Discussion: Auction for Dustari

Crimson2005 · #1 10-01-2010, 11:34 PM

Who thinks this is a good idea? I don't if I am honest.

Original thread: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...hp?t=134260687

Crono · #2 10-01-2010, 11:35 PM

pretty lame way to get a high tier item removed from the economy + take over a nation with history

not that i rly care that much, it's gk afterall lol

xXziroXx · #3 10-01-2010, 11:35 PM

It's incredibly stupid. How can you just sell off an entire Kingdom to the highest bidder? That's not solving the problem one bit. You should let the current members of said Kingdom elect a new leader if anything.

Crono · #4 10-01-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

It's incredibly stupid. How can you just sell off an entire Kingdom to the highest bidder? That's not solving the problem one bit. You should let the current members of said Kingdom elect a new leader if anything.

or, you know, roleplay it out since GK has a roleplaying aspect to it...

xXziroXx · #5 10-01-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

or, you know, roleplay it out since GK has a roleplaying aspect to it...

Not like I'd have anything against that, but roleplaying on GK hasn't really been seen for a year or so (properly and in a serverwide scale).

Arch_Angel · #6 10-01-2010, 11:37 PM

Yea, I agree with Ziro on current members. Kind of wrong to 'sell' a kingdom to anybody with any amount of hours and any amount of experience who probably USD'd to get the items in the first place.

And Ziro's and Crono's ideas can be combined. RolePlay an election within the kingdom of current members? **** idk.

Tigairius · #7 10-01-2010, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

pretty lame way to get a high tier item removed from the economy + take over a nation with history

not that i rly care that much, it's gk afterall lol

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

It's incredibly stupid. How can you just sell off an entire Kingdom to the highest bidder? That's not solving the problem one bit. You should let the current members of said Kingdom elect a new leader if anything.

It's interesting that you're posting this, considering neither of you log on GK much at all. However, I'll entertain you for a second.

There is only 2-3 active members of the kingdom and they're all basically the lowest rank. None of them have been active in the kingdom for more than a month. Letting those 2-3 remotely active people vote for a new leader doesn't solve anything anymore than this does.

Felix_Xenophobe · #8 10-01-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

It's incredibly stupid. How can you just sell off an entire Kingdom to the highest bidder? That's not solving the problem one bit. You should let the current member of said Kingdom elect a new leader if anything.

fixed

Arch_Angel · #9 10-01-2010, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

It's interesting that you're posting this, considering neither of you log on GK much at all. However, I'll entertain you for a second.

There is only 2-3 active members of the kingdom and they're all basically the lowest rank. None of them have been active in the kingdom for more than a month. Letting those 2-3 remotely active people vote for a new leader doesn't solve anything anymore than this does.

I'm working towards the activity, been a couple weeks now. Seems me and one other are the only two 'ever' on tag. I forget his name though...

And not trying to say "this bid thing is unfair! blahblah", but I have been talking to Nullify about handing down the leader spot to me so I can rebuild the kingdom. Seeing as I never really had a chance to rule it once I got it, for reasons not to be mentioned here. And he agreed to the plan, once he saw some activity once again from me. Which he has seen. As well as the other PM players.

Crono · #10 10-01-2010, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

It's interesting that you're posting this, considering neither of you log on GK much at all. However, I'll entertain you for a second.

There is only 2-3 active members of the kingdom and they're all basically the lowest rank. None of them have been active in the kingdom for more than a month. Letting those 2-3 remotely active people vote for a new leader doesn't solve anything anymore than this does.

how does any of this detract what i've said in any way?

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Not like I'd have anything against that, but roleplaying on GK hasn't really been seen for a year or so (properly and in a serverwide scale).

2 bad.

JinChill · #11 10-01-2010, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

It's incredibly stupid. How can you just sell off an entire Kingdom to the highest bidder? That's not solving the problem one bit. You should let the current members of said Kingdom elect a new leader if anything.

If you played GK, you'd know there is only 1 Dustari member who is active. And i see how that will work. "HIA GAIS I R NEW KING KTHX"

Tigairius · #12 10-01-2010, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

how does any of this detract what i've said in any way?

I suppose the latter part of what I said doesn't apply to you, it only applies to Ziro. I should have been clearer.

Crono · #13 10-01-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

I suppose the latter part of what I said doesn't apply to you, it only applies to Ziro. I should have been clearer.

the former doesn't either, i'd rather see some kind of serverwide kingdom RP be held than some cheap way to remove top grade items from the economy

if this cant be pulled off then gk must have a lot more issues than i thought

Arch_Angel · #14 10-01-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JinChill

If you played GK, you'd know there is only 1 Dustari member who is active. And i see how that will work. "HIA GAIS I R NEW KING KTHX"

And if your friend got king? Would look something similar like: "HIA GAIS I RNEW ASST CO KING MY FRIND BOT IT WIT HIS ITEMZ KTHX"

Felix_Xenophobe · #15 10-01-2010, 11:48 PM

nobody likes roleplaying

JinChill · #16 10-01-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Arch_Angel

And if your friend got king? Would look something similar like: "HIA GAIS I RNEW ASST CO KING MY FRIND BOT IT WIT HIS ITEMZ KTHX"

I'm not getting Co-King. I'm going to work my way up in the Kingdom like anyone else would. Understand?

xXziroXx · #17 10-01-2010, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

It's interesting that you're posting this, considering neither of you log on GK much at all. However, I'll entertain you for a second.

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Originally Posted by JinChill

If you played GK, you'd know there is only 1 Dustari member who is active. And i see how that will work. "HIA GAIS I R NEW KING KTHX"

You're both right, I don't play GK and I haven't logged on for months. I used to play GK quite a bit though, and despite all it's flaws it's the most playable server out there at the moment in my opinion. I guess being a former player doesn't hold any value in your eyes, but I know quite a lot about the server.

Tigairius · #18 10-01-2010, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

You're both right, I don't play GK and I haven't logged on for months. I used to play GK quite a bit though, and despite all it's flaws it's the most playable server out there at the moment in my opinion. I guess being a former player doesn't hold any value in your eyes, but I know quite a lot about the server.

Being a former player is great and all, but when you come and weigh-in on our current events, people expect you to be updated on them at the very least.

xXziroXx · #19 10-01-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

Being a former player is great and all, but when you come an weigh-in on our current events, people expect you to be updated on them at the very least.

All I said was that I find the method stupid, there's gotta be a better way to go about it - like Crono's idea. I mean, he's right - you're just treating it like a big money sink, or at least that's what it looks like.

EDIT: And if this wasn't stopping me, who knows, I might log on more frequently together with all the other 64-bit Windows 7 users having the same problem.

Arch_Angel · #20 10-01-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JinChill

. I'm going to work my way up in the Kingdom like anyone else would.

Does this not include the guy bidding 8ish high-scale items for the kingdom, with his 77 hours of gameplay. Maybe he has another account? Maybe he bought the items with another form of currency? Idk. Its shady.

Tigairius · #21 10-01-2010, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Arch_Angel

Does this not include the guy bidding 8ish high-scale items for the kingdom, with his 77 hours of gameplay. Maybe he has another account? Maybe he bought the items with another form of currency? Idk. Its shady.

I'm sure if someone has the items to win a bid for a kingdom, they would have enough knowledge about GK to lead a kingdom better than the former leader, regardless of how many hours their specific account has.

xXziroXx · #22 10-01-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

I'm sure if someone has the items to win a bid for a kingdom, they would have enough knowledge about GK to lead a kingdom better than the former leader.

Or they just got them from a friend who quit the game, seen it happen quite often. And check my last spot, I snuck an edit into it.

Tigairius · #23 10-01-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Or they just got them from a friend who quit the game, seen it happen quite often.

Hypothetical: Someone receives several free items from their quitting friend. They bid them all to lead Dustari. To me, this shows more ambition and dedication to Dustari than the former leader ever has, who did absolutely nothing for the kingdom and scarified nothing to receive it.

Arch_Angel · #24 10-02-2010, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

I'm sure if someone has the items to win a bid for a kingdom, they would have enough knowledge about GK to lead a kingdom better than the former leader, regardless of how many hours their specific account has.

No offense, but the knowledge to gain items however he gained the items, doesn't mean he knows a thing about a kingdom, how to run it, or do anything with the commands that come with it. The role in general. He has no path? No idea of where to take it. This is all just my opinion though.

What happened to the leader, or Manager of GK (you) posting asking people why 'they' think they should run the kingdom, what they plan to do, and what their overall goal may be? That's how most of it used to happen. I just am against this whole item bidding thing. Not only cause I'm not even considered in said race, but because I don't want to see the one kingdom I enjoy being in get handed to some complete stranger who knows nothing of Dustari. I can say this because has he shown any loyalty to any kingdom or anything in the game? He has 77 hours and a boat load of items out of no where. I don't know. Go with what you find best.

xXziroXx · #25 10-02-2010, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

Hypothetical: Someone receives several free items from their quitting friend. They bid them all to lead Dustari. To me, this shows more ambition and dedication to Dustari than the former leader did, who did absolutely nothing for the kingdom and scarified nothing to receive it.

I'm not going to argue against that, because you're right - but don't you find it the slightest disrespectful towards the current Kingdom member(s) that are even a little bit active? (my careful examination of this thread tells me there's at least one) Or to what the server used to be? I mean GK was the biggest non-Valikorlia RP server out there to this date, and it should be encouraged to the newer GK players who doesn't seem to care about anything other than running around killing people.

JinChill · #26 10-02-2010, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

I'm not going to argue against that, because you're right - but don't you find it the slightest disrespectful towards the current Kingdom member(s) that are even a little bit active? (my careful examination of this thread tells me there's at least one) Or to what the server used to be? I mean GK was the biggest non-Valikorlia RP server out there to this date, and it should be encouraged to the newer GK players who doesn't seem to care about anything other than running around killing people.

The current members can always of course stay. IF they don't like it, they can leave. Lelantos knows what he's doing and I'm sure will make a great king. If no one likes that, then outbid him. Simple as that.

MajinDragon · #27 10-02-2010, 12:04 AM

Oh great i can discuss this now.

Why this is a bad idea:

- It doesn't solve the root problem and cause of this whole controversial thing. There is absolutely no guarantee that the new King will ever attract the members needed to avoid this sort of problem. The other Kingdoms are fairly sturdy and from what i know of my current Kingdom, no one is likely to flock to an unstable, disgraced (that is what this is doing) Kingdom.

- It leaves a wide stain on a proud Kingdoms history. Forests temporary removal wasn't that damaging at all, anyone with sense would know why it had to go, and anyone with sense now would know that Dustari might also need to go.

- Past, present and current members of Dustari are clearly not in favor of this. This ignores the wishes of the Kingdom completely, how can that be ignored?

Why this is a good idea:

- Potentially, more items would be redistributed into the economy, providing that offers are legitimate.

- It's arguably better than doing nothing

xXziroXx · #28 10-02-2010, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JinChill

The current members can always of course stay. IF they don't like it, they can leave. Lelantos knows what he's doing and I'm sure will make a great king. If no one likes that, then outbid him. Simple as that.

You're missing the arguments point.

JinChill · #29 10-02-2010, 12:12 AM

If you don't play GK, please excuse yourself from this discussion. Thanks.

xXziroXx · #30 10-02-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JinChill

If you don't play GK, please excuse yourself from this discussion. Thanks.

I bet I've played GK a lot more than you have, and if that's the only thing you can come up with, it doesn't look like you have a very strong case -- seems like you're only digging it because of your friend currently leading the bid with a rather insane first bid.

Supaman771 · #31 10-02-2010, 12:22 AM

Haha you're so bad at covering it up, deleting all my legitimate posts gives me more of a reason to go around and make posts aimed at making you look bad. And it obviously works, you're here deleting them before I can even edit them up.

In all seriousness on the topic discussion now...

I personally think the idea is flawed. The only purpose you're giving us in every defense is that the previous leader failed and a new one is needed. But you're not considering the problems that go along with putting up a new leader, especially when that can be just any random person given the whole 'buying a kingdom' scheme.

Majin's pro/con spread is pretty on point so I won't go throwing my own versions of it since it won't prove anything. I'd just like to point out the large amount of controversy and biased that can be applied when doing this with items. Being that no real value is established for any of the items on GK other than the supply and demand system that currently runs its economy. And if it really comes down to the wire it's basically just the staff decision anyway.

I at least hope these items will be given out in some planned skill events rather than raffle and musical chairs however, the economy is broken enough as it is.

Seeya · #32 10-02-2010, 01:28 AM

In the end, we'd rather have it active than inactive whether it's auctioned for the outrageous price or not.

Cubical · #33 10-02-2010, 01:38 AM

It seems like the server isn't active enough to have the current kingdoms. Why not try disabling it until the playercount rises or someone who will be able to actively participate in kingdom events is available. It would possibly make the other kingdoms a bit more active.

nullify · #34 10-02-2010, 01:40 AM

And here I thought Sky was going to dump ZR and take over a kingdom he'd much rather have. Dustari.

BigBear3 · #35 10-02-2010, 02:22 AM

I dumped ZR.

Stephen · #36 10-02-2010, 02:51 AM

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I dumped ZR.

Who hasn't?

BigBear3 · #37 10-02-2010, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Who hasn't?

Sky.

nullify · #38 10-02-2010, 03:58 AM

But if he had the choice, he would.

BigBear3 · #39 10-02-2010, 05:02 AM

He has the choice.

Soala · #40 10-02-2010, 11:29 AM

I personaly don't really support this idea - view this as some future RP on the server, the leading bid comes from someone who is obviously offering ALL his items. What if a war is launched? "Oh hey, can you wait some weeks before I get an actual gear to fight with?"
- on a server view, redistributing the items is a great idea, but how are you going to attract new players with that? And who isn't part of a kingdom already?

This will simply end up with a guy leading Dustari and 1-2 members hardly active IMO. I just hope you have something else in mind to follow up with that Tig.