New Server (GAMES)

Devil_Lord2 · #1 04-10-2011, 06:59 AM

This is only my opinion.
*=EDIT

Graal *PC is dead, the only players playing the classic servers are for the most part loyal people, and any new servers unless they are so amazing, don't have a chance. The owners are using the new servers to make money, could care less about the people who love the game, and are taking what they can get.

*iPod still has years to go before new users stop pouring in and the devs or owners kill it. :]

Players now who love doing DEV work want their server on classic, why?!
Classic status is only an in game advertisement to show players it is there.

Owners cannot make money to pay for the servers they are paying for and basically getting friends to play and keeping the game running.

Don't get me wrong, I love Graal, it has taught me a lot.. Art.. X and Y.. HTML... Programming... I love Graal for its Dev like system, and it's social networking.

However, until Graal dies, I doubt much will be done to fix all this, so basically we ignore it.

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Let's get to the point of this post.
I think all the developers should put together a Graal server with games...
Card games, Multiplayer games, Tower Defences, Pool, Yahtzee... things people will like..
Perhaps half the server could be player LATed levels.. like they have access only to 5 levels and can edit how they like.. There are too many servers with big ideas getting almost no where..

If people like a game, they will play it.. it may take a few days to a week to script a simple game.. I don't know, I am only a basic NAT.

I'd be glad to help in the graphics department. Later on build a money system so that players can buy different pieces to use.. pool sticks.. w/e..

Events? Host tournaments.. who knows.. Yeah levels are great.. but do levels keep players coming on? Quests are cool too.. when you buy a single player game do you play it twice or more? If you are going to pay for a game.. why not make the best of it.

I can contribute most of a pet system for pets. I can also do a lot of 3D Modeling for it.. I don't really like pixel art but I can do it x.x;

Ganis I can do via text file and RC / testbed.

Levels I can do but won't really be needed too much.

Programming... still learning but I can do a good amount I guess.

The most I can see is they may need a system to collect age, and make certain words not shown to people under 16... I can't see how hacking would do very much on this server lol..

It would just be a server to do fun things.. maybe someone will want to start developing quests on the server.. why not let them?

Think of it as a melting pot for DEVs and old players? Who cares if it doesn't reach Classic status. Advertise it, something the owners will not. Even trials could play.. We would bring in new players that wouldn't have to pay whome would then bring on new people.

The only quest I can think of being needed... is a tutorial. ;]
For the new players who don't know the keyboard controls or how to talk.

And for the loyal players who won't leave their friends on their favorite servers, well they have a place to go when they are bored.

Cons?
I'm not sure what the owners would do seeing a bunch of free trials not wanting to pay for an undeveloped server that they actually like staying on.
Shutting down something that good only tells more about them though..

Now the ones who don't agree can debate about it, and I could care less. I am willing to try and help. Problem is... it all starts with programmers...

PhilSmith · #2 04-10-2011, 07:58 AM

Very interesting idea. Im interested more in the format of this server? How would you enter 'arcade' games, what would the levels be like, and would anyone be granted access to the levels on your proposed server?

Devil_Lord2 · #3 04-10-2011, 08:06 AM

So far I can only think of 8 main levels.. well outside levels, two buildings, or maybe different buildings depending the games..

First, I thought about a building for the games, and a building for tournament.. but lets say there is Pool.. could be a pool building.. possibly with the amount of players in it listed in say2. Other then the main part of the server.. it could be just like testbed.. Developers could work on it, create quests if they want.. make levels, show off their talent... but the main thing would be the games that are replayable and are multiplayer.. Unsure how you could do something like monopoly.. but I am sure there is a way.. just recreate games... alter the rules slightly and name it something else.. Generic brands... if there is a problem with created branded games.

other then that.. A fun server.. :]

Players wouldn't have to worry about becoming staff.. we could give them plots of land they can work on, and only allow their online editor to work on those levels.. If they are good, the incentive would be to attache them to the game zone as long as they are active. :]

There will be players who as they say 'troll' and may want to destroy the levels which would be why we give them access to plots..

PhilSmith · #4 04-10-2011, 08:12 AM

I like the ideas up until the "use the rest like testbed".

Trust me, I'm all for getting the best possible use out of your server, so, I agree with the creation of levels. Heck, that could be a game in itself. But as for just hiring staff, If your point is to have a "chill zone", as soon as the server is up, having a minimal amount of staff would be most benificial (Just a few moderaters, and 2 dev people would be sufficient)

Devil_Lord2 · #5 04-10-2011, 08:24 AM

The real staff needed are NATs and GATs... technically GATs don't need to have RC..
However seeing the server would not be my own.. I don't really have say in who is staff or not. But I will definitely do what I can for the server. Being a classic account, I can only work on testbed with my scripts, ganis, and images for them.

I agree there shouldn't be a lot of staff, but if someone wants to donate a weapon, or neat things to the server we could have betting on games "Which I hope you can watch others play" and ways to make money.. however getting items and making money would not be the point.. I would think more moderators though.. if the population does happen to get big, we may need some people for different languages, and some people for different time zones.. Not everyone plays every day too.. However I can't think of there being much to moderate lol

The players with level editor would not need RC though... or staff boots.
Could possibly need an unstick me weapon for those new people who do not know about the worded commands. Some players may trap people in.

:[

But useing the rest like testbed.. I meant mainly LATs.. give players a few levels, see what they do, if they are good give them a few more.. next thing you know you'll have... a bunch of random good levels that we won't really care about.

But they have a place to LAT and the server will have a decent place to explore..

Players will tell others to get on and check out their levels.. more people will get on.. possibly try to compete or teach others.. it is kind of open-source-like?

PhilSmith · #6 04-10-2011, 08:30 AM

You really have 2 pretty good ideas kinda coming together. I like open-source and teaching (which is why i like testbed), and i like your competition games idea, but putting them together the way you have worded makes it seem like a mash-up server, with "Everything graal loves!". If you were to implement the level editing idea, I would hope that there would be a better idea for implementation.

Perhaps someone else here on the forum has a good idea.

Shards-Of-Fate · #7 04-10-2011, 08:36 AM

I like it, Sadly I'm hesitant, I'd like to see more interest in the idea first.

Devil_Lord2 · #8 04-10-2011, 08:36 AM

Nope, just giving them plots around the 8? main levels that would be untouched. Other then that I don't think staff should mind what the players build around it as long as it is not offensive, and if the levels are better in some areas, they should be moved near the main 8?.

Other then Games and our 8 level world, the rest outside is basically all them.. we wouldn't have to focus on it except content they may spell out in tiles.

Since the main thing is Games, and the few levels that are needed to have games.. Why not let people do what they want outside the 'main' zone. :] Think of it like UNs apartments I guess..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shards-Of-Fate

I like it, Sadly I'm hesitant, I'd like to see more interest in the idea first.

I agree, I'd like to see more interest in it too. ;]
I am glad you like it. Anyway, again I don't have a server, but if someone wants to do this I will be more then happy to devote myself to it.

Mauls and TD's them selves would bring in a lot of people if done..
Card games shouldn't be too hard to make.. It really doesn't sound like it is going to be much to make a server to do a few of these games..

I think even I could create blackjack.. vs computers >.>;

It wouldn't take long to develop I would think.. But it could be ongoing ... depending the content put up.. Games should be the main focus, people having fun, re-playability, and multiplayer. All the outside levels PK zones... We could have a spar zone, that again, we wouldn't worry about. Kind of like ... it's there, they can do it, it's done with.

Again, games being the main priority and NATs would be the basics of the server.

PhilSmith · #9 04-10-2011, 08:48 AM

Your UN apartments thing is good... i guess. I was just saying that if this was a game server, why not make it a "game" to build levels, and have a featured level or map or something every so often. Also, it could sorta be expanded to an events server also. Kinda like a centralized location for activities. An "Activities" server

Devil_Lord2 · #10 04-10-2011, 08:56 AM

I like the featured level / map idea. :]
Games are basically activities aren't they o.o?

We would have to think more on the events.. I'd like it to be able to work without events, and if it gets good later on implement that.. if we had events at the start, it is only another thing someone wants to be staff for lol..

--EDIT--
Again, implemented later one, things like foot ball, swimming, bowling, games could be made, ganis are basically no problem, but not the focus currently.

Anyway, I am going to sleep. I really hope this sparks an interest in many people. Again, I'd love to start on it, and could make 3D images for the game pieces, depending what they are it shouldn't be too hard. "Kind of losing my mouse it is so old though.."

Anyway, I suggest at least trying if someone is willing to donate a server and rename it something towards gaming like Game Zone or something. Credit the people who help having their name on things and such.. lets say they buy a deck of cards at the shop or w/e, cards made by.. scripted by.. such.. give acknowledgement in who did what.

I'm not saying I'm the best GFX person lol, I even hate working with pixels. But I do have an AA's degree in it, and I don't mind trying.
Example:

And no I probably will not try something as complicated as this was :3
it was just a 2-3 week project of my self. :c

salesman · #11 04-10-2011, 07:39 PM

I'm going to have nightmares

fowlplay4 · #12 04-10-2011, 08:15 PM

Sounds like this server... http://www.graalonline.com/skills/ that mainly had a 0 player-count for years.

Galdor · #13 04-10-2011, 08:16 PM

lolz xD

Devil_Lord2 · #14 04-10-2011, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Sounds like this server... http://www.graalonline.com/skills/ that mainly had a 0 player-count for years.

It doesn't really sound like a server.. I recall playing it when it was only bomberman but I thought I played it on a web-browser sometime after 2000..
I liked it but I wouldn't go out of my way to play on something like that lol.. No virtual avatars or anything :X

Being on the actual serverlist, having the graal type walking, talking, social networking type, I believe it would be that much better. :]

The games would take place in levels that you would have to walk to.. not 'assuming I am right about the browser thing' just clicking something and playing with people you don't know..

If this starts, would you be willing to help out slightly? ^.^?
Give it a go and see where it takes us?

Quote:

Originally Posted by salesman

I'm going to have nightmares

You aren't the only one who has said this..
Should have seen my messed up version.. tried to move a vertex and POW the head warped and the vertex was way up.. it looked crazy and creepy.. I have no clue what happened.. LOL

-Edit-
Anyway, so far no luck :'[

Devil_Lord2 · #15 04-12-2011, 07:05 AM

Well it isn't letting me edit my message, and I want to show progress on the server so far..

This is what I have for Blackjack.

Kind of upset that it wont take my array numbers.. :[
So I only have shuffling really working.

We also have a server.
I am the only NAT, and beginner at that. :C

PHP Code:


			
findplayer("Devil_Lord2").addweapon(this.name);
//#CLIENTSIDE
function onCreated(){
  thiso.cardAmount = {
    {0,0},{42,0},"4H","5H","6H","7H","8H","9H","10H",
    "Jack H","Queen H","King H","Ace H",
  
    "2S","3S","4S","5S","6S","7S","8S","9S","10S",
    "Jack S","Queen S","King S","Ace S",
  
    "2D","3D","4D","5D","6D","7D","8D","9D","10D",
    "Jack D","Queen D","King D","Ace D",
    
        "2C","3C","4C","5C","6C","7C","8C","9C","10C",
    "Jack C","Queen C","King C","Ace C"
  };
  player.chat = this.cardAmount[1][0] SPC this.cardAmount[1][1];
  this.cardDeck = {
    0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,
    0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,
    0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,
    0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,
    0,0,0,0
  };
  this.playerCheck  = 0;
  this.playerAmount = {
    {-1,0,0,0,0,0},
    {-1,0,0,0,0,0},
    {-1,0,0,0,0,0},
    {-1,0,0,0,0,0}
  };
  new GuiShowImgCtrl("DavidKBJ_CardP1-1") {
      position = "7,25";
      image = "dkcards.png";
      partw = 41;
      parth = 52;
      partx = this.cardAmount[1][0];
      party = this.cardAmount[1][1];
  }
      
}

function DavidKBJ_Computers1.onAction(){
  DavidKBlackJack_System.extent = {270, 300};
  this.playerCheck = 1;
  cardShuffle();
  DavidKBJ_Computers1.hide();
  DavidKBJ_Computers2.hide();
  DavidKBJ_Computers3.hide();
}

function DavidKBJ_Computers1.onAction(){
  DavidKBlackJack_System.extent = {270, 300};
  this.playerCheck = 2;
    cardShuffle();
  DavidKBJ_Computers1.hide();
  DavidKBJ_Computers2.hide();
  DavidKBJ_Computers3.hide();
}

function DavidKBJ_Computers1.onAction(){
  DavidKBlackJack_System.extent = {270, 300};
  this.playerCheck = 3;
    cardShuffle();
  DavidKBJ_Computers1.hide();
  DavidKBJ_Computers2.hide();
  DavidKBJ_Computers3.hide();
}


function onWeaponFired(){

  new GuiWindowCtrl("DavidKBlackJack_System") {
      position = {screenwidth/2-135,screenheight/2-150};
      extent   = "270, 75";
      text     = "       BlackJack";
      canClose = false;
      new GuiButtonCtrl("DavidKBJ_Computers1") {
        position = "10, 27";
        extent = "80, 40";
        text = "1 Computer";
      }
      new GuiButtonCtrl("DavidKBJ_Computers2") {
        position = "95, 27";
        extent = "80, 40";
        text = "2 Computer";
      }
      new GuiButtonCtrl("DavidKBJ_Computers3") {
        position = "180, 27";
        extent = "80, 40";
        text = "3 Computer";
      }
    
    
    new GuiShowImgCtrl("DavidKBJ_CardP1-1") {
      position = "7,25";
      image = "dkcards.png";
      partw = 41;
      parth = 52;
      partx = this.cardAmount[1][0];
      party = this.cardAmount[1][1];
    }
  }
}

function cardShuffle(){
this.cardShuffle = {
    0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,
    0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,
    0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,
    0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,
    0,0,0,0
  };
  for (i=0;i<54;i++){
    player.chat = this.cardShuffle[this.card]@" and "@ this.card;
    this.card = int(random(1,54));  
    if (this.cardShuffle[this.card] != 0){
      while (this.cardShuffle[this.card] != 0){    
        this.card = int(random(1,54));     
      }
    } 
    this.cardShuffle[this.card] = 1;
    this.cardDeck[i] = this.cardAmount[this.card];
  }
}


function cardCheck(){
  
}

papajchris · #16 04-12-2011, 05:20 PM

It's an interesting idea. So long as you can maintain a community, i could see this being a fun server. However, you would need to make sure games are running 24/7 and you need to find a purpose to playing the server. On Era, if i work hard, i can join a gang and get awesome weapons. What do i get on this server? I want to be able to brag to others essentially.

fowlplay4 · #17 04-12-2011, 07:30 PM

I'd rather play polished flash multiplayer card games instead of Graal scripted ones. If I was going to gamble I would want to do it on and with Era/Zodiac money not some small 'Games Hub' with no benefit other than Wins++ or something like that.

Devil_Lord2 · #18 04-12-2011, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papajchris

It's an interesting idea. So long as you can maintain a community, i could see this being a fun server. However, you would need to make sure games are running 24/7 and you need to find a purpose to playing the server. On Era, if i work hard, i can join a gang and get awesome weapons. What do i get on this server? I want to be able to brag to others essentially.

Well, usually when I play games, like I use to play Warcraft3 TD's Mauls and such, or Super Smash Brothers... there were no real reason to win... or to play the game besides the fact the games were fun.. As listen in earlier posts, some NATs may want to donate scripts which could be used as winnings.. but this isn't really the point of the server.. it is suppose to be games.. If someone created Pool, I would probably play it all day because I love playing pool.. get it?

I think achievements would be a good idea, but money can be implemented in the future, but currently has no purpose.

-EDIT-
Also, people would play games their selves, and they wouldn't really have to be run.. but the staff would have to play and get on too, no one will keep coming if there is no one on to play. ^.^;

So, I'd be on playing with people when I can

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I'd rather play polished flash multiplayer card games instead of Graal scripted ones. If I was going to gamble I would want to do it on and with Era/Zodiac money not some small 'Games Hub' with no benefit other than Wins++ or something like that.

Well, these won't be flash D:
I'm thinking more like Classics card game system, if we could even get that far. And the gambling isn't really on all games.. I suppose someone could gamble on poker, blackjack, but things like checkers, tic tac toe, chess and such would be a little odd.. Yahtzee would be neat.. but the server would be about games.. not exactly money or gambling... The point would be more to have fun.. that kind of stuff would be implemented later.. I'd think it would be cool to have a gift shop or something but not until a lot of games are done.. And seeing no NATs want to come forth and help yet, and I can't even get an image black jack to work... could be hard. ^.^

We do however have a server for now, and I am currently the only person doing anything which isn't much since we really only need NAT's and I am not a good one. :3

If Blue would message me, I could probably create the few outside or one outside level for now though..

Again, we are accepting programming help from anyone.
wink wink :]

swimdude · #19 04-13-2011, 03:28 AM

Sorry 2 say but graal will NEVER die unless it closes.
People are addicted so it really dont matter how dead it is .

Devil_Lord2 · #20 04-13-2011, 07:07 AM

Dead is rarely getting new people imo..
iPod is not dead.. Graal gets trials who quit because they don't know what to do.. on special occasions some people deceived into paying for an account.

Anyway, back on topic, I edited the game a little bit, decided to make all the cards and just make them hide. The X and Y can hide and show.. so now I just need to fix it up like it is playing. :]

-EDIT-

Well I'm glad I saved part of the script. I actually deleted some of it and needed see the old one and remember it lol.. Anyway I have the sorting system down, shuffling down, and the depending on if the player picks 1,2 or 3 computers down.. so the two cards at the start are almost done.. I just need to work on having the cards show and go to the correct spot.. hopefully that will be done tomorrow.. if not more. :]

Currently:

Blues server,

Owner: Blue
Manager: David K?

Helping when they have time: Phil

If I am the only NAT, the games won't get very far.. I don't even know how I can make it multiplayer. Thor said it would be pretty complex and client > server > client.. but I don't really know what to do with that.. I may have it so you have to be sitting at the table but idk.. even like that it sounds hard.

If you'd like to help out or join and are a NAT and can think of and create games, please let me know.

Hiro · #21 04-13-2011, 06:36 PM

why is this thread in the opinion section when it's turned into a "server update" thread?

Devil_Lord2 · #22 04-13-2011, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiro

why is this thread in the opinion section when it's turned into a "server update" thread?

Because there was no server.. it was an opinion of something that should happen.. And in my opinion, I still feel it should happen.

Someone has let me use their server.. and I am trying to make a Black Jack game.. but with only a server and my self.. It isn't happening. :c

I have not touched the server yet, and I have no need to until there is more people to help contribute to the idea. As far as it is concerned, this state is still an idea. :'[

If you can program I'd love it if you could help out should you want to.
Again, so far it is only myself and Testbed, and I am only a beginner NAT.

-EDIT-
The server isn't Testbed, but I cannot use RC elsewhere so I work on Testbed.
The server is blue something lol.. You can just type in blue, but you won't see anything towards the game idea; only the remnants of the old server idea.

-Second Edit-
Compy has, thankfully, informed me that my cards have a 1 in them.. and an ace lol.. this is why I shouldn't be the only NAT. ;]

I feel stupid and embarrassed I forgot how a deck of cards look as I was creating the image. Taking the line of 1's out lmao

-Third Edit-
Tomorrow I hope to have this thread deleted, and a new one inside the new server thread.

I have a lot of GFX work tomorrow, moreso I need to first create a new movement system. Looks like I will be hiring GATs "Only for Ganis" LATs and Definitely NATs after all.

Depending what Blue says, I may just make the server visually 3D for the most part. Going to create one avatar as well until the server progresses and we are required more.

Should the project fail.. I'll still have all my graphics. :]

Unless I get a reply, consider this my last post in this thread.

Devil_Lord2 · #23 04-15-2011, 08:54 PM

I'd like this thread deleted please, I hope to have some visuals for the new thread I will be posting later under server hiring.

I believe it has moved out of an idea / opinion.. still only being worked on by myself but... >.>