PC Access to iPhone Servers

[TheGodAngelo]

Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

IPHONE LOL!

That's both impractical and ridiculous.
Such as saying lets replace meat and vegetables with cardboard and whatever we can find under an old rock.

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Just remember, we're old generation now. The cycle repeats on!
One day they'll have their own newblets to laugh at and piss on <3

but the current newblets try to make fun of older players


also can anyone explain the whole azrael thing (why is he pretending)

[Admins]

Originally Posted by TheGodAngelo

That's both impractical and ridiculous.
Such as saying lets replace meat and vegetables with cardboard and whatever we can find under an old rock.

The Era iPhone server is in many ways superior to the PC server, so I don't understand this joke.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Stefan

The Era iPhone server is in many ways superior to the PC server, so I don't understand this joke.

ahaha, how mad are all you era players now?

[Matman58]

Originally Posted by Crono

ahaha, how mad are all you era players now?

I think I died a little inside...not because of me being an Era player, but because that just about confirms they have given up on PC Graal. If I remember correctly when they were launching the iPhone/Facebook stuff they said a new level editor was coming as well and here we are without it still. Stefan's comments about Era iPhone being superior makes me believe they are going to let PC Graal rot and die.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Matman58

Stefan's comments about Era iPhone being superior makes me believe they are going to let PC Graal rot and die.

That's because he's already given his idea of what's he's focused on lol.

[BlueMelon]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

That's because he's already given his idea of what's he's focused on lol.

With good reason, PC graal is not making much money. Even though its a nice 2D platform, it doesnt get as much attention then it would on the iphone.

[Galdor]

Originally Posted by BlueMelon

it doesnt get as much attention then it would on the iphone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...BvQS2Z3Q#t=53s

[Admins]

I still don't get it, what has player number or my focus to do with the quality of the server? It's just that Snk is doing a really good job and there are several good staff on the server.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by BlueMelon

it doesnt get as much attention then it would on the iphone.

I think this just goes to show much difference some advertisement (in iPhone's case, being visible in the App Store) can make.
But obviously it's not that simple, there's not a large amount of decent gameplay on Graal to advertise, which is more important given the much stronger competition, nor is there an appealing subscription policy potential players would see as a good deal.

Expanding on the much stronger competition on the PC platform compared to iPhone, there is a market for retro style gaming Graal isn't properly tapping into.

Taking a look at Facebook, it seems as if most players have created an alternate account to play it, perhaps because they're too embarrassed to be seen as a player of it by their friends?
Now imagine if there was a server of such an improved standard, that most players might not be so embarrassed to be spotted playing it?
There's a potential advertising tool at no extra financial expense.

I personally hope that in the event of PC Classic somehow making significant income, some of that could be re-invested towards advertisement via Youtube, something I'm already using to display new content and features.

Originally Posted by Stefan

I still don't get it, what has player number or my focus to do with the quality of the server? It's just that Snk is doing a really good job and there are several good staff on the server.

I agree that Snk is doing a terrific job on iEra, however PC Era has been through years of much worse external circumstances inflicted upon all of PC Graal. Even if it had an excellent staff team, there's only so much they'd realistically be able to accomplish while PC Graal itself is in its current state.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I still don't get it, what has player number or my focus to do with the quality of the server? It's just that Snk is doing a really good job and there are several good staff on the server.

Then instead of boasting about one being of higher quality than the other, how about getting involved and helping improve it? I'm sorry if that sounds direct, but it seems like there's a lot of "This is better than that" coming from people who have the ability to contribute, developers and directors alike, but not a lot of hands getting dirty to fix it.

[Matman58]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Then instead of boasting about one being of higher quality than the other, how about getting involved and helping improve it? I'm sorry if that sounds direct, but it seems like there's a lot of "This is better than that" coming from people who have the ability to contribute, developers and directors alike, but not a lot of hands getting dirty to fix it.

I totally agree! Nicely put.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Then instead of boasting about one being of higher quality than the other

I was defending the iPhone server, because someone made it look like it's just ****. I've not said that the PC Era is bad.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Matman58

I think I died a little inside...not because of me being an Era player, but because that just about confirms they have given up on PC Graal. If I remember correctly when they were launching the iPhone/Facebook stuff they said a new level editor was coming as well and here we are without it still. Stefan's comments about Era iPhone being superior makes me believe they are going to let PC Graal rot and die.

I don't see what the big deal is. The iPhone servers ARE more successful, those are facts.

[Matman58]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

I don't see what the big deal is. The iPhone servers ARE more successful, those are facts.

They are more successful because they are advertised as stated previously in this thread. The point being is if some effort was done to advertise and push PC Graal either through YouTube or other forms of advertising we very well could see a resurgence of players in PC Graal. Also when you say they ARE more successful I assume that is just based on player count. Which yes they are, but if you look at content available there are servers on PC Graal that run circles around iPhone servers.

I will also say I am making my comments more towards Classic iPhone as all I have seen happen all that server is PK, Spar, and witness hundreds of adolescents ask for people to be their boyfriend or girlfriend. To me that doesn't define quality. It is just Classic dumb down to be used as a Social Network. I will say I have played very little of iPhone Era, but the little I played to me seemed like there was actually quality involved there with content to be completed by players so I will give Era iPhone the credit it deserves. With all this said, all PC Graal needs is more market penetration through advertising.

[Crono]

just so you guys know, popularity and quality have nothing to do with eachother

[fowlplay4]

iEra has a marriage system.

iEra 1 - Era 0

[NicoX]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

iEra has a marriage system.

iEra 1 - Era 0

....So with a marriage System PC Era will get 200 more Players? Cool

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

iEra has a marriage system.

iEra 1 - Era 0

Originally Posted by NicoX

....So with a marriage System PC Era will get 200 more Players? Cool

Era already has a marriage system. It's not much of a system and I don't know how many people still use it (it is quite helpful to negate damaging your "partner" during combat) but it's been there for quite a long time.

[BlueMelon]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

iEra has a marriage system.

iEra 1 - Era 0

Era has had the marriage system long before iEra was built..

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by BlueMelon

Era has had the marriage system long before iEra was built..

If it does y don't i know about it? 1 fp4 0 haters

[Crono]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Era already has a marriage system. It's not much of a system and I don't know how many people still use it (it is quite helpful to negate damaging your "partner" during combat) but it's been there for quite a long time.

marry me

[Cow2001]

I'll marry you chron-o-john

[TheGodAngelo]

Originally Posted by Stefan

The Era iPhone server is in many ways superior to the PC server, so I don't understand this joke.

see:

Originally Posted by Matman58

They are more successful because they are advertised as stated previously in this thread. The point being is if some effort was done to advertise and push PC Graal either through YouTube or other forms of advertising we very well could see a resurgence of players in PC Graal. Also when you say they ARE more successful I assume that is just based on player count. Which yes they are, but if you look at content available there are servers on PC Graal that run circles around iPhone servers.

I will also say I am making my comments more towards Classic iPhone as all I have seen happen all that server is PK, Spar, and witness hundreds of adolescents ask for people to be their boyfriend or girlfriend. To me that doesn't define quality. It is just Classic dumb down to be used as a Social Network. I will say I have played very little of iPhone Era, but the little I played to me seemed like there was actually quality involved there with content to be completed by players so I will give Era iPhone the credit it deserves. With all this said, all PC Graal needs is more market penetration through advertising.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

iEra has a marriage system.

iEra 1 - Era 0

Originally Posted by NicoX

....So with a marriage System PC Era will get 200 more Players? Cool

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Era already has a marriage system. It's not much of a system and I don't know how many people still use it (it is quite helpful to negate damaging your "partner" during combat) but it's been there for quite a long time.

Originally Posted by BlueMelon

Era has had the marriage system long before iEra was built..

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

If it does y don't i know about it? 1 fp4 0 haters

PC Era doesn't need a marriage system because it has players old enough to be married in real life.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Crono

marry me

I would, and I know I've lead you on all these years, but I just don't think we're compatible. Sorry bb.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

PC Era doesn't need a marriage system because it has players old enough to be married in real life.

Ooohhh hohohohohoho

[skillmaster19]

considering all of Era's community seems to be male, a marriage system is pointless unless you are homosexual.

[Cow2001]

PC Classic could take an example from iphone though.
see how popular classic iphone is, and it's using a butchered version of a levelset from around 2000!!!!

you guys should upload the old the old levels, make the server public again, and start working from there!

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

PC Classic could take an example from iphone though.
see how popular classic iphone is, and it's using a butchered version of a levelset from around 2000!!!!

It was actually initially a copy of the 2007/2008 levels. The ones which coincided with Classic's demise.

Originally Posted by Cow2001

you guys should upload the old the old levels, make the server public again, and start working from there!

Yeah, we should scrap the server which we've been working on for 2.5 years and isn't far off going live. Then we should remove the NPC-Server, bring back Graal 1.39, all switch back to dialup and windows 98, get rid of these forums because they weren't here back then either, oh and the accounts system too. Maybe if we can find Pachuka and Azrael they can be re-hired so they can develop tools to torment players with aswell.

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Yeah, we should scrap the server which we've been working on for 2.5 years and isn't far off going live. Then we should remove the NPC-Server, bring back Graal 1.39, all switch back to dialup and windows 98, get rid of these forums because they weren't here back then either, oh and the accounts system too. Maybe if we can find Pachuka and Azrael they can be re-hired so they can develop tools to torment players with aswell.

You shouldn't scrap what you've developed so far, just integrate it with the old stuff that people used to love.

Your analogy isn't the most accurate too. Some old stuff (dial-up, old versions of Windows) are outdated and there are not many reasons to use them again, while other old stuff can still be used today. lots of people are still playing old zelda and mario games, even paying money to play them on the Nintendo virtual console, they're old, but not outdated. I think the old levels belong to the second category.


edit: on second thought, because your version is so different from the old version, why not have two separate servers?

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

You shouldn't scrap what you've developed so far, just integrate it with the old stuff that people used to love.

We have brought back plenty of older things. The current server has a lot more in common with both 2000 and Tyhm's final version of GTA than pre-wipe Classic did.

Originally Posted by Cow2001

Some old stuff (dial-up, old versions of Windows) are outdated and there are not many reasons to use them again,

Kindof like GS1, the 1.39 client, and pre NPC-Server Graal server technology.

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Kindof like GS1, the 1.39 client, and pre NPC-Server Graal server technology.

Not true. they had less capabilities, but they also had one huge advantage: players who are not staff were able to create their own levels with the offline editor and submit them to the server.

with gs1, and without the npc server, you could have uploaded the old levels and had a prepared server right away, which you could improve without getting of the old stuff.

also, the current version of graal feels awfully heavy and bloated in comparison to the older versions.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

Not true. they had less capabilities, but they also had one huge advantage: players who are not staff were able to create their own levels with the offline editor and submit them to the server.

wat?

Players can still make levels and submit them to the server with the Offline Editor. They just can't load them up with abusive and broken NPCs.

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

wat?

Players can still make levels and submit them to the server with the Offline Editor. They just can't load them up with abusive and broken NPCs.

can players add regular npcs though?
i was under the impression that scripts that work on the offline editors don't work online because of the npc server and gs2

[Crono]

i still use gs1 when doin lat related level scripts :]!

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

Not true. they had less capabilities, but they also had one huge advantage: players who are not staff were able to create their own levels with the offline editor and submit them to the server.

And this is exactly why as Graal's software advanced, it was deemed impossible to convert Tyhm's GTA (which was already very buggy)... unless you wanted to trawl through 6000 levels which were created using hardly any systematic resources.

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Players can still make levels and submit them to the server with the Offline Editor. They just can't load them up with abusive and broken NPCs.

Exactly, though even an NPC which works at first may be problematic in the long run. What if you were to create some new weapon/system, but this weapon were to collide with older scripts?
You'd either have to have ensured everything complex on the server is scripted systematically, or keep having to go back and fix older scripts.

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

And this is exactly why as Graal's software advanced, it was deemed impossible to convert Tyhm's GTA (which was already very buggy)... unless you wanted to trawl through 6000 levels which were created using hardly any systematic resources.

I understand, so I apologize if I kinda blamed the classic staff like it was only its own decision.

I guess my complaints should go to other people.