Guild Sparring on Classic iPhone.

[Rufus]

Didn't know where to put this, but ya I was guild sparring on Classic iPhone yesterday. It's the first time I actually had fun on the server; super entertaining.

The reason I'm making a thread though is because there was an announcement while we were guild sparring. People came to spar us, and there ended up being 80 in one room. Trying to spar in a single room and having that many people meant that nobody could move while we weren't sparring, and it left those with earlier iPod devices extremely laggy. I was wondering if you could make the spar room into a no-pk zone so people can move around/watch and have the ACTUAL spar in an entirely different level. A level that only the people sparring are in, while everyone outside of the arena watches NPC's copying the spar going on.

It's done on servers such as Unholy Nation, and with the amount of people on the iPhone server it's kind of necessary.

[callimuc]

Jea true. That´s pretty annoying :/ or maybe like a spar arena which is a 2x2 gmap with different spar places so when one is free people will spar there and not wait till the arena in this 1 small room is free

[skillmaster19]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I was wondering if you could make the spar room into a no-pk zone so people can move around/watch and have the ACTUAL spar in an entirely different level. A level that only the people sparring are in, while everyone outside of the arena watches NPC's copying the spar going on.

It's done on servers such as Unholy Nation, and with the amount of people on the iPhone server it's kind of necessary.

I think UN creates a npc with a 0.1 timeout that copies the nick, attributes,chat,hearts, gani, and the position of the players sparring. Such a script would be far too laggy for classic iPhone, as the server has thousands online and over 10 spar rooms and 5 guild spar rooms. Also, the classic iPhone scripting team is far too lazy and they haven't created any major content in the past 6 months, so why would they make this? I think the scripters should focus on making new content such as the highly anticipated towns or events. The only scripter who has really been working is stefan, to my knowledge he created the majority of the content. Stefan is far too busy with the facebook and android version of graal to work on an individual server. Stefan should actually pay the scripters so they actually create something,which will increase profits.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

Such a script would be far too laggy for classic iPhone

Nope.

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

Also, the classic iPhone scripting team is far too lazy and they haven't created any major content in the past 6 months, so why would they make this?

Staff "laziness" does not stop people from making suggestions so idc.

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

I think the scripters should focus on making new content such as the highly anticipated towns or events.

Doesn't take 5 scripters to script something like this.

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

The only scripter who has really been working is stefan, to my knowledge he created the majority of the content.

Nope.

[NewYorkerNick]

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

Also, the classic iPhone scripting team is far too lazy and they haven't created any major content in the past 6 months, so why would they make this?

Why be rude?

[skillmaster19]

Originally Posted by NewYorkerNick

Why be rude?

You are right I shouldn't have said they are "lazy", but it is true that there hasn't been any new content for 6 months.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

Such a script would be far too laggy for classic iPhone

I can confirm that it would definitely not be "far too laggy," although there are some potential lag issues with it. Ideally Stefan could add some functionality so that the GServer handles it rather than by script (i.e. the other clients actually think the sparring players are in the room).

[Crow]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

I can confirm that it would definitely not be "far too laggy," although there are some potential lag issues with it. Ideally Stefan could add some functionality so that the GServer handles it rather than by script (i.e. the other clients actually think the sparring players are in the room).

That would be awesome to have actually.

[callimuc]

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

...as the server has thousands online...

iTunes:
New Record of 1800 iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad players online at the same time!

Don´t you think thousands is a bit to high?

[skillmaster19]

Originally Posted by callimuc

Don´t you think thousands is a bit to high?

The server will have even more online when facebook graal comes out.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

The server will have even more online when facebook graal comes out.

With that comes updates:

What's New in Version 1.12

Improved stability and speed

and plans on speed/high playercount as Stefan pointed out already:

Originally Posted by Stefan

We will need the new server infrastructure to be to handle the higher playercount brought by the Web/Facebook version and Android version.

[MattKan]

Originally Posted by Zeke

With that comes updates:


and plans on speed/high playercount as Stefan pointed out already:

I still find it hard to believe that version 1.10 would come after version 1.9, because 1.10 = 1.1 which is less than 1.9, and ahh, stefan apprently can't do math

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by MattKan

I still find it hard to believe that version 1.10 would come after version 1.9, because 1.10 = 1.1 which is less than 1.9, and ahh, stefan apprently can't do math

The first number is for major revisions, and the second number is for minor revisions, and the period is to separate them.

If he wanted the version to display that way he would have done: 1.01, 1.02, 1.03...1.10, 1.11, etc.

Why you would say he's bad at math when math really has nothing to do it with it is beyond me, other than you're just anti-Stefan for no real reason.

On-topic:

From what I read in the OP the lag isn't a problem when they're in the spar ring? Might be able to do something with sync distance to help as well.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

From what I read in the OP the lag isn't a problem when they're in the spar ring? Might be able to do something with sync distance to help as well.

Well it's not laggy for me both inside and out, but you can't move in the room when it has lots of people in it. Older devices couldn't even move in the spar though, where they'd normally be fine with 8~ players in a level (the participants in the spar).

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by MattKan

I still find it hard to believe that version 1.10 would come after version 1.9, because 1.10 = 1.1 which is less than 1.9, and ahh, stefan apprently can't do math

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Well it's not laggy for me both inside and out, but you can't move in the room when it has lots of people in it. Older devices couldn't even move in the spar though, where they'd normally be fine with 8~ players in a level (the participants in the spar).

Rufus' sparring now and I'm watching with a bunch of others, you're good :3
I'm seeing some people lagging just a bit, but those, as said before are on older devices. :/

[MattKan]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

The first number is for major revisions, and the second number is for minor revisions, and the period is to separate them.

If he wanted the version to display that way he would have done: 1.01, 1.02, 1.03...1.10, 1.11, etc.

Why you would say he's bad at math when math really has nothing to do it with it is beyond me, other than you're just anti-Stefan for no real reason.

I thought it was a decimal point, and no, I'm not just anti-Stefan for no real reason.

[Hiro]

iphone sparring?

lol

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Hiro

iphone sparring?

lol

heard un has a pretty active spar life with its ~50 playercount sitting in et center

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Crono

heard un has a pretty active spar life with its ~50 playercount sitting in et center

you heard wrong its dead as hell ):

though its not as if i've been contributing anything towards it recently

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Hiro

you heard wrong its dead as hell ):

i was bein sarcastic!!

[Bubble13]

I truly don't see what's so hard about making the spar arenas non-blocking. This problem has been there for over a year. Do the staff on Classic iPhone really have anything else to do?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Bubble13

I truly don't see what's so hard about making the spar arenas non-blocking. This problem has been there for over a year. Do the staff on Classic iPhone really have anything else to do?

You mean players blocking? It's been like that on Graal for atleast a decade. I kind of agree, players shouldn't block if they're outside of the spar ring.

[Bubble13]

Originally Posted by Crono

You mean players blocking? It's been like that on Graal for atleast a decade. I kind of agree, players shouldn't block if they're outside of the spar ring.

What I'm trying to say is that the staff on Classic iPhone do nothing as it is so would it really kill them to fix this?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Bubble13

What I'm trying to say is that the staff on Classic iPhone do nothing as it is so would it really kill them to fix this?

There's nothing they can do.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Crono

There's nothing they can do.

noplayerpk is apparently writable in v6, they might be able to fix it.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

noplayerpk is apparently writable in v6, they might be able to fix it.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Crono

Also, if they did what Rufus said(which would be advisable) then it wouldn't be a problem anyways. The spectator room could be nopk while the spar room would be a different level, thus it wouldn't apply to them.

[Mark Sir Link]

don't think you'd really even have to have NPCs running on the serverside to manage this, not sure how bad two showimgs would be on the clientside on an iphone, but it seems as though an insane amount of data is already available to the client. The only thing that seems to be missing for players not in your level is level name and health.

PHP Code:

//#CLIENTSIDE 

function onCreated(){
  echo("allplayers");
  for(temp.i = 0; i < allplayers.size(); i++){
    temp.p = allplayers[i];
    echo(p.account SPC p.x SPC p.y SPC p.level SPC p.ani SPC p.hearts SPC p.dir);
  }
} 


NPC Code:

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results:

allplayers

(npcserver) 5.5 56.25  idle 0 2

Samurai_X2689 5.5 56.25  idle 0 2

CujoDaMan 5.5 56.25  idle 0 2

Samurai_X2689 30 30  idle 13 3

Graal690850 5.5 56.25  idle 0 2

Graal778704 51.5 22.1875 etcenter.nw sit 5 2

BrutaL 30 52  warper 5 2

irc:#era 30.5 30   0 2

irc:#Dev_Nocturax 30.5 30   0 2

irc:#zshouts 30.5 30   0 2

irc:#exchange 30.5 30   0 2

irc:#atlantis 30.5 30   0 2

irc:#delteria 30.5 30   0 2

irc:#zchat 30.5 30   0 2

irc:#skjf91_debug 30.5 30   0 2

irc:#Noctorious 30.5 30   0 2

Mark Sir Link 30.5 30   0 2

fireballboy12 54.5 24 etcenter.nw sit 5 3

Graal775791 12.5 20.6875 etcenter.nw idle 13 1

Graal727262 2.5 17 etcenter.nw un_sflute_play 13 2

Darkmatters 29.5 48.5  warper 13 2

nightslayer317 5.5 56.25  idle 0 2

warcraft1111 14.5 16.5625 etcenter.nw sit 13 2

RuneDevil 9.375 19.5625 etcenter.nw idle 13 2

four_swords 30 30  blush 3 2

snoop413 39.6875 33.5625 etcenter.nw idle 13 2

shyguy2 5.5 56.25  idle 0 2

Deas_Voice 5.5 56.25  idle 0 2

Graal777688 29.6875 30 etcenter.nw idle 13 2

foxboi 54.5 23.5  idle 3 3

lag_PKer 39 31 etcenter.nw idle 13 2

Ronnietehnub 26.5 30 etcenter.nw idle 13 1

stephanie516 56.5 17 etcenter.nw sit 3 2

BigBear3 30.5 30   0 2

trimaster 320.5 431.25  idle 13 0

MysticX2X 44.875 31 etcenter.nw idle 13 2

Flares 5.5 56.25  idle 0 2

Graal771481 25.25 48 etcenter.nw idle 11 1

Starfire2001 37 33  idle 0 2

Angle99 29.5 48.5  grab 0 2

Graal752402 31.5 36  idle 0 2

Unknown_Prophecy 30.5 55  idle 5 2

Nubeh 319.875 430.75  idle 0 2

Graal763890 25.875 27.0625 etcenter.nw walk 3 1

Graal749011 43.0625 28 etcenter.nw idle 1 2

Graal752914 32.5 58  warper 13 2

Graal757717 30.5 55  dama-fierce-breathing 13 2

NighT_StaR 285.5 416  idle 0 2

Shadowea 31.5 36  sit 13 3

Graal770822 59 33  carrystill 0 2

Taygen 269.25 425  sit 0 2

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[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

The only thing that seems to be missing for players not in your level is level name and health.

I believe these variables would be available to those players you have encountered within the same level, though it will remain as the old values once you're no longer within the same level. So if you were for instance looping through "players" instead of "allplayers" they would be there, albeit you'd already know they're in the same level anyway.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

I believe these variables would be available to those players you have encountered within the same level, though it will remain as the old values once you're no longer within the same level. So if you were for instance looping through "players" instead of "allplayers" they would be there, albeit you'd already know they're in the same level anyway.

I thought to actually check about the X Y values and warped to Angle99 on that list and saw that they were correct, in a level I had not entered in since last connecting to the server.

It could be a coincidence but I doubt it.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I thought to actually check about the X Y values and warped to Angle99 on that list and saw that they were correct, in a level I had not entered in since last connecting to the server.

It could be a coincidence but I doubt it.

If this was the case I think it would then be stored as their coordinates at the time they or yourself logged on.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

don't think you'd really even have to have NPCs running on the serverside to manage this, not sure how bad two showimgs would be on the clientside on an iphone, but it seems as though an insane amount of data is already available to the client. The only thing that seems to be missing for players not in your level is level name and health.

This is incorrect. The data needed in allplayers, such as x and y, is not updated. You can get the level name through levelname (the lack of a period is not a typo), but it requires v6.

In addition, allplayers is not even available on the iPhone client due to the bandwidth which would be required to send out updates to all online players.

[ffcmike]

Another possible solution regarding sparring, possibly less effective depending on how player bandwidth receiving compares to the displays of players but possibly simpler and smoother, would be to hide all players via showstats, and draw yourself and your opponent via showani.

[Mark Sir Link]

[QUOTE=cbk1994;1651751]This is incorrect. The data needed in allplayers, such as x and y, is not updated.

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I thought to actually check about the X Y values and warped to Angle99 on that list and saw that they were correct, in a level I had not entered in since last connecting to the server.

It could be a coincidence but I doubt it.

I checked again and it still was giving correct x/y values for players who had moved around.

Neither myself or other players were on the GMAP

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I checked again and it still was giving correct x/y values for players who had moved around.

Neither myself or other players were on the GMAP

In different levels? I highly doubt it, but I can't test it now. Regardless, there is no allplayers on iPhone.

[xAndrewx]

I plan on re-doing the iPhone spar system sometime this week. (well for Era, if it's good I'll show Xor and he may add to Classic)

I'll post if I come up with anything for the lag