Graal as we know it

[Birdbird_0]

Originally posted by cds96
I think a lot of people do have a lot of respect for you, mainly because you do work hard.

Maybe i have broken a few rules, maybe more than a few, ive never denied it, but you learn from your experiencs and want to advise other people on them. But how can you when as soon as you **** up once hell youre only human not many admin or staff really give a toss about what you have to say. Really thats all i ahve to say, make graal a more player based environment where we get a say in what you do to our game. Because really without the players the game wouldnt be much fun.

Well my former Ebil kitty person there of.

I have had experance of being currupt, and its just brought me bad things, so I stoped a long time ago. I've said this before, to be a good administrator or a nice person to people, you have to hear their complaints out to their fullest, listen to them, and most importanly realize that they are a real and flesy and fatty as you are, and they need the same respect as you give to anyone else.

Than after that you deal with their problem how ever you can. And as for the local administrators on 2k1, if you guys have a serious problem pm me or Loriel, we can Handel it the best. As for Global jobs, pm some of the higher admins to talk about the situation and than bring it to a conclusion.

The only hard thing I see for me in administrating is, not letting the mean people get to me, keeping my cool, and just having the time for it, therefor My forte on graal is not administration.

But, it also gets hard when you have people pmming you trying to say "hi, sup, y0, WAZUP" I know it means no harm, so I say hi in return or ignore it because I'm usaly working on somehthing, but than they go one step higher say I hate them just because I won't respond.... now those people I just have to explain that I am not toaly here and such and such, but it still gets anoying, but hey, have you ever seen me explode at anyone?.... in public L_L

I've yelled at a cupple administrators before, made a cupple want to quit, and I felt bad for that, but anyway, it gets upsetting when the people don't do their part as well, by reading the rules, being pasient (gah I can't spell) and being nice to the staff, its not a requirment, but it makes the experance and the staff a bit nicer and a bit more happy.

Though.. I can't stand people who demand stuff from me, "CHECK UR E-MAIL I SENTZ MAIL AND HAT IN IT AND LEVL APP HIRE ME NOW AND GIVE ME RC"

=\ when I say please mail it to [email protected] its a suttle gesture of saying, I am bussy right now,and I'll check it when I can. =\ and I end up cheking it about 2-5 days later, so, thats one thing I can't stand, people demanding things from me and for me to check or do this or that just because they said so, I usualy just say "No, I will do it when I do it"

but I get too many AIM messages of people trying to be nice, saying hi and such, but it gets overwhelming with 18 aim windows open at once x-x, than the one in 10 people who always ask "HEY can you do this for me?" =\ people these day, no sense of common sense or courtosy.

Rawr, but you don't see me Complaining ^_~

[omni-m00gle]

hey bird, whend you stop being corrupt ?

[Sym2001]

You are exactly right man.

You do have to understand that people are busy, or have a life. But it is always good to keep your cool about it and not spazz on someone.

James205, I asked him if he could fix a RC on Andor. And he said later. So I asked him an hour after and he said that he isnt doing anything graal related at the time. So I asked him the next day, and he just freaked on me. He then blocked me.

Now that isnt right, he is a Account Administrator, he should atleast be there to do something when he can. You can always put something aside and fix what ever needs to be fixed. How long does it take to get on RC, and edit a Account? no more then 5 minutes of your spare time. If you cant do something like that, then why have the job? its useless when someone else can do that job 10x better and more effeciant.

[Sym2001]

If you guys need any staff, or even a task to be completed. Let me know man, you can PM me anytime or email me.

Im willing to help Graal Improve. Online gaming is one of my favorite things to do on my computer. And I have been playing graal long enough to understand how it all works.

Please note im not bagging for a job, just providing help if you guys ever need it.

[Birdbird_0]

Originally posted by Torankusu
The 'Admins/chiefs' were supposed to get one, but I don't see a need for one.

Reese does NOT need RC at all.

You need one more than Reese in my opinyon.

hey bird, whend you stop being corrupt ?

If I brutaly kill you now, I remberse you with 100 gralat, and I don't do anything too currupt but warp around because I get so many pms and I don't play g2k1 any more, rather just making stuff for it.
wrareas.z

[Birdbird_0]

Originally posted by Sym2001
You are exactly right man.

You do have to understand that people are busy, or have a life. But it is always good to keep your cool about it and not spazz on someone.

James205, I asked him if he could fix a RC on Andor. And he said later. So I asked him an hour after and he said that he isnt doing anything graal related at the time. So I asked him the next day, and he just freaked on me. He then blocked me.

Now that isnt right, he is a Account Administrator, he should atleast be there to do something when he can. You can always put something aside and fix what ever needs to be fixed. How long does it take to get on RC, and edit a Account? no more then 5 minutes of your spare time. If you cant do something like that, then why have the job? its useless when someone else can do that job 10x better and more effeciant.

They don't need to be on the job 24/7 though, if they have aim its mainly for personal use.

Heck, I have lots of things going on and sometimes I can't throw everything down to explain what I am doing to go help that person, the player needs to do their part as well.

[Sym2001]

Im just saying though, if its a easy task, why not just do it while you can.

That is what I would do. You can go ask anyone on Andor, when I was working there, I answerd all my PM's. Even If I was busy scripting, or away and I heard the AIM newmessage noise, then I would run over and check it. Im just saying, its not hard to do that. Atleast you can tell the person that you will do it later, and make a mark of it, write it down or something. I usually just make a Txt file on my desktop.

[cds96]

Originally posted by Birdbird_0


Well my former Ebil kitty person there of.

I have had experance of being currupt, and its just brought me bad things, so I stoped a long time ago. I've said this before, to be a good administrator or a nice person to people, you have to hear their complaints out to their fullest, listen to them, and most importanly realize that they are a real and flesy and fatty as you are, and they need the same respect as you give to anyone else.

-snip-

Im nice enough, but i dont expect anything else now, ive ****ed up too many times and most people just arent bothered anymore. oh well, cest la vie

[Sym2001]

This thread should pretty much end now, I made my point, others posted what they think. And Stefan seen it. That was the main purpose. I will most likely have this thread deleted tomorrow. Let some of the other poeple post what they think.

Again, lets just hope this gets fixed. It will make the experiance alot better for us, and even new players. Lets just hope that graal is effective, and stays running. So far, from what I have seen graal do, 3 years from now it will be very different, and alot better. Stefan, personaly is doing a great job. Just needs to do some staff fixin ;P

Thank you to those who posted, and thank you Stefan for posting aswell as the other Graalonline Staff.

[cds96]

No way, this thread is getting quite intresting.

[Sym2001]

So it should stay going? atleast reduce some of the posts. That way its not so large.

This is a good thread I would say. Displays great informations

[AlkarenHyralt]

An old saying is "You can't please everyone". And sadley this rings true...no matter how hard you try, it's just impossible. Everyone views every situation differently. Diffrence of opinion; that's what makes the world go 'round. Hiring only only 18+ people is silly as well. First off, your being sterotypical, as I know kids younger then most adults who are far more intelligent then most adults I have met. Second you only believe maturity comes with age; not true as well. I've seen 8 year olds act more maturely than almost any kid in my school. About mkainging someone take some sort of test: stupid as well. A lot of people don't do good on tests.

Also, you ask that you be allowed to help out, if I read correctly, simply because you have been playing this game for a long time. Well, I have a small news flash for you... Contrary to "popular" beliefe...length of time here means nothing.

[Sym2001]

Ok, most of the things you have said are true, but aswell dont help in anyway.

For 1, hiring ppl that are 18+ is a good idea for the fact that they are older, and have more experiance than a younger person. You are right about maturity.. but how will that fix Graal when the poeple that are young are not mature? If they can find someone who is mature that is like 12, then that is great. But they have not. So how will that fix anything?

[Sym2001]

You can please everyone if you put the time into it. If every administrator was more polite, and helpful it would make a big difference.

[AlkarenHyralt]

Originally posted by Sym2001
Ok, most of the things you have said are true, but aswell dont help in anyway.

For 1, hiring ppl that are 18+ is a good idea for the fact that they are older, and have more experiance than a younger person. You are right about maturity.. but how will that fix Graal when the poeple that are young are not mature? If they can find someone who is mature that is like 12, then that is great. But they have not. So how will that fix anything?

Age does not really impley experience either. Plus you really don't get training in online game managment -- that's something you learn.

[Sym2001]

So Graal needs poeple that have more experiance, as in poeple that have been playing graal, or other online games for a quite some time. Therefore what you said about poeple that have played the game along time, is wrong. But, Graal needs poeple that have been not playing a long time, but more poeple that have been doing Development for a long time. Such as Playerworld Past Owners, or just even poeple that can script to a certain standard. It is quite simple, but a hard task to overcome.

[Wing]

Originally posted by Sym2001
Hes Microsoft Certified

is that supposed to make us think it will be BETTER programmed?

[Sym2001]

Well in a sence yes.

Im not sure what the outcome will be on it, but im sure it should be ok.

[AlkarenHyralt]

Originally posted by Sym2001
Well in a sence yes.

Im not sure what the outcome will be on it, but im sure it should be ok.

Hi, I've proven before in the past I am smarter then alot of MSCE people. A certificate is nothing but a sheet of paper, and maybe proof of something. It doesn't mean you are more intelligent, or better qualified than someone else.

[Sym2001]

My boss said the same thing. He said barely anyone with that degree can do anything. He said only the goods remember all the classes, and subjects they where taught. Hes good though, trust me.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Birdbird_0
*is glad Birdbird_0 mainly develops and manages development rather than Administrate very often*

I can administrate on 2k1, and I do when the players need something, and If I can't help them than I redirect them to someone who can.

Now the thing I'm confused at is this:
What have the staff done so wrong that makes them bad, please tell so we can actualy work on it

Most of the positions are not going to be handed out to random people that say they can handel the positions, the people in those positions handel alot of adinistraton that deal with accounts that people paied for.

Are you guys just complaining because you broke one of the rules here?

Tell us directly whats wrong so we can improve or fix it.

If Staff were to be as you wanted it to be, there would be an application such as going to work for a job, but unlike any other job, this job requires you to learn how to do things on this game that no one teaches, its hard to find anyone with the requirments needed that are over 18 and willing to work on this game. Heck, most teens get jobs at 15 and older for more money, and that takes a certain amount of responsiblity, three years of birth date does not mean much.

Than the whole thing of gettting paied for the job.

(how does that work, you live in the USA but work for a componey in france...wts how you get paied!?)

Okay, I'll tell you. I'll probably get fired but here goes:

Loriel is a jackass who hates me. I am sick of him, and I am sick of graal all together.

I asked him to change my account password one time (I was on the account) and he says that he can't. The next day, he's changed some passwords for people, so I ask him them (e-mails, passwords, they both take the same right). He, of course, says no. I am sick of his stupid grudges and him. I don't think there is ANYTHING you can do, or at least him using some sense.


One of the things he did do was transfer things, but he ended up reseting the wrong account. He fixed it though. That still doesn't make up for any of the wrong things he's done.

[Sym2001]

That is lame.

I think that is one of the big problems with graal to. Grudges.

Just because you dont like someone doesnt mean you should help them a bit.

[Vincent_TK]

Originally posted by Neglegence2002

im feelin ya man, but i think some *****s should be fired like poison casue he rejects guild for NO reason, he sends the rejection e-mail and then dont tel you why he did it...

poison? Please get his name right before you even try to complain about him. Poizon is doing a good job, he said he was going to check guilds weekly and he did. Just because yours was rejected doesnt mean you have to start crying.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

I think another problem is we have too many admins doing too many things. We see people doing level making and scripting at the same time, as well as GFX on the side and administrating. Well, how the hell do you want good quality work if you got the same guys/girls balancing 4 different jobs? You can't! You need to give each person one MAIN objective, and they do that. Sure, they can help out with other things on the side but they must focus on their ONE main goal.

[Sym2001]

Originally posted by Vincent_TK


poison? Please get his name right before you even try to complain about him. Poizon is doing a good job, he said he was going to check guilds weekly and he did. Just because yours was rejected doesnt mean you have to start crying.

Vincent, every post I have ever seen you make is worthless. Do you even know what your talking about?

[Tyhm]

Lumberjacks in igloos? wts?

One of these days Galen and I gotta sit down and write out unbreakable charters for all staffers, including the GMs, detailing how to hire, how to fire, and how to get yourself fired. That should help a bit.

I notice nobody thinks I'm good or bad. Oh well, maybe I don't exist. ^_~

I have also noticed that since the charter, the LAT "curruption" seems to be limited to that we don't check the level submitter that doesn't work, which shouldn't be much of a surprise.

O, and Poizon won't put up your guild because his tools have been broken ever since he got the job. Unixmad says he'll fix it, but the guy's trying to manage a game with a gazillion dollar monthly debt and practically no income, he's got no time...I tried to get him to set up Bhala to do it, since he says he can, but it never happened. =_=

[yoshee15]

as of yet I dunno what billions of Graal Pms is like...i just get lotsa IMs of people asking for help and tasks, like birdbird said have some curtousy.