Sad. - Page 3

shayden · #81 08-30-2001, 08:34 PM

Well, as much as i'd like to stay and finish bashing australia, I have to go to cross country practice, because I do other things besides play graal. Good luck to Shadrock convincing SK to not commit suicide and I hope australia gets nuked while I'm away.

Kaimetsu · #82 08-30-2001, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by FatherDante
Kaimetsu, I said nothing religious. Don't marginalize me like that.

Was I responding to you? I didn't think so, but I can't remember.

[quote][b]What is untrue about suicide being a permanent solution to a temporary problem?

Nothing. I didn't dispute that part.

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If I had a right to kill myself just because I thought my life wasn't worth it, you wouldn't know who I am, because I would have killed myself any time I had a bout of manic-depression.

Okay, that might be true.

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Suicide is against the law, and you cannot argue that that isn't true. But if you have no respect for the fact that suicide is selfish, than what can I say to convince?

Perhaps even the slightest reasoning for why it is selfish?

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Keep in mind I've said nothing religious. Also, let me point out that funeral costs are an expensive burden to place on your loved ones. Also let me point out that psychological help can be very expensive and those with suicides in the family are much more likely than other people to need long term counseling. Also let me point out that suicide invalidates life insurance. It can also cause a loss of property due to less lenient death taxes.

Okay, those are fair points. Is it then okay if the person works for a few weeks to raise all the cash, and then kills themselves?

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There are plenty of completely logical reasons why suicide is simply selfish. There are plenty of considerations of emotional and compassionate needs that make suicide selfish. And if all that is negated just because anybody thinks they have a right to kill themselves, than pardon my ill logic!

"Thinks"? A person has a right to do whatever they want with their life. That's a fundamental principle to life. Sure, it might cause heartache to their families, but to stay would cause heartbreak to the suicidee too. If a person would suffer more pain by living than he would cause to others by dying, then how is it selfish?

Kaimetsu · #83 08-30-2001, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by shayden
You're contradicting yourself, You don't believe in god so therefore you can't play god because he doesn't exist.

To play God is to play a role. I could play Romeo in a play, but I don't think Romeo exists.

inaspatz · #84 08-30-2001, 08:40 PM

To play God is to play a role. I could play Romeo in a play, but I don't think Romeo exists.
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You must play a role now - nobody could think so!!!

TheFox1 · #85 08-30-2001, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by shayden
Well, as much as i'd like to stay and finish bashing australia, I have to go my dad wants me in his room for a early morning ****, because I do love him when he ****s me up the ass. Good luck to Shadrock telling SK to commit suicide and I hope my dad blows all over my face.

you are a very sick boy, you need treatment

View GraalOnline Profile · #86 08-30-2001, 08:42 PM

this sucks, let the man suicide if he wants to..its his choise so let him do it...
thats option 1
option 2:

Go find friends and get good marks at school, go out sometime and have fun...quit graal and buy some new clothes. After all this you'll feel much better!

Kaimetsu · #87 08-30-2001, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by inaspatz
To play God is to play a role. I could play Romeo in a play, but I don't think Romeo exists.
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You must play a role now - nobody could think so!!!

What a curiously eloquent statement. But why does it trouble you that I think this way?

inaspatz · #88 08-30-2001, 08:54 PM

cause I can't understand you. there is somebody who say he is going to commit suicide and you say Ok then die!?!?
He say it cause he need help, talking to him can helping too.

I will ask you again: Would you think so too if your best friend say something like this?

Kaimetsu · #89 08-30-2001, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by inaspatz
cause I can't understand you. there is somebody who say he is going to commit suicide and you say Ok then die!?!?
He say it cause he need help, talking to him can helping too.

Why would he need help? Suicide isn't such a difficult thing to achieve. You're all missing one thing: He wants to die. You may think it's a bad idea, but you're not living his life. Let him decide for himself.

TheFox1 · #90 08-30-2001, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by inaspatz
cause I can't understand you. there is somebody who say he is going to commit suicide and you say Ok then die!?!?
He say it cause he need help, talking to him can helping too.

I will ask you again: Would you think so too if your best friend say something like this?

If my best friend said he was going to commit suicide i would smack him out, then i would bring him to a shrink so he would get help

inaspatz · #91 08-30-2001, 09:00 PM

You're all missing one thing: He wants to die. You may think it's a bad idea, but you're not living his life.

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You haven't understand one thing: That he say that he want to die doesn't mean that he just do it. First it is a cry for help!!!!!

Kaimetsu · #92 08-30-2001, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by inaspatz
You're all missing one thing: He wants to die. You may think it's a bad idea, but you're not living his life.

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You haven't understand one thing: That he say that he want to die doesn't mean that he just do it. First it is a cry for help!!!!!

Oh, if he doesn't really want to die then fair enough. Help him if you so wish. I thought he actually wanted to die.

inaspatz · #93 08-30-2001, 09:11 PM

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you don't understand anything. . .

Kaimetsu · #94 08-30-2001, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by inaspatz
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you don't understand anything. . .

Don't say such things so easily. Just because somebody thinks differently to you does not mean that they're inherently wrong. Perhaps they've advanced to a level of thinking that you haven't?

Lycia · #95 08-30-2001, 09:21 PM

I feel that I should say something here since I tried suicide myself a little over 2 years ago.

I am very glad the drugs I ingested made me fall asleep before I could complete the procedure. I'm also glad that my friend told me to go to sleep and to sleep it off before I ingested anymore.

I am so grateful for the chance to still be here. I think my mom and brother would've gone insane right now if they had lost both me and my father within a 2 year period. See, saving someones life isn't selfish by any means. What's selfish is the thoughts of the person who wants to commit suicide. They aren't thinking about what might happen to other people as a result of their suicide. Someone ELSE may commit suicide because the person that committed suicide did it. You have to look at it from both sides of the coin. You can't just say that the person attempting to save a persons life from it is selfish and thats the bottom line, no. You must look at it from both sides of the fence. Maybe the person committing suicide is doing it to get back at someone for the emotional torture they put them through. That, in itself, is selfish. You can't only look at it from one angle, Kaimetsu. That's pretty biased, and narrow minded.

Suicide is INDEED a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

God doens't give us obstacles we can't overcome. We can overcome everything. It just takes personal strength and determination to get over that hill.

Jack, I respect you and all, but please, don't make fun of someone because of their religion. That is very uncool. Don't do it again.

Fai · #96 08-30-2001, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by Lycia
Jack, I respect you and all,

You must not have seen the picture he posted then..

Lycia · #97 08-30-2001, 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by Fai

You must not have seen the picture he posted then..

The actions that someone portrays and the personality they possess are worlds apart.

I don't care what picture he posted. He did it to get a reaction, and thats exactly what you're providing for him.

inaspatz · #98 08-30-2001, 09:29 PM

It isn't only my thinking!!! You can ask a psychologist they would told you that it was a cry for help. . . first. . .

I say this cause I have Experiences with something like this

Kaimetsu · #99 08-30-2001, 09:36 PM

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Originally posted by Lycia
I feel that I should say something here since I tried suicide myself a little over 2 years ago.

I am very glad the drugs I ingested made me fall asleep before I could complete the procedure. I'm also glad that my friend told me to go to sleep and to sleep it off before I ingested anymore.

I am so grateful for the chance to still be here.

But you're not the Lycia who did all that so many years ago. You're glad it didn't happen, but that's not taking into account the feelings of Lycia-2years.

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I think my mom and brother would've gone insane right now if they had lost both me and my father within a 2 year period. See, saving someones life isn't selfish by any means. What's selfish is the thoughts of the person who wants to commit suicide. They aren't thinking about what might happen to other people as a result of their suicide. Someone ELSE may commit suicide because the person that committed suicide did it. You have to look at it from both sides of the coin. You can't just say that the person attempting to save a persons life from it is selfish and thats the bottom line, no. You must look at it from both sides of the fence. Maybe the person committing suicide is doing it to get back at someone for the emotional torture they put them through. That, in itself, is selfish. You can't only look at it from one angle, Kaimetsu. That's pretty biased, and narrow minded.

It's a fair point, but who gave those people the right to attach such importance to your life? Let's say somebody came to me and said "Hey Kai, I'm gonna kill myself if you ever eat bread again." Would they have the right to do that? To demand that I rid my diet of all yeasty baked sustenance? I don't think so. Same applies to family - if they grow attached to you then they are simultaneously accepting the potential consequences.

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Suicide is INDEED a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

I agree entirely.

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God doens't give us obstacles we can't overcome. We can overcome everything. It just takes personal strength and determination to get over that hill.

I disagree. There are obstacles that are insurmountable.

Kaimetsu · #**100** 08-30-2001, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by inaspatz
It isn't only my thinking!!! You can ask a psychologist they would told you that it was a cry for help. . . first. . .

I say this cause I have Experiences with something like this

If it's a cry for help then I don't much care. I thought we were talking about people who actually wanted to kill themselves.

Kaimetsu · #**101** 08-30-2001, 09:52 PM

Let me clarify. I don't believe that suicide is logical. But then I don't believe that not committing suicide is logical. Neither is better than the other: humans aren't capable of pure logic. I'm not and you're not and I very much doubt anybody is. But if one approach is illogical, and the other is equally so, then why steer a person towards either?

Evolve · #**102** 08-30-2001, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by RawPower
Some of you don't know who Shadow Knight is but I recently had a very terrible conversation with him and he tells me that he is going to commit suicide. I would like you all to pray for him and hope he is just lying. From what he told me his life wasn't too good I tried to talk him out of it but he seems to not listen.

Please pray

most people attempt suicide to get people to notice them, i take it he needs attention... so erm....give him some

CyanideSR71 · #**103** 08-30-2001, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Let me clarify. I don't believe that suicide is logical. But then I don't believe that not committing suicide is logical. Neither is better than the other: humans aren't capable of pure logic. I'm not and you're not and I very much doubt anybody is. But if one approach is illogical, and the other is equally so, then why steer a person towards either?

huh? =P

Kaimetsu · #**104** 08-30-2001, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by CyanideSR71

huh? =P

Am I expected to form a response to this?

Huggles · #**105** 08-30-2001, 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by TheFox1
his doing a Twiztid!

I hope Shadow Knight read this message im about to write!

Dear Shadow Knight,

When you die please die really cool, like blow yourself up, or over dosing on drugs.... Hmmmm....
if you dont kill yourself than you are a weak person, and you gotta think about it cause if you dont kill yourself you gotta live your life in this shitty world

Anyway all i have to say is DIE PIG SCUM!

Hawk:
Then kill yourself you ****er.
No one likes you go away, you are making someone commit suicide, RIGHT ON!
****ing ***got.

Kaimetsu · #**106** 08-30-2001, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by Huggles

Hawk:
Then kill yourself you ****er.
No one likes you go away, you are making someone commit suicide, RIGHT ON!
****ing ***got.

For the millionth time: Just ignore him.

James205 · #**107** 08-30-2001, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by Huggles

Hawk:
Then kill yourself you ****er.
No one likes you go away, you are making someone commit suicide, RIGHT ON!
****ing ***got.

Something is very different about you Hawk...

RawPower · #**108** 08-30-2001, 10:32 PM

Wow, I go out for a little while and come back to find this topic has been flooded over a stupid debate. -_-

Kaimetsu · #**109** 08-30-2001, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by RawPower
Wow, I go out for a little while and come back to find this topic has been flooded over a stupid debate. -_-

Which one? The Australia one and the "FoxIHateYou" one were stupid, but the actual suicide-related one was far from stupid.

James205 · #**110** 08-30-2001, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by RawPower
Wow, I go out for a little while and come back to find this topic has been flooded over a stupid debate. -_-

Delete this topic.

Slaktmaster · #**111** 08-30-2001, 10:37 PM

He told me that he had tried two times before on the N-Pulse RC and some stupid GP's there was like omg lol thats funny hi =/

Its really sad...

I really hope he doesn't hurt himself or anything...

RawPower · #**112** 08-30-2001, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Which one? The Australia one and the "FoxIHateYou" one were stupid, but the actual suicide-related one was far from stupid.

They're all stupid. I've noticed that you're alone with your opinion and totally wrong aswell (In a way). We weren't created to end our life when something doesn't go our way. Maybe if he wants to die I shouldn't stop him, but that's your own opinion. We all have the right to our own opinion on things and I choose to try and help SK.

James205 · #**113** 08-30-2001, 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by RawPower

They're all stupid. I've noticed that you're alone with your opinion and totally wrong aswell (In a way). We weren't created to end our life when something doesn't go our way. Maybe if he wants to die I shouldn't stop him, but that's your own opinion. We all have the right to our own opinion on things and I choose to try and help SK.

I've already sent SK something. Hopefully he reads it.

Kaimetsu · #**114** 08-30-2001, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by James205

Delete this topic.

No way, there's a lot of interesting stuff in here amidst the stupid arguing.

James205 · #**115** 08-30-2001, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

No way, there's a lot of interesting stuff in here amidst the stupid arguing.

Yeah death. We have Jack telling him to commite suicide, we have people saying it's alright. This is pointless.

RawPower · #**116** 08-30-2001, 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by James205

Yeah death. We have Jack telling him to commite suicide, we have people saying it's alright. This is pointless.

This is a debate between us, not you. You are not needed here so it's pointless to you. Therefore you should just tend to the other threads.

Kaimetsu · #**117** 08-30-2001, 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by RawPower

They're all stupid. I've noticed that you're alone with your opinion and totally wrong aswell (In a way).

Just because I think differently doesn't mean I'm wrong. The majority isn't always right, and so far nobody has successfully proven me wrong.

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We weren't created to end our life when something doesn't go our way.

Your thoughts are clouded by your religion. Your weakness is your lack of objectivity.

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Maybe if he wants to die I shouldn't stop him, but that's your own opinion. We all have the right to our own opinion on things and I choose to try and help SK.

That's your choice, but I don't agree. It doesn't affect me either way, so I have no preference.

Kaimetsu · #**118** 08-30-2001, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by James205

Yeah death. We have Jack telling him to commite suicide, we have people saying it's alright. This is pointless.

It's an intriguing theological argument. If you can't appreciate it then it's your loss.

RawPower · #**119** 08-30-2001, 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Just because I think differently doesn't mean I'm wrong. The majority isn't always right, and so far nobody has successfully proven me wrong.

Your thoughts are clouded by your religion. Your weakness is your lack of objectivity.

That's your choice, but I don't agree. It doesn't affect me either way, so I have no preference.

Nobody can prove anyone wrong. How can you say committing suicide is right? There is nothing right about it.

CyanideSR71 · #**120** 08-30-2001, 11:30 PM

Poor Shadow Knight... People are more interested in the crocidile hunter and how people talk in the South Bronx than his own death... That's what happens when people don't truely follow Chrisianity... At least in my views...