Stencil buffer.

[12171217]

Why can't we touch the stencil buffer in GS2?

I wanted to do reflection effects for players in water, among many other things..

[Admins]

This can probably be interesting but could you explain a little bit more what you want to do and how?

[12171217]

You would enable writing to the stencil buffer by doing a generic function, like
graphicsEnable(STENCIL_BUFFER);

then, you would, in most cases, clear the stencil buffer before you start using it.
graphicsClear(STENCIL_BUFFER);

Following, since you're in stencil mode, any showimgs, anything that would normally be drawn to the draw buffer is now drawn to the stencil buffer. You set an operation using
setStencilOp(STENCILOP);
and could choose from the following operations:

NPC Code:

---

STENCILOP_KEEP

STENCILOP_ZERO

STENCILOP_REPLACE

STENCILOP_INVERT

STENCILOP_INCR

STENCILOP_DECR

---

Finally, after creating a proper stencil buffer, you could then test against it when drawing images:
stencilTestFunc(STENCILTEST);

NPC Code:

---

STENCILTEST_NEVER

STENCILTEST_LESS

STENCILTEST_LESSEQUAL

STENCILTEST_EQUAL

STENCILTEST_GREATER

STENCILTEST_GREATEREQUAL

STENCILTEST_NOTEQUAL

STENCILTEST_ALWAYS

---

Setting a reference value could just be something like
stencilSetReference(int);

Could be used for tons of stuff.. Parallax scrolling backgrounds, reflections of sky images in water, reflections of players in water.. Tons of very interesting uses if it's put to good use.

If you've ever used the stencil buffer in an OpenGL application, you'd be familiar with how to use it and you'd see a bunch of potentional, too

[12171217]

Not to mention this could be used to clip images against bounding boxes, for minigames and such.. I really ****ing need that, especially since clipping showpolys is slow compared to taking advantage of the stencil buffer.

[12171217]

Bump.

[Dnegel]

This sounds interesting, should do something with it.

[Crono]

u cud use it to fulfil my dream~

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Crono

u cud use it to fulfil my dream~

I've been wanting reflections for so long

Graal needs way more special effects. It can add so much atmosphere!

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Crono

u cud use it to fulfil my dream~

I've always wanted a lake and a fence.

[12171217]

Stencil buffer plz <3

Also, render-to-texture support while we're at it! If I'm not mistaken in the technique you use for certain GUIControls, it's nothing more than adapting your GUIDrawingPanel's.

[MrOmega]

I guessing this would be more efficient than having an extra image/NPC, rotating it, and lowering the alpha?

[Crow]

Originally Posted by MrOmega

I guessing this would be more efficient than having an extra image/NPC, rotating it, and lowering the alpha?

Hell yes!

[smirt362]

Parallax scrolling backgrounds

Hell yes

[MrOmega]

So graal will go from basically Zelda 3 with upgrades to to pretty much the four sword adventures? Effects wise. I vote yes.

[adam]

Would be nice if graal could compete with other 1-man team indie games someday.

[Admins]

To be honest I'm not sure if such things can be added anytime soon. We use it for some of our iPhone games but it's not that easy to expose to script. There are however other things in the works which can also improve Graal graphically in the future.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Stefan

To be honest I'm not sure if such things can be added anytime soon. We use it for some of our iPhone games but it's not that easy to expose to script. There are however other things in the works which can also improve Graal graphically in the future.

Do it! An ETA on v6 wouldn't be bad, either.

[12171217]

Originally Posted by Stefan

To be honest I'm not sure if such things can be added anytime soon. We use it for some of our iPhone games but it's not that easy to expose to script. There are however other things in the works which can also improve Graal graphically in the future.

I've seen the stencil buffer bound to Lua functions and a clientside interpreted language added to Quake, but if you don't feel capable..

Another thing I'd like to see is showimg, minus the layer sorting, depth sorting, and all that. Just draw it directly to the frame buffer as soon as it's called, and forget about it forever once the frame ends; just like blitting an image in SDL or whatever other graphics front. It'd make certain scripts easier to write where you have to manually draw an entire world for, say, an isometric or raycasting script, draw back-to-front, or front-to-back to get certain things looking right, and if I'm not mistaken it'd probably be significantly faster, since the client wouldn't be creating and destroying, sorting depth through tons of image objects.

[smirt362]

Originally Posted by Stefan

To be honest I'm not sure if such things can be added anytime soon. We use it for some of our iPhone games but it's not that easy to expose to script. There are however other things in the works which can also improve Graal graphically in the future.

Please try

[MrOmega]

Originally Posted by Stefan

To be honest I'm not sure if such things can be added anytime soon. We use it for some of our iPhone games but it's not that easy to expose to script. There are however other things in the works which can also improve Graal graphically in the future.

What other things?

[gravator]

Stefan, you make it sound as if the current developers are stuck using the same tools as during 2001 and are just waiting for V6 release, there has to have been some new goodies added to make a really fun and beautiful server, Konidias managed to get some very nice graphics in bomy island so i'm very certain similar quality should be available now instead of the much older tilesets that are still in use on Era, UN and Zodiac or many of the hosted and under construction servers.

Combining Koni level work with Gonstruct would make one impressive and very professional looking server.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by gravator

Stefan, you make it sound as if the current developers are stuck using the same tools as during 2001 and are just waiting for V6 release, there has to have been some new goodies added to make a really fun and beautiful server, Konidias managed to get some very nice graphics in bomy island so i'm very certain similar quality should be available now instead of the much older tilesets that are still in use on Era, UN and Zodiac or many of the hosted and under construction servers.

Combining Koni level work with Gonstruct would make one impressive and very professional looking server.

But there are limitations... Sure, we've had some advancements in effects like particles and scaling of images and such, but that's about it. There are some more dramatic effects that would make the game look way better... like already mentioned, reflections in the water, screen distortion that you often see in RPGs(think the waves from heat, making the screen slowly flow with waves), the ability to subtract from an image(for lamps like in Minish Cap), the ability to desaturate/color the screen for things like an ol' time effect. All these things would give creative developers an edge to make something that looks that much better.

And Koni's BI didn't really push Graal to its limits.

[MrOmega]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

But there are limitations... Sure, we've had some advancements in effects like particles and scaling of images and such, but that's about it. There are some more dramatic effects that would make the game look way better... like already mentioned, reflections in the water, screen distortion that you often see in RPGs(think the waves from heat, making the screen slowly flow with waves), the ability to subtract from an image(for lamps like in Minish Cap), the ability to desaturate/color the screen for things like an ol' time effect. All these things would give creative developers an edge to make something that looks that much better.

And Koni's BI didn't really push Graal to its limits.

just an oddball idea but couldn't you just set the RGB value of all objects to sepia tone levels for ol' time effect?

[12171217]

Doesn't Graal have a subtractive blending mode?

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

But there are limitations... Sure, we've had some advancements in effects like particles and scaling of images and such, but that's about it. There are some more dramatic effects that would make the game look way better... like already mentioned, reflections in the water, screen distortion that you often see in RPGs(think the waves from heat, making the screen slowly flow with waves), the ability to subtract from an image(for lamps like in Minish Cap), the ability to desaturate/color the screen for things like an ol' time effect. All these things would give creative developers an edge to make something that looks that much better.

And Koni's BI didn't really push Graal to its limits.

With this said, I'd like to add: oh my god I wish you could have images subtract from seteffects and other images.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

With this said, I'd like to add: oh my god I wish you could have images subtract from seteffects and other images.

Stefan actually replied to one of my topics about it and said it's require a new buffer of the sort... and that was it. He didn't sound too enthusiastic about it.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Stefan actually replied to one of my topics about it and said it's require a new buffer of the sort... and that was it. He didn't sound too enthusiastic about it.

That's rather unfortunate. I could have used these effects many times. I know I've brought it up with him personally before too.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by 12171217

Doesn't Graal have a subtractive blending mode?

Mode 2 is subtractive, yes.