PC Access to iPhone Servers

Venom_Fish · #1 02-01-2012, 07:03 AM

Since we're on the verge of the highly-anticipated and monumental changes to many aspects of Graal, I was wondering, instead of making separate iPhone/Facebook servers for each PC server, why not just delete PC Servers and open iPhone servers to everyone?

Ex. Remove Era and open iEra to all?

I mean, this would probably be lucrative in many aspects, such as, development, finance, and overall simplicity.
By having one area for each server, you magnify the administrative focus, the player base focus, and etc.

I mean, to be quite frank, it'd be difficult for someone to make the argument to keep most PC servers, when most of their playerbase dwindles. Only server that really does hold its own, firmly and consistently is Zodiac. Otherwise than that, Era's playercount is extremely unstable, as-is Unholy Nation's, and the rest of the servers aren't even worth naming.

Not to mention their developmental staff can't get it together, and they're overall more trouble than they're worth. Players on all these servers would MUCH rather join in the fun on the iPhone servers. Larger playerbase, more competition, and overall, just SEEMS more organized.

Just a thought though.

ffcmike · #2 02-01-2012, 05:44 PM

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...hp?t=134264943

fowlplay4 · #3 02-01-2012, 05:48 PM

PC players are poison don't let them poison iPhone any further!!!

Bell · #4 02-01-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

PC players are poison don't let them poison iPhone any further!!!

I may be green but I'm not toxic.

fowlplay4 · #5 02-01-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bell

I may be green but I'm not toxic.

You provide support for the poison on a daily basis and know of their toxicity.

Skyld · #6 02-01-2012, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

You provide support for the poison on a daily basis and know of their toxicity.

There isn't a whole lot of poison left.

**MysticalDragon** · #7 02-01-2012, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

Since we're on the verge of the highly-anticipated and monumental changes to many aspects of Graal, I was wondering, instead of making separate iPhone/Facebook servers for each PC server, why not just delete PC Servers and open iPhone servers to everyone?

Ex. Remove Era and open iEra to all?

I mean, this would probably be lucrative in many aspects, such as, development, finance, and overall simplicity.
By having one area for each server, you magnify the administrative focus, the player base focus, and etc.

I mean, to be quite frank, it'd be difficult for someone to make the argument to keep most PC servers, when most of their playerbase dwindles. Only server that really does hold its own, firmly and consistently is Zodiac. Otherwise than that, Era's playercount is extremely unstable, as-is Unholy Nation's, and the rest of the servers aren't even worth naming.

Not to mention their developmental staff can't get it together, and they're overall more trouble than they're worth. Players on all these servers would MUCH rather join in the fun on the iPhone servers. Larger playerbase, more competition, and overall, just SEEMS more organized.

Just a thought though.

Stefan has already talked about removing era and opening up iEra to all, so hopefully he go's threw with it.

Venom_Fish · #8 02-01-2012, 09:11 PM

Either way, I was referring to such a change for all servers. It seems so much more lucrative to focus everything through one medium. Remove the "iEra" label or "i" whatever, and just call the server its name. Allowing access to it from all mediums. That to me seems like it'd really optimize your player-count troubles and etc.

Furthermore, you can probably afford more technical support to that ONE server two, rather than having your attention widely spread throughout multiple versions of the same thing -_-.

But, oh, I wasn't aware... when did he make this announcement?

Crono · #9 02-01-2012, 10:20 PM

why dont we close iEra and open Era for all ;D?

nah but it makes no sense for the real graal to be so neglected, these iservers and whatever should have been available to all under one account. :I

dude2020 · #10 02-01-2012, 10:28 PM

Stefan said he wanted to make iZone one server (PC,Facebook,iClient) so I'm sure iEra/iClassic/iWhatever will soon follow.

BlueMelon · #11 02-01-2012, 10:52 PM

PC graal is really dying. Keep it for development, thats all I think it should be there for. Mobile is the new PC.

papajchris · #12 02-01-2012, 11:13 PM

Stefan said you all suck.

These forums are so full of "stefan says", wheres the proof guys!

Else don't spread rumors

ffcmike · #13 02-02-2012, 01:33 AM

This whole request seems to be becoming something of an ad nauseam. The reasons against it have been stated multiple times, if it was really that simple I'm sure it would have been done already.

The main reason against has to be the fact that PC users would be at such a high advantage to mobile users.
Why not try to utilize this technological advantage towards creating a higher quality version of the game?

It's also clear that while Stefan and Unixmad are (understandably) cautious over the fact that PC Graal is a player ran & developed game, who says this has to be a disadvantage?
It's something which does have an appeal to it, but isn't being fully exploited.

dude2020 · #14 02-02-2012, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by papajchris

Stefan said you all suck.

These forums are so full of "stefan says", wheres the proof guys!

Else don't spread rumors

Rumors? What rumors?
Alf
Come at me bro.
for
Oh wait, I don't think you should
life, right?
Yeah I really think you shouldn't.

Crono · #15 02-02-2012, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike

The main reason against has to be the fact that PC users would be at such a high advantage to mobile users.

You do realize that "PC users" can play the iPhone server through Facebook right?

ffcmike · #16 02-02-2012, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Crono

You do realize that "PC users" can play the iPhone server through Facebook right? That argument means nothing.

Yes, and they're prevented from participating in spar competitions.
So that argument must obviously mean something, or else they wouldn't be prevented from participating in spar competitions.

Tricxta · #17 02-02-2012, 01:53 AM

I don't think era players would like era being removed and era iphone taking over. We've been hasling stefan to let us build a trade system for era iphone but he seems very stubborn on subject. Also with iphone content it's mostly designed to exclude the keyboard. So I don't know what pc era players think of that.... I think it'd be cool if players were allowed on the iphone server but the pc version still be kept up.

Also imo iUsers have the edge on pc players in sparring. The controls are alot tighter and with some practice allow for quicker evasion.

papajchris · #18 02-02-2012, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020

Rumors? What rumors?
Alf
Come at me bro.
for
Oh wait, I don't think you should
life, right?
Yeah I really think you shouldn't.

Wasn't arguing against you, just trying to teach you how to use sources. So congrats an A+.

Alf for life!

dude2020 · #19 02-02-2012, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by papajchris

Wasn't arguing against you, just trying to teach you how to use sources. So congrats an A+.

Alf for life!

I figured everyone knew about it now, I remember posting about it in a few threads in this section of the forums.I think

fowlplay4 · #20 02-02-2012, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tricxta

We've been hasling stefan to let us build a trade system for era iphone but he seems very stubborn on subject.

He's against it because it would allow players to transfer wealth and lower the amount of gralats (by extension their profits) players would purchase.

It would also introduce another element for staff to handle. i.e: Trade Scams, Lending Disputes, Allow Exchange of Illegal (Duped Items, Unauthorized Staff Items) goods.

They have a business model (selling in-game currency) that's working right now and they don't want you guys to **** it up with a trade system.

Tricxta · #21 02-02-2012, 05:43 AM

Fair enough... only valid point is unixmad losing money other then that, drop trading scams and lending disputes happen all the time...

Fulg0reSama · #22 02-02-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

They have a business model (selling in-game currency) that's working right now and they don't want you guys to **** it up with a trade system.

On-Topic though.
This subject has been talked about to death, Unless you are to work for them to make this happen, it simply shall not until something of significance comes into view for them, while it may be important to us, it won't be important to them until something new develops.

Andre2006 · #23 02-02-2012, 07:14 PM

This tiger needs to brush his teeth, I think he's been chugging the coffee one too many times!

Tricxta · #24 02-05-2012, 10:42 PM

@ the anonymous neg repper who broke my wonderful streak of clean rep(you made me cry

)

What other points are valid o_0 also I introduced the idea of just trading dropable items, this would only eliminate scamming and introduce no bad things unless the trade system has holes in it which allow for duping. But yeh...

fowlplay4 · #25 02-05-2012, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Andre2006

This tiger needs to brush his teeth, I think he's been chugging the coffee one too many times!

It's too late for him to reverse the stains with brushing, he's going to require a bleaching or laser treatment to whiten the teeth even then that will only be temporarily and dependent on his brushing regime.

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Originally Posted by Tricxta

What other points are valid o_0 also I introduced the idea of just trading dropable items, this would only eliminate scamming and introduce no bad things unless the trade system has holes in it which allow for duping. But yeh...

I was unaware of the dropping system, if they allow a trade system players are going to expect to be able to trade everything.

Crono · #26 02-06-2012, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike

Yes, and they're prevented from participating in spar competitions.
So that argument must obviously mean something, or else they wouldn't be prevented from participating in spar competitions.

Competitions yes, but we can still spar normally and take part in tower events.

If it was setup so you could access the iServers through the normal client it would be no different.

ffcmike · #27 02-06-2012, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Crono

Competitions yes, but we can still spar normally and take part in tower events.

If it was setup so you could access the iServers through the normal client it would be no different.

I wouldn't be so sure, Stefan has said in the past (within RC when discussing the feasability of PC servers being accessed via Facebook App) that he believes Facebook is actually slower than through an iDevice by result of certain technicalities. If this is still true then perhaps they don't feel it's a problem with the Facebook app for that very reason.

Crono · #28 02-06-2012, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike

I wouldn't be so sure, Stefan has said in the past (within RC when discussing the feasability of PC servers being accessed via Facebook App) that he believes Facebook is actually slower than through an iDevice by result of certain technicalities. If this is still true then perhaps they don't feel it's a problem with the Facebook app for that very reason.

in english plz

edit- i dont move slower while sparring so no. the excuse is that keyboards give players an advantage, which is why we must spar in our own tourney.

ffcmike · #29 02-06-2012, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Crono

in english plz

I would not trow thy beseech, yore hath Stefan spoke (midst RC, whilst pondering wilt PC proby cometh access thither Facebook App henceforth) that he trows Facebook dost pudh than iDevice whither dearth capacity. If this tether tarry, canst they dost not trow it is a lendenece whither the Facebook app for that very bequeath.

scriptless · #30 02-06-2012, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike

I would not trow thy beseech, yore hath Stefan spoke (midst RC, whilst pondering wilt PC proby cometh access thither Facebook App henceforth) that he trows Facebook dost pudh than iDevice whither dearth capacity. If this tether tarry, canst they dost not trow it is a lendenece whither the Facebook app for that very bequeath.

Crono did say english. He didn't say old english or new lmao.. I started reading this and totally thought U were speakign gibberish untill half way thru and realised it really was english XD

Tricxta · #31 02-06-2012, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I was unaware of the dropping system, if they allow a trade system players are going to expect to be able to trade everything.

They'll expect it but it doesn't mean it has to happen, besides... it's better then nothing.

Cow2001 · #32 02-19-2012, 10:34 AM

iphone users are mean anyway

everyone calls me a newb altho i started playing before some of them were even born!

TSAdmin · #33 02-19-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cow2001

iphone users are mean anyway

everyone calls me a newb altho i started playing before some of them were even born!

Yeah, but it's a safe bet that a very high percentage of them don't even know the PC version exists (*cough* lack of advertisement *cough*) and probably believe that since they started upon or around release, they're oldbies. Little do they know that they're the oldbies of a newbie age, so they're... noldbies? lol, I don't know.

Cow2001 · #34 02-19-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Yeah, but it's a safe bet that a very high percentage of them don't even know the PC version exists (*cough* lack of advertisement *cough*) and probably believe that since they started upon or around release, they're oldbies. Little do they know that they're the oldbies of a newbie age, so they're... noldbies? lol, I don't know.

they think of pc graal as a development platform and not a game now so most 'normal players' run away and only developers stay to work on playerworlds that will prolly never go public

and we dont even have the original server anymore for some reason. iphone and facebook has a butchered version of it and its ultra popular

Cow2001 · #35 02-19-2012, 10:48 AM

also on iphone there is this admin azrael who pretends he's the original azrael from the old days and it's pretty pathetic

Matman58 · #36 02-19-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cow2001

iphone users are mean anyway

everyone calls me a newb altho i started playing before some of them were even born!

Seen this numerous time while I am on there. Quite funny if you ask me. One thing I found interesting was when I killed someone they started spamming me with PMs saying N00b and had me blocked so I couldn't respond but were still allowed to spam me. Yes I know I could have just blocked the person back but just thought that was a terrible process that a person can block another and then spam them.

The other thing I couldn't stop laughing about is how many people stand around asking for g/f and b/f's lol. Just clear that we have entered a new age of players in Graal.

Crono · #37 02-19-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matman58

Seen this numerous time while I am on there. Quite funny if you ask me. One thing I found interesting was when I killed someone they started spamming me with PMs saying N00b and had me blocked so I couldn't respond but were still allowed to spam me. Yes I know I could have just blocked the person back but just thought that was a terrible process that a person can block another and then spam them.

The other thing I couldn't stop laughing about is how many people stand around asking for g/f and b/f's lol. Just clear that we have entered a new age of players in Graal.

You can't just sneak back after years of not posting.

Matman58 · #38 02-19-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

You can't just sneak back after years of not posting.

Why not?

Maybe I just like to creep the forums and restrain from posting.

Cow2001 · #39 02-19-2012, 06:04 PM

Can I?

Fulg0reSama · #40 02-19-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Matman58

Seen this numerous time while I am on there. Quite funny if you ask me. One thing I found interesting was when I killed someone they started spamming me with PMs saying N00b and had me blocked so I couldn't respond but were still allowed to spam me. Yes I know I could have just blocked the person back but just thought that was a terrible process that a person can block another and then spam them.

The other thing I couldn't stop laughing about is how many people stand around asking for g/f and b/f's lol. Just clear that we have entered a new age of players in Graal.

Just remember, we're old generation now. The cycle repeats on!
One day they'll have their own newblets to laugh at and piss on <3