CTF and Blocking

[DarkRenji]

Honestly, this event just needs to be removed seeing as anything can be misconstrued as "blocking".


I was playing CTF today, and winning as defender, then 2 raiders made it past me, George (the ETA), and someone else.


After finishing my fight in the upper area, I proceed to go down the ladder and into the flag room, once I get there I see George and his teammate at my flag, I advance towards them and into the linear area with the barrels (The only way in and out of the room), I stood there for a sec (honestly less then 3 seconds), then threw a grenade at george and rushed him, killing him in the process then not even 10 secs later he gets on ETA tag and warps to the event and kicks me saying I was blocking, now then how else could I of handled this? Just let him walk past me, out of my base and into the open area of the map?


For ****s sakes, how is this even considered blocking?
If it really pissed you off this much you need to make 2 ways in and out of the flags hold.

[GeorgeC]

All I can say is, if 3 people, blocking 2 people down that linear area, holding down D whilst also impeding mine and my teams paths isn't blocking.

Then standing next to a door swinging a light sabre isn't laming is what you're saying in retrospect...

Even someone new to the game would know that was blocking.

I kicked you and the other 2 players for blocking the path, I tried telling DMC43 why it was blocking and you naded then the three of you decided to rush us where I was blown up.

[DarkRenji]

Originally Posted by GeorgeC

All I can say is, if 3 people, blocking 2 people down that linear area, holding down D whilst also impeding mine and my teams paths isn't blocking.

Then standing next to a door swinging a light sabre isn't laming is what you're saying in retrospect...

Even someone new to the game would know that was blocking.

I kicked you and the other 2 players for blocking the path, I tried telling DMC43 why it was blocking and you naded then the three of you decided to rush us where I was blown up.

Was I holding down D? Because it's funny I didn't fire a shot till I hit you with my grenade, I am sorry you were typing when it happened, but that's really irrelevant, If I was the one typing and you killed me, would you summon me and give me another chance to kill you? You wouldn't. This happens to everybody.

and the other 2 people with me were trial accounts, if you couldn't beat the guy spamming D with throwing Knives before I got down there that is your own problem... and its funny because neither of the 2 trial's even touched you while I was down there, I killed you alone once arriving..


DMC even said it didn't look like I was doing anything wrong, AND HE WAS THE ONE HOSTING, why did you feel the need to tag up and do his job for him? If it was fowl play then he would of done something himself..


Also you completely avoided the question of what I should of done in that situation, should the defenders just let the raiders walk out of the base before engaging them?

[salesman]

georgeC sounds super corrupt ban him

[WillaWonka]

I hate that area, I was shooting down it once, and a ET said "No blocking" I told him that i am not just gonna let them run past, and that is not what is defined as blocking, then kept shooting and he kicked me. It's merely considered a stand-off. Blocking is if you are standing in front of the ladder or the door on purpose just to lame them. If they are rushing you and your shooting while running back and end up at the door accidentally blocking it, shouldn't be your fault, should be the person that is rushing you's fault for forcing that situation.

[Supaman771]

If you don't block or impede their movement then they automatically win the event, since players have the same speed and they can just run to the flag.

I keep telling the ETAs (since Alfonso) to make exception for the flag carriers, or to add a speed deduction when you're in possession of the flag.

Plenty of ETs do this, Seth warps back to PK events every time he dies and 50% of the time ends up kicking the people that killed him for some stupid thing like 'laming' or 'blocking' or 'illegal weapon'.

In my honest opinion: if the weapon is enabled, use it. If they back themselves into a corner, block the path. If you're the only competent player on your team, lame the crap out of them.

People use the 'blocking' and 'laming' excuse way too often, when 99% of the time it's their fault for running into an exposed corridor, or getting backed into a corner.
Just let the players play.

[Starfire2001]

Man I don't play Era, but ETAs and ETs shouldn't go on tag during a team event and kick players on the opposite team for any reason, they should report any problems to the ET hosting the event. Why? Cause its a funny thing, but you never see an ET leap on tag to kick someone on their own team for rule breaking.

Also "blocking" being illegal sounds pretty lame.

[Kohola_KinG]

Really? You couldn't have made a ticket or pmed staff about it? Or you just wanted to start more **** on the forums?

[DarkRenji]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

Really? You couldn't have made a ticket or pmed staff about it? Or you just wanted to start more **** on the forums?

Yep, I informed him I was gonna do it before hand.


I figured maybe somebody could teach me how to properly play CTF that won't get me kicked from it, however nobody has answered one of my original question's yet.

[Gambet1337]

how is that blocking? lulz
so pretty much don't defend let them go by..? :s

[Demisis_P2P]

ET shouldn't be kicking people from other ETs events period.

Sounds like he was upset about losing TBH.

[Felix_Xenophobe]

george c u done it now

[Mark Sir Link]

is this XxJiggaxX's alt

[FantasyX]

that's definitely not blocking, lol...sounds like george is just a sore loser

[Scoper]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

ET shouldn't be kicking people from other ETs events period.

Sounds like he was upset about losing TBH.

This used to be a fireable rule.

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

is this XxJiggaxX's alt

Renji? No

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Scoper

This used to be a fireable rule.

Sigma got fired and a 6 hour jail for doing it in the same event/level back when the ETAs cared.
No one pulled that **** again mang.

[bloodykiller]

if ur not the ET on tag u cant rage when u die to kick ppl, on the other hand the hosting ET must be more careful when kicking ppl, cuz when i play raider in ctf i either cap flag in 30-40seconds or i get blocked+killed in the bottom room cuz the silly ET didn't follow the only raider going for flag

[Fiberwyre_P2P]

how about instead of making arbitrary rules, just build the no-blocking concept into the level and make the area wider? XD

[Herb_P2P]

Renji for ETA!

[Dragon551]

Alf for ETA 2012
#RoundTwo

[Vman13x]

Originally Posted by Dragon551

Alf for ETA 2012
#RoundTwo

No snow cannon no ETA. >:O

[Dragon551]

Originally Posted by Vman13x

No snow cannon no ETA. >:O

Steal hatz moar. <3

[Nonepwnz]

Seriously, a thread for something that happened in an Event?

Buhuhu, cry me a river. I am tired of all bull****, yet laughing at it.

Seriously, its not a big deal. Look at Era, now tell me, was this thread important?

I have a phone.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by salesman

georgeC sounds super corrupt ban him

Sounds good.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Fiberwyre_P2P

how about instead of making arbitrary rules, just build the no-blocking concept into the level and make the area wider? XD

large areas damage pking since they promote defensiveness

[DarkRenji]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

large areas damage pking since they promote defensiveness

Then why not make 2 small paths that lead into the flag? That should at least help some...

[bloodykiller]

that's a good idea, a simpler idea would be to allow players to pass through each other in areas where you can potentially block opponents (just as occurs in no-pk areas i.e. unstick me)

[Crow]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

a simpler idea would be to allow players to pass through each other in areas where you can potentially block opponents (just as occurs in no-pk areas i.e. unstick me)

If Era is still using the default projectile system, this won't work. Because then, projectiles will pass through players as well.

[jkldogg]

Originally Posted by Crow

If Era is still using the default projectile system, this won't work. Because then, projectiles will pass through players as well.

Collateral damage!

lulz.

Who cares???? CTF has only been like this....for YEARS. stfu and get over it georgec is gonna abuse all day and no one will do anything.

[ff7chocoboknight]

In a real life situation where someone is guarding something, nobody expects them to move out of the way when someone wants to steal whatever they are guarding.

In a real game of CTF, would you stand in someone's way or allow them to pass?


The no blocking rule is stupid, and everyone needs to stop *****ing.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by ff7chocoboknight

In a real life situation where someone is guarding something, nobody expects them to move out of the way when someone wants to steal whatever they are guarding.

In a real game of CTF, would you stand in someone's way or allow them to pass?


The no blocking rule is stupid, and everyone needs to stop *****ing.

this statement of urs makes it obvious that u dnt play the game, otherwise ud know that blocking in an event means an easy and cheap win, this is era not call of duty

[Supaman771]

Continuing this thread, some kid just won CTF by capturing the flag when he had broken UPD settings. Myself and JEM (the only people on our team with guns) couldn't see, shoot, block, or do anything to him. I swapped my settings both ways twice and it still wouldn't make him appear, we killed the entire team (I never even got shot once, flawlessly killed 4 players) without losing any team members.

Seth kicked all 7 of us and gave this kid EC even though we were telling him and I even offered to give screen shots.

Wtf?

[bloodykiller]

he was probably hacking, or he would've shown up when u changed ur udp settings

[WillaWonka]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

Continuing this thread, some kid just won CTF by capturing the flag when he had broken UPD settings. Myself and JEM (the only people on our team with guns) couldn't see, shoot, block, or do anything to him. I swapped my settings both ways twice and it still wouldn't make him appear, we killed the entire team (I never even got shot once, flawlessly killed 4 players) without losing any team members.

Seth kicked all 7 of us and gave this kid EC even though we were telling him and I even offered to give screen shots.

Wtf?

It always happens to you guys, i never experience any form of such, but when i see you have that problem i see both of you guys moving and shooting randomly. Funny to watch though.

[TheJames]

Blocking is making it so an exit is not reachable (such as blocking a ladder, door, level entrance) but to slow up the flag carrier I feel you should be able to do some sort of blocking or something because if there is no "blocking" how the hell are you supposed to stop the flag carrier?

I agree with Rouge, add a speed deficit on the flag carrier. Make him run around 1.00 or something..

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by TheJames

Blocking is making it so an exit is not reachable (such as blocking a ladder, door, level entrance) but to slow up the flag carrier I feel you should be able to do some sort of blocking or something because if there is no "blocking" how the hell are you supposed to stop the flag carrier?

^ This, pure and simple. The blocking rule was created for the problem of people blocking physical door, ladder or similar entry/exit points, not for the actual aim of stopping your enemy[ies]. "It's Era" is the worst cop-out I've ever heard in this regard and we've all heard some pretty lame ones over the years.

RE: ET getting on tag after being otherwise removed from the event him/herself- Lenience has always been shown to those who come back as mere spectators but only a fool allows such interferences to go unpunished. If it's the ETA, that's even worse. Even judge's IRL are forced to recuse themselves from further judgment's should they find themselves personally involved. As a leader, the ETA is not the exception to the case.

On a side note, I'm leaving this thread open so long as it doesn't delve into forum-rule-breaking discussions that include attacking other people directly, like a couple of posts that are no longer visible earlier in the thread. "What is?" and "What isn't?" discussions are exactly the type of thing we should be discussing here.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by TheJames

e if there is no "blocking" how the hell are you supposed to stop the flag carrier?

by shooting him? stopping the flag carrier should be a team effort
and lol at slowing down flag carrier, have u ever played gang ctf? it's not exactly easy to cap a flag if there r 3-4 enemies shooting at u, assuming they have chosen their positions wisely

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

by shooting him? stopping the flag carrier should be a team effort
and lol at slowing down flag carrier, have u ever played gang ctf? it's not exactly easy to cap a flag if there r 3-4 enemies shooting at u, assuming they have chosen their positions wisely

That's a pretty rare and specific occasion that differs from the 10-25 normal CTFs hosted daily. In this example every player would be prepared and equipped with a weapon and possess formidable skill and competence to be apart of the gang.

The normal case usually only has about 1-4 of these equipped, competent, and skilled players (As in my example, myself and JEM did everything for our team... in the case neither of us can see, shoot, block, etc. a player, the 'team' aspect dies and it becomes an utter lost cause) are present for an event, and they are randomly sorted to teams as opposed to being a predefined and unified group of players with a plan.

Oh, and Gang CTF is more than likely played with the dual flag map, as it is easier to host than the normal CTF that was rarely done by admins awhile back.

I find your point fairly invalid, the best option (at this point) for generic 1 flag CTF would be to add a slow effect to the flag carrier.
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Oh and dbags on the Events Team, our guild says Defender for a reason, we're not going to step out of the way when someone who possesses the object we're subject to defend runs at us. If the Raider initiates the situation (runs into a dead end, rushes at you in a hallway) it is not blocking, it is strictly 'defending'. Learn this.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

That's a pretty rare and specific occasion that differs from the 10-25 normal CTFs hosted daily. In this example every player would be prepared and equipped with a weapon and possess formidable skill and competence to be apart of the gang.

The normal case usually only has about 1-4 of these equipped, competent, and skilled players (As in my example, myself and JEM did everything for our team... in the case neither of us can see, shoot, block, etc. a player, the 'team' aspect dies and it becomes an utter lost cause) are present for an event, and they are randomly sorted to teams as opposed to being a predefined and unified group of players with a plan.

Oh, and Gang CTF is more than likely played with the dual flag map, as it is easier to host than the normal CTF that was rarely done by admins awhile back.

I find your point fairly invalid, the best option (at this point) for generic 1 flag CTF would be to add a slow effect to the flag carrier.
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Oh and dbags on the Events Team, our guild says Defender for a reason, we're not going to step out of the way when someone who possesses the object we're subject to defend runs at us. If the Raider initiates the situation (runs into a dead end, rushes at you in a hallway) it is not blocking, it is strictly 'defending'. Learn this.

And honestly, the Raiding TEAM in CTF isn't just a one man show. It's the job of the whole team to make sure that you can get in, get the flag, and get out.

One person shouldn't expect to get a free walk just because they don't want to work as a team. In fact I'd say that if it is possible for one person to cap a flag entirely on their own then there is something terribly wrong with the balance of the event as a whole.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

And honestly, the Raiding TEAM in CTF isn't just a one man show. It's the job of the whole team to make sure that you can get in, get the flag, and get out.

One person shouldn't expect to get a free walk just because they don't want to work as a team. In fact I'd say that if it is possible for one person to cap a flag entirely on their own then there is something terribly wrong with the balance of the event as a whole.

uv never seen me run