Water Extension - Page 2

ZanderX · #41 10-22-2001, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by Jerom

Usually when somebody is at war, they FIGHT!!!!!!!
But nooo, Dustari just sits back in their bubble and does nothing...

Well, Jerom! I guess considering that I've sent my men out to fight Curon numerous times...I guess I haven't fought, eh? Tell me, Jerom. In the middle ages, when a Lord was at war with another Lord, did he leave his castle open for people to waltz in and have a look around?

Antago: The water extension is still an idea, I haven't even fully supported it yet. I'm not much in favor of a navy, as my resources and management are strained already.

Jerom · #42 10-22-2001, 01:55 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

Well, Jerom! I guess considering that I've sent my men out to fight Curon numerous times...I guess I haven't fought, eh? Tell me, Jerom. In the middle ages, when a Lord was at war with another Lord, did he leave his castle open for people to waltz in and have a look around?

I haven't seen a Dustari member fight within the last week, but then again, I've been floating in Bomber River answering PMs.

The lord would send scouts, spies, bountymen, etc. And besides, the castle wouldn't be open, the kingdom would be

Sjc2k1 · #43 10-22-2001, 01:58 AM

and if zormite is going to have a navy you are going to have to make a chanal that runs from zormite terriory to the open sea, since ships cannot travel up water falls .

ZanderX · #44 10-22-2001, 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by Jerom

I haven't seen a Dustari member fight within the last week, but then again, I've been floating in Bomber River answering PMs.

The lord would send scouts, spies, bountymen, etc. And besides, the castle wouldn't be open, the kingdom would be

Dustari is more of a fortress then your traditional Castle with towns and farmland, thus the closing of the gate. Dustari is essentially a big Castle.

Antago · #45 10-22-2001, 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX
....Antago: The water extension is still an idea, I haven't even fully supported it yet. I'm not much in favor of a navy, as my resources and management are strained already.

Antora is a continental border. I spoke with Stefan yesterday about this stuff (well, I can't tell you anything.. really.. I have to keep some stuff secret or Unixmad might beat me with a fax machine) and he realizes that continents are just borders owned by explorers.

However, you tend to refuse Antora growing and you actually are even trying to refuse Bomboria's land... NOW after you refused just organization continental borders (Antora and Bomboria are empires; yes. But as empires, the kingdoms in them control the activity as if they were states that are part of a union controled by an empirical gov't.), now you apparently think you can go and expand onto the unclaimed territory (the seas -- seas are unclaimed because they are just water. They are used for quick routes and anarchies).

The anarchist pirates who live in the seas should ultimately bombard your ports and kidnap your children!

ZanderX · #46 10-22-2001, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by Antago

Antora is a continental border. I spoke with Stefan yesterday about this stuff (well, I can't tell you anything.. really.. I have to keep some stuff secret or Unixmad might beat me with a fax machine) and he realizes that continents are just borders owned by explorers.

However, you tend to refuse Antora growing and you actually are even trying to refuse Bomboria's land... NOW after you refused just organization continental borders (Antora and Bomboria are empires; yes. But as empires, the kingdoms in them control the activity as if they were states that are part of a union controled by an empirical gov't.), now you apparently think you can go and expand onto the unclaimed territory (the seas -- seas are unclaimed because they are just water. They are used for quick routes and anarchies).

The anarchist pirates who live in the seas should ultimately bombard your ports and kidnap your children!

I've always been bold, and an unconformist.

Not to mention I've always had problems with the Pirates...Ghost Pirate wants my soul.

Sjc2k1 · #47 10-22-2001, 02:03 AM

antago where do zormites fit into all of this

LilNiglet · #48 10-22-2001, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by Antago
Dustari refuses to allow a 42 unit extension to Antora which won't harm anything, however, Dustari now apparently thinks it can just steal a massive sea territory from the pirates and water travel?

I think not!

Dustari will not give anything away, however, when someone asks for something, Dustari finds it a good time to just go out and try to expand itself.

Empires are really just territorial borders.. Kingdoms are actual owned and privated lands for civilizations.
You are trying to expand on other kingdom's land!

*stab*

We do not wish to "claim" the land, we simply want a wxpansion so we can move our ships around.

Antago · #49 10-22-2001, 02:07 AM

Zormites are part of the Antora empire. Of course that really means nothing at all since continents are just massive borders.. however, the kingdoms in them are under the control of the government and they "must" use the currency of the empire to buy things in them.

However, the neat part about the government is that the government leaders are the people (like a democracy).
Curon was supposedly part of Antora.. I'm not sure what its status is anymore.

However, since the Zormites and the lost town of Bogenera are the only current known Antorite kingdoms, the government (when and if it is formed) will be "controlled" by the Zormites and Bogeneras.

Jerom · #50 10-22-2001, 02:08 AM

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Originally posted by Antago
Zormites are part of the Antora empire. Of course that really means nothing at all since continents are just massive borders.. however, the kingdoms in them are under the control of the government and they "must" use the currency of the empire to buy things in them.

However, the neat part about the government is that the government leaders are the people (like a democracy).
Curon was supposedly part of Antora.. I'm not sure what its status is anymore.

However, since the Zormites and the lost town of Bogenera are the only current known Antorite kingdoms, the government (when and if it is formed) will be "controlled" by the Zormites and Bogeneras.

*has a spasm*
SOMEBODY DECLARE WAR ALREADY!@@@!

Sjc2k1 · #51 10-22-2001, 02:11 AM

so will this mean that zormite will supply troops to the antorites when war comes and will this mean all the exsiting anliances will no longer take effect if each party is in a different empire

Antago · #52 10-22-2001, 02:14 AM

Antora already did declare war on Bomboria.

Everyone went inactive and the kingdoms are actually scattering..

It's hard to say if the Zormites are even part of Antora anymore. Almost every kingdom is moving its place in the lands or failing in power.

The Goths once destroyed a wonder of the world... let's hope that no kingdom ever opposes Zalactic.. Zalactic is a mysterious organization that could one day become a powerful and advanced Kingdom like the real-world's Atlantis.

Bogenera is the first kingdom to ever exist... however, it is more of a civilization than a kingdom. It's hard to say if it will ever fight.

I am part of Bogenera. I just hope no one excavates the Bogenera lands *pant*.

Antago · #53 10-22-2001, 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by Sjc2k1
so will this mean that zormite will supply troops to the antorites when war comes and will this mean all the exsiting anliances will no longer take effect if each party is in a different empire

Uhm... the Zormites have always been mysterious. If they wish to fight, it's their own choice.

I'm not sure how any of the kingdoms work except Bogenera.

To understand a kingdom and its people, you must be a part of the kingdom.. and the only kingdom I know is Bogenera.

However, the Antora empire does not have morals and people to it. Antora is not composed of people. It is composed of a ruling system and land.

However, to control the system and the land you need kingdoms with people.

I don't even know who belongs to the Zormites... however, ANY of the Zormites could one day rule the Antora government (or "ruling system").

Sjc2k1 · #54 10-22-2001, 02:20 AM

zormite are mysterious and have a small but effective fighting force and i hope someday that antorites get the extension and peace is restored to graal

Antago · #55 10-22-2001, 02:31 AM

The way empires and governments work is very complicated.

I could explain if you want me to, but you'll be confused..

Oh well, here it goes:

I explained what empires and kingdoms are.. Now I must explain how they work.

Empires are continents. Picture Graal like Asia and Europe. They're connected, but divided into two continents.
One is Antora and the other is Bomboria (I'm ignoring Santerrain. The Samurai are being extremely difficult when it comes to this.. so I'm totaly ignoring their existence in role-playing).

Antora and Bomboria are two massive lands. The lands are visually divided into 56x56 squares on the map.

In each empire (or continent), the land must be owned.

For example:

Antora is composed of Bogenera and the Zormites as kingdoms.
The rest of the land is unclaimed and will just be called Antorite land (ie. the apendage, the mountain, zalactic levels, etc).

Antora is really just a visual seperation from Bomboria.
In this seperation, the lands are controled by the Antora government.
The people who run the government are the people of the Antora lands (it could be someone from Bogenera, Zormites, the mountains, zalactic, apendage, whatever.. just as long as they belong to some land within the Antora border).

So, if Antora declares war on some other kingdom or on Bomboria in its entirety, it is really the "people" of Antora who are at war -- not the land itself.

ie. If the US declares war on Japan, it's really the people who declare war.
And, as we all know, the people who make up the US government are really just people who live in the country that were elected to their position.

I think you understand it...

psihunter · #56 10-22-2001, 02:40 AM

Zormite souls give Ghost Pirate very tastey power surges!

(I wish I was really capable of stealing peoples souls

)

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #57 10-22-2001, 02:43 AM

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Originally posted by Antago
<Insert numerous amounts of message about empires and such here>

You know, it would be 500 times better if you actually came online and did some of this. If you don't, then your just another person who talks on and on about how things COULD be, and not what they are

Antago · #58 10-22-2001, 02:46 AM

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Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_

You know, it would be 500 times better if you actually came online and did some of this. If you don't, then your just another person who talks on and on about how things COULD be, and not what they are

I think we all know this is not true.
And by coming online, that does not make creation any more drastic.

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #59 10-22-2001, 02:50 AM

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Originally posted by Antago

I think we all know this is not true.
And by coming online, that does not make creation any more drastic.

Look at what happned when you created the Antorite rebellion, look at the forums, look at the players, look at all the RP'ing. If you came online now, it's just a distant memory. Face it, your a leader

Metal-Slug · #60 10-22-2001, 02:51 AM

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Originally posted by psihunter

hehe I was thinking about bombing the port right when it opens

Nobody sails the seas unless in fear of Pirates >=)

HAHAHAHAHAHA NOT PIR

Metal-Slug · #61 10-22-2001, 02:52 AM

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Originally posted by Antago

I think we all know this is not true.
And by coming online, that does not make creation any more drastic.

hahaha, no, i think you shuold be online more often, i mean, its wierd how you plan to dictate graal and you are never on...

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #62 10-22-2001, 02:53 AM

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Originally posted by Metal-Slug

hahaha, no, i think you shuold be online more often, i mean, its wierd how you plan to dictate graal and you are never on...

YES EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING!

Metal-Slug · #63 10-22-2001, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_

YES EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING!

feivel · #64 10-22-2001, 05:37 AM

ABout what htink Jerom said about it doesnt soud right for Samurai to have a navy,
it is a litte akward considering although they were warriors,
all they really did was fight eachother,
and the mongols,
althogh Graal isnt historically correct anyway,
Samurai could have a navy,
which i suggested to lyndzeey,
and she said "hmmm"

Jerom · #65 10-22-2001, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by feivel
ABout what htink Jerom said about it doesnt soud right for Samurai to have a navy,
it is a litte akward considering although they were warriors,
all they really did was fight eachother,
and the mongols,
althogh Graal isnt historically correct anyway,
Samurai could have a navy,
which i suggested to lyndzeey,
and she said "hmmm"

Solution:
If the Samurai can build a boat out of goldfish bones, and paper, then I will give them a thumbs up on a navy.

feivel · #66 10-22-2001, 05:46 AM

The samurai did hsave boats,
they had ports and used boats as transport and commerce,
they didnt have a navy because they didnt NEED one

Antago · #67 10-22-2001, 05:58 AM

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Originally posted by Metal-Slug

hahaha, no, i think you shuold be online more often, i mean, its wierd how you plan to dictate graal and you are never on...

Lol. I don't plan to dictate Graal.

I'm leaving.
I'm not going to stick around for "wisdom turtles" who get pizza all over their face and act as if they're some kind of God.

I'm too smart to sit here and waste away in stupidity trying to convince people to like me.
I don't care if they don't.
If they do, great! At least they can realize my stubborn and pissy attitude is a result of, "Who gives a ****?" and Tyhm's "social rebellion"... which reuined a lot of the interactive kindness.

TrueHeaT on the other hand does whatever he wants without messages and not many people care.

Then there's extremely lame ass people who say the dumbest stuff... and they're what, 11?

Bleh
I refuse to have my messages and threads deleted and altered by a jerk who has no respect for friends. I also refuse to listen to 11 year olds tell me how stupid I am and how much I suck.

I'll speak freely.

Power to the people!

Hehe. I just had to say that

bye!

(and remember! I never said I was back in Graal! So don't call me unreliable!)

psihunter · #68 10-22-2001, 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by Antago

Lol. I don't plan to dictate Graal.

I'm leaving.
I'm not going to stick around for "wisdom turtles" who get pizza all over their face and act as if they're some kind of God.

I'm too smart to sit here and waste away in stupidity trying to convince people to like me.
I don't care if they don't.
If they do, great! At least they can realize my stubborn and pissy attitude is a result of, "Who gives a ****?" and Tyhm's "social rebellion"... which reuined a lot of the interactive kindness.

TrueHeaT on the other hand does whatever he wants without messages and not many people care.

Then there's extremely lame ass people who say the dumbest stuff... and they're what, 11?

Bleh
I refuse to have my messages and threads deleted and altered by a jerk who has no respect for friends. I also refuse to listen to 11 year olds tell me how stupid I am and how much I suck.

I'll speak freely.

Power to the people! Hehe. I just had to say that

bye!

(and remember! I never said I was back in Graal! So don't call me unreliable!)

You are cool

Personally I believe some people don't like change and sit there wasting away in boredom....

I believe that a huge percent of Graalians are utter idiots

Jerom · #69 10-22-2001, 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by psihunter
I believe that a huge percent of Graalians are utter idiots

WEFRR($#@U(#@URF#EWND#@E!!!
THEY'RE MORE THAN UTTER IDIOTS!!

thotijn · #70 10-22-2001, 06:08 AM

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Originally posted by psihunter

I believe that a huge percent of Graalians are utter idiots

very true...:o

ZanderX · #71 10-22-2001, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by thotijn

very true...:o

You like the :o face, don't you?

By the way, what's the new image in your sig?

thotijn · #72 10-22-2001, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

You like the :o face, don't you?

By the way, what's the new image in your sig?

yes, its my favourite smile

and i made the new image, with some new program what my father has downloaded..called ''Crystal 3D IMPACT! pro''.