Own Password of your choice

PowerProNL · #1 10-19-2010, 10:56 PM

Well, We all have a Graal Online choosed password. and I don't like those passwords, I want an own password to enter, why would it be dangerous if you use your own, we have Account Protection on (: so why would we need a Graal Online choosed password

Fulg0reSama · #2 10-19-2010, 11:01 PM

Account Protection isn't fullproof.

If they get your password they can get into your email if same password is used and afterwords can use your email when they log in to allow their computer through thus your account would be officially hijacked.

DustyPorViva · #3 10-19-2010, 11:04 PM

Randomly generated passwords is Graal's idea of security... even though nearly every other single website and game out there doesn't use that kind of security...

ffcmike · #4 10-19-2010, 11:16 PM

If people were able to choose and therefore be able to memorise their passwords less people would be losing access to their accounts and having no choice but to buy a new one, oh wait.

PowerProNL · #5 10-19-2010, 11:21 PM

But if someone lost his email + his password of Graal and he didn't save the password, hmm what would be happened, you will lose ur account.

Own passwords you know what you typed in and most of the peoples (95%) remember their password, when i do Dont save password by accident, I have to go to my email and that will take ages, and hope ill find my password in the assoirtement of my email X_X

Soala · #6 10-19-2010, 11:36 PM

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But if someone lost his email + his password of Graal and he didn't save the password, hmm what would be happened, you will lose ur account.

Own passwords you know what you typed in and most of the peoples (95%) remember their password, when i do Dont save password by accident, I have to go to my email and that will take ages, and hope ill find my password in the assoirtement of my email X_X

Ever heard of "search boxes"?

kia345 · #7 10-20-2010, 12:05 AM

Because having our own passwords would make sense

Zeke_iPhoneGP · #8 10-20-2010, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Randomly generated passwords is Graal's idea of security... even though nearly every other single website and game out there doesn't use that kind of security...

Aye, and once you have entered it enough times, it gets stuck in your head. I never thought I'd memorize it, but I did

kia345 · #9 10-20-2010, 02:07 AM

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Aye, and once you have entered it enough times, it gets stuck in your head. I never thought I'd memorize it, but I did

Or you could just memorize you own password, the one you potentially use for everything anyway

fowlplay4 · #10 10-20-2010, 02:26 AM

In Russia, password chooses you.

TSAdmin · #11 10-20-2010, 03:10 AM

In my experience with people that twisted Bell's or Ibonic's arm until they permitted them use of a custom password in the past (Something I refuse to allow, so don't ask), their account was compromised within weeks. Not pointing out anyone in particular, but I'm certain there are 3 people who are active forum users and will read this thread who I know this has happened to.

That is not to say that I'm against custom passwords, I am all for it if it is made a changeable service on the website, but I certainly do have concern with how much easier it is to guess someone's password based on "What would they typically think of?" and take advantage of that. In my opinion, the current passwords aren't even strong enough. They should include symbols mixed in with the mixed uppercase, lowercase & numerical sequence.

That then draws me to hope that if this ability to change your password were to be implemented, that it would be required to have a "Strong" password.

Fulg0reSama · #12 10-20-2010, 03:15 AM

I don't understand why you're so unwilling to allow a custom password personally. If they change their password that's their decision, why wouldn't you let them?

TSAdmin · #13 10-20-2010, 03:28 AM

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I don't understand why you're so unwilling to allow a custom password personally. If they change their password that's their decision, why wouldn't you let them?

If it's not a service provided by Graal (to choose custom passwords), then it's not a procedure that should be undertaken. And as I mentioned, I have my own concerns surrounding people being permitted their own password unless it is a function they can handle themselves through the website.

Fulg0reSama · #14 10-20-2010, 03:34 AM

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If it's not a service provided by Graal (to choose custom passwords), then it's not a procedure that should be undertaken. And as I mentioned, I have my own concerns surrounding people being permitted their own password unless it is a function they can handle themselves through the website.

In short because the site doesn't provide the service themselves you hide behind that one factor. Gotcha'. But don't they provide it as long as you provide a transaction ID or did they remove that?

TSAdmin · #15 10-20-2010, 03:40 AM

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In short because the site doesn't provide the service themselves you hide behind that one factor.

Perhaps you should read again. That's not all I said.

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Gotcha'. But don't they provide it as long as you provide a transaction ID

No

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did they remove that?

Pretty safe to assume so, at least within the last couple of years. Sounds like an Ibonic thing.

Fulg0reSama · #16 10-20-2010, 03:43 AM

Okay than allow me to state what I understand from what you said.

If it is not a service provided by the Graal website, than by your decision you will not help because of some "concerns". We're glad you're showing you care about other peoples accounts but don't you think that players should have the choice to change their accounts password? It's as simple as changing the lock on your apartment's door.

TSAdmin · #17 10-20-2010, 03:47 AM

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Okay than allow me to state what I understand from what you said.

If it is not a service provided by the Graal website, than by your decision you will not help because of some "concerns". We're glad you're showing you care about other peoples accounts but don't you think that players should have the choice to change their accounts password? It's as simple as changing the lock on your apartment's door.

I think the only way players should have a choice is, as I have already said (Again, please read what I said before replying), if it is implemented as a service the player can access themselves. At this time, if we were to allow such a thing as allowing custom passwords to anyone who contacts us with a transaction receipt, they'd have to tell at least one other person what their new password is: The person doing it for them. We have a statement on EVERY e-mail sent out through the automated service that says something to the effect of (It does vary in words, so just get the idea):

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"Do not give out your password to anybody. GraalOnline staff will never ask you for your password."

and setting someone's custom password, thereby knowing what it is, impeaches the global administration.

kia345 · #18 10-20-2010, 03:53 AM

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and setting someone's custom password, thereby knowing what it is, impeaches the global administration.

No, because they're not asking for it. If I post my password right now, your logic would get you fired!

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In my experience with people that twisted Bell's or Ibonic's arm until they permitted them use of a custom password in the past (Something I refuse to allow, so don't ask), their account was compromised within weeks.

Yeah, Graal's support center would get leaked every other day too. Like anyone related to Graal's administration has any right to talk about security.

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That then draws me to hope that if this ability to change your password were to be implemented, that it would be required to have a "Strong" password.

That's stupid.

If someone is confident with "password" as their password, it's their information and their account, so let them do with it what they want. I personally get upset by hotmail telling me my social security number and license plate number put together is "medium". I don't care what they think of my password, it's my account, back off.

Crono · #19 10-20-2010, 03:54 AM

hey guys other games and just about any other website/service doesn't let you choose your own password because your stupidity is a security threat to yourself

wait what

Fulg0reSama · #20 10-20-2010, 04:04 AM

I just want to know why TSAdmin needs to play Mommy with this business.

DustyPorViva · #21 10-20-2010, 04:12 AM

Saying custom passwords are too easily compromised is a faulty statement. If they are so unreliable, how is pretty much every other website and game using custom passwords reliably?

Seeya · #22 10-20-2010, 04:32 AM

not many other games don't let you choose your account name either.

Fulg0reSama · #23 10-20-2010, 04:33 AM

Are we going to become like MS and have PINs for logging in accounts?

TSAdmin · #24 10-20-2010, 07:02 AM

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Are we going to become like MS and have PINs for logging in accounts?

I'd be careful with the ideas you throw around, especially if they're sarcastic. We've all seen how that can turn out.

To the reply about "TSAdmin playing mummy", though I'd prefer "daddy", I'm only an enforcer of what exists. There is only so far my authority can stretch to change things the players desire. This is not one of those things I can change and can only stick to enforcing. I feel the need to "play daddy" mainly because barely anybody else has the balls to. And yes, I won't hide the fact that I mean Stefan and Unixmad when it comes to stating that. But the fact of the matter is, the ball for changing things like this is in their corner of this court. I just stand out in front waiting for them to pass it to me and/or my team which only occurs when they've done something we can work with.

kia345 · #25 10-20-2010, 07:07 AM

So what I get out of this is, you're talking out of your ass on behalf of them.

Obviously your team doesn't have their head in the game, and you're flailing your arms around like an idiot when they don't even know where the ball is.
Yeah, I can make stupid analogies too. I bet I'm better at it.

Maybe you could be productive, and rather than throw out terrible defenses for the sake of people who don't care, you could agree with the obvious logical and good decisions made here and forward it to the people with authority, considering they're less likely to ignore your pleas than ours.

Fulg0reSama · #26 10-20-2010, 07:12 AM

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I'd be careful with the ideas you throw around, especially if they're sarcastic. We've all seen how that can turn out.

My idea wouldn't be taken for about three reasons.

1. Total Negative choice to be made If they wish to keep their players in any way.

2. It would fall under "Unnecessary work to be made."

3. The players would utterly reject having such a feature put in place.

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To the reply about "TSAdmin playing mummy", though I'd prefer "daddy", I'm only an enforcer of what exists. There is only so far my authority can stretch to change things the players desire. This is not one of those things I can change and can only stick to enforcing. I feel the need to "play daddy" mainly because barely anybody else has the balls to. And yes, I won't hide the fact that I mean Stefan and Unixmad when it comes to stating that. But the fact of the matter is, the ball for changing things like this is in their corner of this court. I just stand out in front waiting for them to pass it to me and/or my team which only occurs when they've done something we can work with.

Thanks for being honest about the situation. So we can safely assume unless Stefan makes a call about this being available or not then there is nothing more to talk about right? you claim you have the balls to be "daddy" about this yet when It comes to the actual problem being approached you'd rather stay in the dark being the secretary telling us to wait for an appointment to get things done. Isn't it your job to be the bridge between the players and the big boys along with being administration?

Crono · #27 10-20-2010, 08:16 AM

guys u cant make ur own passwords, it never works. havent you seen the internet and irl banks??

Crono · #28 10-20-2010, 08:17 AM

like seriously making ur own passwords and codes no1 does it just look around u blind

Fulg0reSama · #29 10-20-2010, 08:22 AM

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guys u cant make ur own passwords, it never works. havent you seen the internet and irl banks??

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like seriously making ur own passwords and codes no1 does it just look around u blind

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hey guys other games and just about any other website/service doesn't let you choose your own password because your stupidity is a security threat to yourself

wait what

usoright

TSAdmin · #30 10-20-2010, 08:46 AM

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you claim you have the balls to be "daddy" about this yet when It comes to the actual problem being approached you'd rather stay in the dark being the secretary telling us to wait for an appointment to get things done. Isn't it your job to be the bridge between the players and the big boys along with being administration?

We as the PWA have pitched a LOT of ideas (simple and otherwise) to Stefan of our own, as well as enforced our backing on ideas the players have pitched. Tig went out of his way looking for new support software/services. I, and the team together, have suggested many times that such things as player-controlled e-mail changes, security questions, alternate e-mail addresses and much much more be left at the fingertips of players themselves. So trust me, there is nothing "dark" about where I stay when topics such as this are brought up. I just don't think a single one of you understand (or even try to) and when any one of us tries to explain it, we are faced with ignorance a lot of the time because it really is true that people don't tend to care how it happens or who the blame should fall on when something doesn't happen, they just care if someone is listening; regardless of whether it's the right person or not, or if that person has already done all they can do to help.

I fully support people being able to choose their own password, and I have stated that already, obviously to the deaf ears of the previous readers and responders who choose to blindly shoot at anything they think they can hit everytime I speak. Try taking a step back and rather than trying to explode every word someone of authority speaks, make an effort to understand it just as we make an effort to try and understand you. We've been where you are and are only in our positions because we cared to try and make a difference only to be stonewalled half the time.

Deas_Voice · #31 10-20-2010, 10:26 AM

just a question, how many in this thread have their password customized?
i know i do, but it is based on my previous password, due the wikileak.(<-what?)

Fulg0reSama · #32 10-20-2010, 12:24 PM

Personally you seem to be a lot of talk but no action to me TSA.

TSAdmin · #33 10-20-2010, 01:07 PM

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Personally you seem to be a lot of talk but no action to me TSA.

Your examples of expected actions include...? Try to keep your mind within the constraints of my rights. I'm sure you know what they are going by how you've been answering.

Fulg0reSama · #34 10-20-2010, 01:15 PM

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Your examples of expected actions include...? Try to keep your mind within the constraints of my rights. I'm sure you know what they are going by how you've been answering.

..? What's to expect if all you do is give me excuses. I do have an idea of your rights and they're not great. I expect you if anything to shrug off anything we've asked and give a pitiful defense because that is all I can expect.

TSAdmin · #35 10-20-2010, 01:16 PM

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..? What's to expect if all you do is give me excuses. I do have an idea of your rights and they're not great. I expect you if anything to shrug off anything we've asked and give a pitiful defense because that is all I can expect.

I notice you've avoided my question.

Fulg0reSama · #36 10-20-2010, 01:26 PM

It'd be a lot easier to answer that if there were any actions you actually had done that I knew of. Just asking have you actually done anything..?

TSAdmin · #37 10-20-2010, 01:31 PM

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It'd be a lot easier to answer that if there were any actions you actually had done that I knew of. Just asking have you actually done anything..?

My job seems like a good thing to have been doing and continue to do. So yeah, I have done quite a lot. Playerworld Administration and Accounts Administration.

Fulg0reSama · #38 10-20-2010, 01:36 PM

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My job seems like a good thing to have been doing and continue to do. So yeah, I have done quite a lot. Playerworld Administration and Accounts Administration.

Okay. Now one more question.

You're the guy to deal with account wise right so I'm going to ask If I asked you right now, Ignore for the moment of your "concerns" that I have my password changed to BlankityBloopBlankBlop, Would you be able to do it?

TSAdmin · #39 10-20-2010, 01:41 PM

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Okay. Now one more question.

You're the guy to deal with account wise right so I'm going to ask If I asked you right now, Ignore for the moment of your "concerns" that I have my password changed to BlankityBloopBlankBlop, Would you be able to do it?

I have the right to edit the "password" field, yes (Though I dont see existing passwords, and characters I enter are listed as ********). But the use of that is for when the automatic e-mail system is malfunctioning, only. So no, I would not set a custom password for you. Aforementioned concerns and the like truthfully aside. I'm a procedure man, and everyone is treated equally. I would say no to you, so I would say no to "Mr Smith" asking for his password to be **1uRkewL._52*_rawr also.

Fulg0reSama · #40 10-20-2010, 01:47 PM

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I have the right to edit the "password" field, yes (Though I dont see existing passwords, and characters I enter are listed as ********). But the use of that is for when the automatic e-mail system is malfunctioning, only. So no, I would not set a custom password for you. Aforementioned concerns and the like truthfully aside. I'm a procedure man, and everyone is treated equally. I would say no to you, so I would say no to "Mr Smith" asking for his password to be **1uRkewL._52*_rawr also.

Okay so you're a blind sheep in a flawed system. Thanks for pointing that out

I'll even make a "proper" situation and let you answer and pray that you're willing to use common sense in your answer. I want you to explain your reason. This statement doesn't matter but I will pretty much make a further judgment on you for account administration because under that title this is practically 101 easy task. I'm trying to help you figure how simple it'd be to actually allow this than rather to ignore it and piss more players off.

Mr. Smith:"HALP HALP MY CLIENT CANT REMEMBURR MY PASSWORD AND DONT HAVE THE EMAIL ANYMORE!!!! CAN YOU CHANGE MY PASSWORD??? HERES THE TRANSACTION ID FROM LIEK AFTER I BOUGHT MY GOLD!!@!@!!@@! PLEASE I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT MY GRAILZ! THERE ARE SO MANY ERA PLAYURS WHO DEPEND ON ME AND SO MANY HATS ON UN WILL BE LAWST!"

-10 more players give similar complaints within a month due to a client bug-

You: ..?

Yes... Mr. Smith is 7 years old.