Ruins: Hirings! - Page 5

Soala · #**161** 11-02-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by N01ze

-Nickname: N01ze
-Age: 13
-Position you're applying for: Story Teller
-Experience on other servers: I've been LATs and things on other servers but never a story teller. I do write a lot of fiction stories though :O
-Examples of your work: I could edit the post with an example or you could give me an assignment and I could make you an entire quest storyline as an application

You could eventualy read the first page so you can see that I want applications to be sent by forum pm or in a mail.

Secondly, you could read the last page to know that Ruins is dead right now and I don't plan on continuing it even if some people offered me servers to host it on.

scooter123 · #**162** 11-02-2010, 11:11 PM

What a shame. Everyone always disappoints me, oh well. I got my hopes up for nothing.

Soala · #**163** 11-02-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter123

What a shame. Everyone always disappoints me, oh well. I got my hopes up for nothing.

Can't really blame me though.

fowlplay4 · #**164** 11-02-2010, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Soala

Can't really blame me though.

Your inability to fund the server is more than enough reason to blame you though.

salesman · #**165** 11-02-2010, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Soala

I don't plan on continuing it even if some people offered me servers to host it on.

Why wouldn't you accept help? Sounds like you're just using this as an excuse to give up...quitter.

I understand that you might not want to upload your work on someone else's server, but if you really wanted to keep the project alive, you could easily continue working offline until you're able to buy more server-time. Levels, graphics, animations, and concepts can all be done without a server (and if Testbed ever comes back, you can test scripts out there).

Soala · #**166** 11-02-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Your inability to fund the server is more than enough reason to blame you though.

Oh yeah and paying for my studies in a private school to ensure myself a bright future isn't a good enough reason? It will always be my priority though.

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Originally Posted by salesman

Why wouldn't you accept help? Sounds like you're just using this as an excuse to give up...quitter.

If I didn't have Ruins as a project, I would have quit quite some months ago. And I already told everyone, I'm not easily giving up. Read below.

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Originally Posted by salesman

I understand that you might not want to upload your work on someone else's server, but if you really wanted to keep the project alive, you could easily continue working offline until you're able to buy more server-time. Levels, graphics, animations, and concepts can all be done without a server (and if Testbed ever comes back, you can test scripts out there).

I would accept help if I could have it on my account while having someone else pay for it. Only one problem, what will the person renting the server for me ask for? Rights? I just don't want to host it somewhere else, and having someone pay for me is just too odd and complex.

I will continue the project offline though, but with testbed offline and me not going to have money to spend around anytime soon, Ruins won't be back online before a long time.

N01ze · #**167** 11-03-2010, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Soala

You could eventualy read the first page so you can see that I want applications to be sent by forum pm or in a mail.

Secondly, you could read the last page to know that Ruins is dead right now and I don't plan on continuing it even if some people offered me servers to host it on.

It would be nice if you would close/delete the thread then.

Soala · #**168** 11-03-2010, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by N01ze

It would be nice if you would close/delete the thread then.

No.

ffcmike · #**169** 11-03-2010, 01:32 AM

While I sympathise for the loss of something that has undoubtedly received alot of effort towards it having done a large part towards a set of Core Systems myself it does amaze me how servers that are at some point deemed "a matter of weeks away from Classic/Gold tab" never quite make that jump up over the following months until they're abandoned

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To anybody reading this and thinking "I'm going to make a server and it's going to be special", there is an unfathomable amount of work required for it to become a reality and that's even if you do have scripting prowess which ofcourse is very difficult to find.

From what I remember the last server to make the breakthrough to the Classic Tab which was Zodiac (over 4 years ago now) had been worked on for atleast 14 months possibly more until it did, even with Classic it's been about the same amount of time since we wiped and began rebuilding it, while still progressing it's by no means a guarantee it will make the breakthrough certainly any time soon.

Fulg0reSama · #**170** 11-03-2010, 02:01 AM

Personally as much effort was placed into Ruins, I think that the lack of scripting ability was their biggest downfall of all. They still had quite a lot but all of this time they've had for it has been done squeezed the most they could out of the current scripting resources at hand. But to me It's really sad because this server had humongous potential. I would actually be rather happy to play on it if it just had normal run around quests (Not too far off from iPhone classic beginnings) and with that being said, I really hope "a long time" is not long enough to wither away the hope and possibility of this server entirely.

Rufus · #**171** 11-03-2010, 03:06 AM

It'll come back with a new name and different management just like the other 3 times. Looking forward to it.

MattKan · #**172** 11-03-2010, 10:54 PM

Soala, you could probably find some empty server to host your stuff on. I know of people who have servers in subscription serving no purpose, and I'm sure at least of one of them would be willing to host Ruins.

Soala · #**173** 11-03-2010, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MattKan

Soala, you could probably find some empty server to host your stuff on. I know of people who have servers in subscription serving no purpose, and I'm sure at least of one of them would be willing to host Ruins.

Read above, I said I wanted Ruins to be hosted on MY account, nowhere else.

zephirot · #**174** 11-03-2010, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Soala

Read above, I said I wanted Ruins to be hosted on MY account, nowhere else.

You are so ****ing stupid it's unbelievable, quit whining for free gold which you will never get and accept help from other players other you dumb****

Cubical · #**175** 11-04-2010, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by zephirot

You are so ****ing stupid it's unbelievable, quit whining for free gold which you will never get and accept help from other players other you dumb****

Don't be so sure, Zero(zokemon) got some help for Atexia which was awesome. However he was an extremely talented scripter.

Soala · #**176** 11-04-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by zephirot

You are so ****ing stupid it's unbelievable, quit whining for free gold which you will never get and accept help from other players other you dumb****

Unless someone is willing to send money on my paypal, I will not accept other any other server to be a new home for Ruins.

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Originally Posted by Cubical

Don't be so sure, Zero(zokemon) got some help for Atexia which was awesome. However he was an extremely talented scripter.

If I recall correctly, Elk received some help for Crystia too.

There's also something people are not getting, but I will tell you once more: Ruins IS Crystia, in some way.

The real Crystia, still being another project directed by Elk, is a complete different story, which only a few people know about.

Fulg0reSama · #**177** 11-04-2010, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Soala

The real Crystia, still being another project directed by Elk, is a complete different story, which only a few people know about.

Not anymore

maximus_asinus · #**178** 11-04-2010, 02:26 AM

I wouldn't put my work on another server either, I wouldn't take the chance of someone denying me access to my work and then taking credit for it. You would have to involve the PWA to resolve the issue which could take weeks, and then in the end you don't even want to continue anymore and the server dies. We all know this is a very likely scenario.

xXziroXx · #**179** 11-04-2010, 02:44 AM

I wouldn't put my work on anyone elses server again either, I've done that a couple of times and it always ends up with the "hoster" demanding this and that.

Cubical · #**180** 11-04-2010, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I wouldn't put my work on another server either, I wouldn't take the chance of someone denying me access to my work and then taking credit for it. You would have to involve the PWA to resolve the issue which could take weeks, and then in the end you don't even want to continue anymore and the server dies. We all know this is a very likely scenario.

Not just that, things like conflict of interest or an argument could cause the person to just start deleting stuff. Also you would have to deal with them constantly trying to mold your server how they think it should be.

maximus_asinus · #**181** 11-04-2010, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubical

Not just that, things like conflict of interest or an argument could cause the person to just start deleting stuff. Also you would have to deal with them constantly trying to mold your server how they think it should be.

Yeah, I only touched on the 'why not' briefly but this is also an excellent point. And there is no such thing as a bipartisan server owner. Once you upload it they think they have some sort of power over you and your content.

Cubical · #**182** 11-04-2010, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

Yeah, I only touched on the 'why not' briefly but this is also an excellent point. And there is no such thing as a bipartisan server owner. Once you upload it they think they have some sort of power over you and your content.

I've had it happen a few times, now unless it's a good e-friends server or my own I'll only code in pieces and then save it to my computer which isn't really viable for larger projects.

Switch · #**183** 11-04-2010, 06:28 AM

THIS.
SUCKS.
GENITALS.
/caps

Gothika · #**184** 11-04-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by zephirot

You are so ****ing stupid it's unbelievable

just kidding, but I agree with Soala, I would never let someone else host my work because they will always request something in return.

zephirot · #**185** 11-04-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gothika

just kidding, but I agree with Soala, I would never let someone else host my work because they will always request something in return.

You can't blame me because you lack trustworthy friends.

Imperialistic · #**186** 11-04-2010, 11:03 AM

looool. why, just why?

Soala · #**187** 11-04-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Not anymore

You obviously don't know about it then :P

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Originally Posted by zephirot

You can't blame me because you lack trustworthy friends.

trustw..what?
Can't blame us either, trustworthy friends are somewhat REALLY rare.

And let me tell you again, even if I had someone kind of trustworthy, it would still feel weird to host it somewhere else. Having Ruins hosted on my very own account feels more secure, and I can manage everything I want, only me and Axel. Even if I'd get full rights, I cannot accept the idea of having someone with full rights who's probably not even an experienced developer/manager.

I just want to always be able to control everything. Got a problem? Deal with it, it's not going to change anytime soon.

zephirot · #**188** 11-04-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Soala

You obviously don't know about it then :P

Got a problem? Deal with it, it's not going to change anytime soon.

Poor thing, you obviously must have mistaken me for someone who gives a ****.

Gothika · #**189** 11-04-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by zephirot

Poor thing, you obviously must have mistaken me for someone who gives a ****.

If you don't give a **** then don't come in here with your comments in the first place.

Soala · #**190** 11-04-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by zephirot

Poor thing, you obviously must have mistaken me for someone who gives a ****.

You actually sounded like you cared about Ruins.

Cubical · #**191** 11-04-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zephirot

Poor thing, you obviously must have mistaken me for someone who gives a ****.

Why are you still trolling this thread? postcount++? He was simply asking for someone to send him money via paypal. If nobody wants to then he wont get the cash and if they do they will.

fowlplay4 · #**192** 11-04-2010, 08:55 PM

Pooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooost.

Clockwork · #**193** 11-04-2010, 09:30 PM

inb4 jigga buys and hosts it sometime later.

Felix_Xenophobe · #**194** 11-04-2010, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by clockwork

inb4 jigga buys and hosts it sometime later.

hahahahaha

cyan3 · #**195** 11-04-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork

inb4 jigga buys and hosts it sometime later.

lol this post comes to mind.

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

(^ timeline assumes playerworld actually succeeds, majority of the time they don't)

But in all seriousness, servers fail because they're too hyped to get working on stuff without actually putting all the time that's needed into planning. Really, really good planning can shave a few years off dev time, and possibly save a good server. And I don't mean just a small .txt with little details, I mean fleshed out stuff. Sketched maps of the overworld(and perhaps even settings, along with REASONS for a town, personalities and histories of the NPCs), lots and lots of ideas, concrete plans that bring everything together, and a firm, firm idea of what you want.

If you're talking about classic servers... oh, I dunno honestly. Just something doesn't tick for me to bring me in. If I wanted to play an RPG, I'd go play one of the many better ones out there. Era is too laggy for me(I've played 3D games where lag wasn't that big of an issue for me, being on 56k). Hmm, and others just don't seem to offer much. Maybe some would be nice but they insist on ass-ugly tilesets that burn my retina's and push me away from the server. As for the 'classic-type' servers, they offer no direction. I like exploring, but I hate randomly running around doing mindless things hoping I find a quest, and then finding one only to see it's kill a bunch of baddies or push a million blocks. Then find there's nothing to do with the fullheart I gained because the server is dead.