Era HP Upgrades

[smirt362]

You could do it to where the more you get hit the more health you build up. Kinda like a "toughening" up sort of thing.

[Donark]

Originally Posted by Tim_Rocks

I like this update, but i also hate it because it's hard for a lagger like myself to actually get kills.

its not like you pk on era... ever. or even better, its not like your on era... ever.

[LordSquirt]

I think we should implement every mining level=1HP for those people who are more business savvy

[Tim_Rocks]

Originally Posted by Donark

its not like you pk on era

because I lag, i'm always pking when i get on a highspeed connection.

Originally Posted by Donark

its not like your on era... ever.

I have a job I'd be on a lot more if I didn't.

[TheJames]

Originally Posted by FantasyX

What stops people from farming kills from trial accounts?

Chris randomly jailing you when you think you can get away with it lol

First hand witness

[TheJames]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

I think we should implement every mining level=1HP for those people who are more business savvy

+1 rep

[Logababy]

Originally Posted by Tim_Rocks

I like this update, but i also hate it because it's hard for a lagger like myself to actually get kills.

No your just a noob.
Jks ily

[Kenshin851]

I hate this update because there isn't 200 people on anymore like it used to be.. half the time people are idling.. if you start shooting someone now they usually run... and I dont feel like killing 20,000 people to get 140 life.. not too many people have even 10,000 kills...

I would be for this update if, it required less kills to get to 140, the kills you have already were implemented so if you had 20k kills already you'd log in with 140.. and most importantly.. if Era was still populated. How the hell are you supposed to kill when no one is on?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Kenshin851

I hate this update because there isn't 200 people on anymore like it used to be..

Era never had a sustained 200 playercount. It was once every while it would peak that high.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by Kenshin851

I hate this update because there isn't 200 people on anymore like it used to be.. half the time people are idling.. if you start shooting someone now they usually run... and I dont feel like killing 20,000 people to get 140 life.. not too many people have even 10,000 kills...

I would be for this update if, it required less kills to get to 140, the kills you have already were implemented so if you had 20k kills already you'd log in with 140.. and most importantly.. if Era was still populated. How the hell are you supposed to kill when no one is on?

You need to change your train of thought.
Seems like most people think that just because they had 140 hp before they NEED to get back to 140 hp again as soon as possible.
Getting 140 hp isn't a short term goal anymore, and in fact you're better off not thinking about it as something that is necessary, and just thinking of it as a small bonus for doing what you're supposed to do. You're barely going to notice the difference from one hp point to the next, but as a long term goal it does make a difference, and so it needs to be thought of in that way.
In the time being if people aren't PKing then they aren't going to have extra health either, so what is the damage?

Deaths haven't changed at all with the health update so the people that are running now probably would have run before anyway. You're never going to kill somebody that doesn't want to be killed badly enough. Seriously, all it takes is for them to run diagonally away from you and unless you can somehow outrun them you're just going to end up wasting time and ammo, and you'll fall further behind with every shot you take.

Chris has said that he'll change it back if it's not successful. But I'd rather see the formula tweaked first. At the moment it's using the sum of square numbers starting at 5, which means the number of kills requires grows exponentially as you progress, but also means that in order to get 130 HP you'll probably only need half as many kills as it takes to get to 140 HP.
Alternatively it could be worth while to make deaths count towards your HP increase as well, even if each death was only 0.5 or 0.33 or so.

P.S. Quests really sucked and I always hated them. They were linear and uninteresting, and the NPCs have always been buggy.

[Frankie]

having quests is awesome but I think you should work on making them more involved rather than run into a room and kill 5 nps, and repeat.

[Venom_Fish]

This hp system is actually neat, and I'm not just saying that because I can now kill faster than ever. It gives people an incentive to PK, and anything that does that... can only help the server.

[Nataxo]

lower the kills

[Logababy]

Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

This hp system is actually neat, and I'm not just saying that because I can now kill faster than ever. It gives people an incentive to PK, and anything that does that... can only help the server.

I'll put a $500 bet that you will get to 140hp before reset.

[Venom_Fish]

Maybe lower the kills for now since this is a test-run, so they have a taste. But keep it large for post-reset

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

Maybe lower the kills for now since this is a test-run, so they have a taste. But keep it large for post-reset

Not sure if all of my math is right, since my total is a bit higher than the 20,000 kills to get to 140 HP that Chris has stated. But you can see the rate of growth here.
It only takes 1000 kills to get the first 10 levels.
Then 4000 more kills for the next ten levels.
By level 30 you need 1000 kills per level.
New players can get from 100 HP to 121 HP in the time it takes older players to get from 137 HP to 140 HP, at which point both players will take 7 hits to kill with a 20 damage gun.

101 HP = 25 kills
102 HP = 61 kill (+36)
103 HP = 110 kills (+49)
104 HP = 174 kills (+64)
105 HP = 255 kills (+81)
106 HP = 355 kills (+100)
107 HP = 476 kills (+121)
108 HP = 620 kills (+144)
109 HP = 789 kills (+169)
110 HP = 985 kills (+196)
111 HP = 1210 kills (+225)
112 HP = 1466 kills (+256)
113 HP = 1755 kills (+289)
114 HP = 2079 kills (+324)
115 HP = 2440 kills (+361)
116 HP = 2840 kills (+400)
117 HP = 3281 kills (+441)
118 HP = 3765 kills (+484)
119 HP = 4294 kills (+529)
120 HP = 4870 kills (+576)
121 HP = 5495 kills (+625)
122 HP = 6171 kills (+676)
123 HP = 6900 kills (+729)
124 HP = 7684 kills (+784)
125 HP = 8525 kills (+841)
126 HP = 9425 kills (+900)
127 HP = 10386 kills (+961)
128 HP = 11410 kills (+1024)
129 HP = 12499 kills (+1089)
130 HP = 13655 kills (+1156)
131 HP = 14880 kills (+1225)
132 HP = 16176 kills (+1296)
133 HP = 17545 kills (+1369)
134 HP = 18989 kills (+1444)
135 HP = 20510 kills (+1521)
136 HP = 22110 kills (+1600)
137 HP = 23791 kills (+1681)
138 HP = 25555 kills (+1764)
139 HP = 27404 kills (+1849)
140 HP = 29340 kills (+1936)

[Arakonda]

It's impossible to farm that amount of kills if you log on once in a while just to pk.

I mean this is a great way to get more players active..

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Arakonda

I mean this is a great way to get more players active..

Not necessarily...

[cbk1994]

I'm not sure if it's a way to make more players active, but it's seeming to be a good way to make current players PK more, which is one of the things it was intended to do.

And Demisis, your figures are spot on. I rounded poorly when I referred to "20k kills" for 140 HP.

[Supaman771]

6000 kills for 7 hits from a majority of guns.
Not so hard, plus this is a long term thing for people to actively pk.
So, 'Less QQ more PewPew

[Arakonda]

Originally Posted by Arakonda

I mean this is a great way to get more players active..

Ever heard of a word called sarcasm?

And really stop talking like it's easy to gain that amount of kills, since we don't all got a fancy MP5 or Bar to lame the **** out of people, like you guys do, if we did then yes it would be something easy to do.

Plus when you're from outside the US you can't even pk with someone without having your screen freezing up every time you fire a ****ing bullet.

In my opinion, (not that anyone cares since I'm just a nobody who once enjoyed playing this game) just change back the old hp system so that players without a fantastic gun that shoots eighty bullets per second can have the same amount of health as someone who does have a fantastic gun. Or just make all those fantastic guns available to everyone by selling them for a reasonable price at a pawn shop.



And thanks for ****ing up those gang events Chris, you're the best Era manger i've ever seen.

And just so you guys will know this time, I'm being sarcastic




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[salesman]

Stop looking at this like you have to get 140HP. The HP system changed, 140HP isn't the standard anymore -- everyone is in the same boat you are in.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Arakonda

And thanks for ****ing up those gang events Chris, you're the best Era manger i've ever seen.

No problem, I'm always happy to hear someone appreciates my work.

(hey, psst, guys.... the above post is sarcasm)

[Arakonda]

Originally Posted by salesman

Stop looking at this like you have to get 140HP. The HP system changed, 140HP isn't the standard anymore -- everyone is in the same boat you are in.

Not really, not since Chris decided to release 20 great guns.

This is my problem there used to be only 5-6 people with a great gun, now there's dozens.

So not everyone is in the same boat as me. That's why i think he should add all guns to a pawn shop for reasonable prices.
So that players who are in the same boat as me can afford a great gun as well.

[Arakonda]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

No problem, I'm always happy to hear someone appreciates my work.

(hey, psst, guys.... the above post is sarcasm)

I thought it would be useful to mention it, since last time i was being sarcastic you didn't understand it.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Arakonda

Not really, not since Chris decided to release 20 great guns.

This is my problem there used to be only 5-6 people with a great gun, now there's dozens.

So not everyone is in the same boat as me. That's why i think he should add all guns to a pawn shop for reasonable prices.
So that players who are in the same boat as me can afford a great gun as well.

Well, I was talking about HP, not guns (see: thread title). The HP system has nothing to do with everyone having better weapons than you. If Chris makes it easier for you to get 140HP, it's going to be easier for the people with lame guns to get 140HP, too.

Don't hate the HP system because you lack pking skills. I am the best pker in the game and I only use the golden uzi.

[Arakonda]

Originally Posted by salesman

Well, I was talking about HP, not guns (see: thread title). The HP system has nothing to do with everyone having better weapons than you. If Chris makes it easier for you to get 140HP, it's going to be easier for the people with lame guns to get 140HP, too.

Don't hate the HP system because you lack pking skills. I am the best pker in the game and I only use the golden uzi.

Lack of skills, really? Are we insulting each other now?

All I'm trying to do is make a point, just by saying is that someone with a MP5 can get to 140 HP way faster than me with my Uzi.

You do understand that a MP5 owns a Uzi any day, not to mention the horrible lag you get when you're living outside the USA.

Yes now your responds will be: "Then why don't you quit"

And my answer to that is: "I simply believe that Era can get better, so for that reason i won't quit."


And to Chris: You are not such a horrible manager (got a little mad, and yes over a game).
I guess you are more a horrible Events hoster.



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[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Arakonda

More a horrible Events hoster.

Then why don't you quit?

[Arakonda]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Then why don't you quit?

Because you are an awesome Manager.

I got more reasons, just ask if you want to know.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Arakonda

Lack of skills, really? Are we insulting each other now?

Originally Posted by Arakonda

All I'm trying to do is make a point, just by saying is that someone with a MP5 can get to 140 HP way faster than me with my Uzi.

And? People with better guns are always going to have an advantage...changing the HP system back to how it was (like you suggested) won't fix that.

I'd also like to add that having a better gun doesn't even mean you'll get more kills. You're not taking into account a lot of things like skill or playing time. The more you play the more kills you will get, the more money you'll make, the better guns you will get, so on, and so forth -- that's how games like this work. A person with an uzi can get more kills than someone with an MP5 by simply pking more often.

[Arakonda]

Originally Posted by salesman

And? People with better guns are always going to have an advantage...changing the HP system back to how it was (like you suggested) won't fix that.

I'd also like to add that having a better gun doesn't even mean you'll get more kills. You're not taking into account a lot of things like skill or playing time. The more you play the more kills you will get, the more money you'll make, the better guns you will get, so on, and so forth -- that's how games like this work. A person with an uzi can get more kills than someone with an MP5 by simply pking more often.

True, but if you were to spent the same amount of time farming kills, you would get more with a MP5 than with an Uzi.

And i used to never have a problem with a few good guns, but now there is dozens of good guns all over one million ED. But now my problem is that there's too much of them, there's just no way for me with an Uzi and a horrible lag to farm kills from people with those guns. They are just to overpowered. Now even with that i could live, but now they can take more hits than me as well.

That is where my problem lays. =/



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[Crono]

Originally Posted by salesman

And? People with better guns are always going to have an advantage...changing the HP system back to how it was (like you suggested) won't fix that.

And that advantage is widened by this new HP system. But nevermind that, Era only caters to the top tier anyway.

[TSAdmin]

To be perfectly frank, it is never about the gun you have. It is always about the number of times you can manage to hit the person without being hit, yourself. Put a gun that does 5 damage into the hands of someone like Sales or Wil Soul, pit them against a person with a gun that does 30 damage and has "lame" spread, and I'd make a serious bet that Sales/Wil would win simply because they are capable of getting more hits in consecutively than someone who feels they need to rely on a "lame gun" to win.

That said, it IS all about the HP, which brings us all back to basically what Sales has been saying.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by Arakonda

Ever heard of a word called sarcasm?

And really stop talking like it's easy to gain that amount of kills, since we don't all got a fancy MP5 or Bar to lame the **** out of people, like you guys do, if we did then yes it would be something easy to do.

Plus when you're from outside the US you can't even pk with someone without having your screen freezing up every time you fire a ****ing bullet.

If you're outside the US you have a lag advantage, I don't know what you mean by screen freezing up, doesn't happen to me.

Tips for getting kills:
1. Play ULMS and Roof PK. (Tons of kills here)
2. Make a party and raid/defend EM base. (Mostly noobs raid here, easy kills)
3. Join a gang and actually raid/defend.
4. Don't try to fight people with MP5s and BARs (15 people out of 3000?).
5. Get more skill.

You should be able to get 6000 kills in about 3 months if you play for a few hours a day and actually try.
An AK is decent enough to stand up against most guns. I used an AK for a few months until I bought my M4 and I didn't really have trouble against people with TGs, DRs, Sten. The only things that messed me up were Shipka and MP5, so I learnt to avoid them.

[Logababy]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Then why don't you quit?

He can't because hes a graalnanian.

[Arakonda]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

If you're outside the US you have a lag advantage, I don't know what you mean by screen freezing up, doesn't happen to me.

Tips for getting kills:
1. Play ULMS and Roof PK. (Tons of kills here)
2. Make a party and raid/defend EM base. (Mostly noobs raid here, easy kills)
3. Join a gang and actually raid/defend.
4. Don't try to fight people with MP5s and BARs (15 people out of 3000?).
5. Get more skill.

You should be able to get 6000 kills in about 3 months if you play for a few hours a day and actually try.
An AK is decent enough to stand up against most guns. I used an AK for a few months until I bought my M4 and I didn't really have trouble against people with TGs, DRs, Sten. The only things that messed me up were Shipka and MP5, so I learnt to avoid them.

Lag is not an advantage when it i myself lag, unlike some of the laggers my screen does lag up.

Now sure Sales and Wil would be able to do that, they have no horrible lag like me.

And yes i know you can farm kill in events, but I'm talking about pking outside on the gmap, where every time you run from gmap level to gmap level i get stuck for a second.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

If you're outside the US you have a lag advantage, I don't know what you mean by screen freezing up, doesn't happen to me.

Originally Posted by Arakonda

Lag is not an advantage when it i myself lag, unlike some of the laggers my screen does lag up.

I think the topic Arakonda is referring to is drops in FPS below 10 (which is when it get's unbearably choppy). This, for the most part, is fixed in V6. In some of the decent betas, even on the GMAP with bullets flying everywhere, FPS wouldn't drop below 18. You, Arakonda, are probably one of the people who will be relieved upon it's release. /V6plug

[Arakonda]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I think the topic Arakonda is referring to is drops in FPS below 10 (which is when it get's unbearably choppy). This, for the most part, is fixed in V6. In some of the decent betas, even on the GMAP with bullets flying everywhere, FPS wouldn't drop below 18. You, Arakonda, are probably one of the people who will be relieved upon it's release. /V6plug

Well, I surely hope so.
I would certainly enjoy playing more with less lag.




And who is Arakonda? I'm Snake?





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[Venom_Fish]

Looking at it from Crono and Arakonda's POV, they have a huge point in bringing up the multitude of these once rare, yet powerful weapons. They've multiplied in an inflatious manner, where the rich simply gained more of them, making them less affordable for the poor.

These auctions are not helping anyone, removing spawned money with this method is only creating problems elsewhere. You're taking away SPAWNED money, and adding SPAWNED weapons. Which throws things off-balance, meaning more money than there is value of weapons. Thats an issue.

Money will be deducted from the economy no matter what, as long as there are expenses. The pace would be slower, but it'd be done... in time.
Whats the hurry?

Now you have a problem with alot of spawned guns and they're increasing. The inflation problem is just getting worse. Its like we traded in one set of woes, for a whole new set

[KrimsonSky]

20k kills for 140 hp seems a tad bit outrageous o.o.....