.
First of all, I asked you those many times because everytime i sent the
message my damn internet would get shut down, so I am wondering why you
keep disconnecting me and being a jerk.

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You (5/7/2002 7:47:55 PM):

I can't disconect your internet!
How would I be able too, do I look that smart to you?

I am handaling someone complaining about wanting to have a
job here, witch is you, and I've told you many times, the answer
is no
NO
NO
N O
EN OH

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:49:33 PM):

wow, please go to a real school that teaches how to talk, really, you need to!
I NEVER SAID YOU DISCONNECTED MY INTERNET, NO YOU DO NOT
LOOK THAT SMART TO ME.
I said you were DISCONNECTING me from graal.
Think about it.

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You (5/7/2002 7:50:19 PM):

quote from you:
First of all, I asked you those many times because everytime i
sent the
message my damn internet would get shut down, so I am
wondering why you
keep disconnecting me and being a jerk.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:51:03 PM):

Yes, MY internet would shut down so I would not be able to get your
messages...
how hard is that to follow.
and then after I come on you would disconnect me from graal. DAMNIT ITS
NOT THAT HARD.
JUST
READ.

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You (5/7/2002 7:52:05 PM):

again here it is:
message my damn internet would get shut down, so I am
wondering why !!you!! keep disconnecting me and being a jerk.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:53:06 PM):

DAMNIT YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
!!YOU!! DISCONNECTING ME FROM GRAAL.

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You (5/7/2002 7:54:25 PM):

OKAY, FOR THE LAST TIME YOU INCOHERANT HAWK:
First of all, I asked you those many times because everytime i
sent the
message my damn internet would get shut
down, so I
am
wondering why you
keep disconnecting me and being a jerk.

YOU SAID
"SO I AM WONDERING WHY YOU KEEP DISCONNECTING
ME AND BEING A JERK"

"SO I AM WONDERING WHY YOU KEEP DISCONCTING
ME"
"SO I AM WONDERING WHY YOU KEEP DISCONCTING
ME"

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Opposite (5/7/2002 7:56:17 PM):

you really should learn how to spell DISCONNECTING.
YES YOU KEEP PASTING STUPID ****, STOP YOU DONT KNOW
WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
"SO I AM WONDERING WHY YOU KEEP !!DISCONNECTING!!(FROM
GRAAL) ME AND BEING A JERK..
follow.
the
sentence
and
you will
UNDERSTAND.


Continuing to another post, since this one is too large.

[Birdbird_0]

post#2:
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You (5/7/2002 7:59:05 PM):

You said disconect as a gernal term, not refering to your internet
or graal

I disconected you from graal a while back, becasue you souldn't
stop asking for a job over and over, and that started to impare my
performance and job on 2k1.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 8:09:20 PM):

you really should learn how to spell DISCONNECTING.
YES YOU KEEP PASTING STUPID ****, STOP YOU DONT KNOW
WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
"SO I AM WONDERING WHY YOU KEEP !!DISCONNECTING!!(FROM
GRAAL) ME AND BEING A JERK..
follow.
the
sentence
and
you will
UNDERSTAND.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 8:12:05 PM):

you remind me of mr bear, except I am friends with him.
all he did in RC chat would say "STOP EVERYONE STEFAN I NEED MORE
POWERS SO I CAN HELP GRAAL BETTER" that is what you do. I am pretty
sure that is why you manage 2k1 and are doing a horrible job.

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You (5/7/2002 8:14:13 PM):

yes, I'm doing such a bad job.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 8:15:03 PM):

well if you cannot handle people pestering you about stuff, then yes, you are
doing a bad job

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You (5/7/2002 8:16:18 PM):

How am I not handaling pestering you,
I'm not yelling, I'm not mad at you

I'm responding to your pms,

but if you want, you can keep testing me.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 8:17:06 PM):

you disconnect people that pester you, that's pathetic, stefan nor anyone else
has done that.
And now, you are whining in RC chat.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 8:17:40 PM):

or pming DarkVillin HAWK WONT STOP PMMMING ME

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You (5/7/2002 8:17:48 PM):

you seriously want to end this with a bam huh?

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Opposite (5/7/2002 8:18:04 PM):

no, when did I ever say that?

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You (5/7/2002 8:19:42 PM):

Have fun with your ban, any last words?

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Opposite (5/7/2002 8:20:00 PM):

why exactly am I banned?

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You (5/7/2002 8:21:02 PM):

for pestering me to death, its agreed with 2/3'ds of rc on that you
should be banned for a little while.

You know why.

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Opposite (5/7/2002 8:21:42 PM):

oh it's agreed.
just because they all worship you they agree. that is pathetic.
Go ahead.

---


Yes I did have a bit of fun in the last pms, because I enjoyed banning him for the short while, this lasted for a good 30 mintues, it was hard to work on the new gsf arena and trying to keep this conversation going right.

I look forward to many other complains from you Gameo.


This is the third time hawk attemted to be staff on 2k1 withought any real validation for it.

[Birdbird_0]

The reson I was on rc rather than working online, was because I was working on some serverside scripting on the arena, my names were dnd durring this whole conversation.
I'm only dnd when I'm working on something.
And yes, I did lose my temper with hawk, I shouldn't of done that, and I do appologize.
But most of the incorrect spellings I made were just from me not paying attention to my typing.

Can't wait to see how this thread turns out, most of the threads made about me end up in a big posting rage from both sides.

And now that Gameo is back, I can't wait to be spit in the face by him.

[Kaimetsu]

I wouldn't give Hawk a bugs job on G2K1 because:

1) I don't trust him because of all the stuff he's done before. He seems okay now, but I wouldn't want to take the risk.
2) Bugs admin on a server isn't about knowing Graal's bugs. It's about finding/reporting bugs in the server's NPCs.

And please, please, fire Soto. He's completely useless.

[Birdbird_0]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
I wouldn't give Hawk a bugs job on G2K1 because:

1) I don't trust him because of all the stuff he's done before. He seems okay now, but I wouldn't want to take the risk.
2) Bugs admin on a server isn't about knowing Graal's bugs. It's about finding/reporting bugs in the server's NPCs.

And please, please, fire Soto. He's completely useless.

After seeing his performance today, I'm telling kamuii what I think, and than we go from there.

[Ghost Pirate]

When I was Kingdoms Admin he kept trying to be my assistant all the time if I'm thinking correctly